riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 27, 2016 2:18:27 GMT -5
If Marvel and Fox work out a deal I demand that this is what ultimately combines the forces of X-Men, Avengers, and Fantastic Four.
The amount of fanboy insanity and money that this comic book film would create is just mindblowing to think about.
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Post by Shai on Nov 27, 2016 8:00:37 GMT -5
Doom be kinda a downgrade after Thanos? Doom is never a downgrade, Use one of the many story lines where he becomes god I'm not that familiar with Doom. My FF knowledge consists of 3 shitty movies and a cartoon from the 90's. Never read the comic in my life.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Nov 27, 2016 8:48:18 GMT -5
Doom is never a downgrade, Use one of the many story lines where he becomes god My ideal Doom storyline is the Ultimate Alliance one honestly. I loved that cinematic sequence of him taking down every hero and destroying the drones the government sent. The final mission where you fight Doom and the heroes he turned to his side would make for an ideal action scene in a prospective movie.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 27, 2016 9:22:46 GMT -5
They made movies about The Guardians of the Galaxy and Dr. Strange, so no, they aren't taking it safe. They're digging into their vault quite a bit.
Should the movies be darker? No, they shouldn't be. These are stories about people in brightly colored costumes fighting crimes. They've struck a decent balance between lighthearted and serious, apart from the fact that nearly everyone is extremely quippy (Stephen Strange is just Tony Stark + Magic in his movie, guys). They are formulaic, don't get me wrong. I've been getting worn out of the formula, but it works. You can do fully "serious" or "Dark" super hero tales, but you can't change the tone you've established. You need to set it up from scratch to be an Alan Moore story if that's what you want.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 27, 2016 13:32:41 GMT -5
They made movies about The Guardians of the Galaxy and Dr. Strange, so no, they aren't taking it safe. They're digging into their vault quite a bit. Should the movies be darker? No, they shouldn't be. These are stories about people in brightly colored costumes fighting crimes. They've struck a decent balance between lighthearted and serious, apart from the fact that nearly everyone is extremely quippy (Stephen Strange is just Tony Stark + Magic in his movie, guys). They are formulaic, don't get me wrong. I've been getting worn out of the formula, but it works. You can do fully "serious" or "Dark" super hero tales, but you can't change the tone you've established. You need to set it up from scratch to be an Alan Moore story if that's what you want. Well, I have no issue with Quill, Stark, Strange, and Lang being quippy at all. We all know Parker is quippy anyways. I guess I will they need to stop being so formulaic, become a lot more serious, and have some darker consequences where serious deaths, moments, and where everything is not happy or okay in the end.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 27, 2016 13:34:40 GMT -5
Civil War did not "End happily with everything ok at the end"
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Nov 27, 2016 13:35:30 GMT -5
Civil War did not "End happily with everything ok at the end" That's true, just ask Tony Stank.
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Post by Shai on Nov 27, 2016 13:43:03 GMT -5
Civil War did not "End happily with everything ok at the end" That's true, just ask Tony Stank. Cap didn't exactly come out a winner either...no one did except maybe Zemo...that's the thing about Civil War...the villian kinda won in the end.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Nov 27, 2016 13:48:55 GMT -5
That's true, just ask Tony Stank. Cap didn't exactly come out a winner either...no one did except maybe Zemo...that's the thing about Civil War...the villian kinda won in the end. God Zemo was a great figure. Probably the most complex, substantial, tragic villain so far. His eating the same thing for breakfast, not deleting the last Voicemail from his family, watching his plans come to fruition and still only wanting to kill himself...now THAT is dark.
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Post by Shai on Nov 27, 2016 13:51:49 GMT -5
Cap didn't exactly come out a winner either...no one did except maybe Zemo...that's the thing about Civil War...the villian kinda won in the end. God Zemo was a great figure. Probably the most complex, substantial, tragic villain so far. His eating the same thing for breakfast, not deleting the last Voicemail from his family, watching his plans come to fruition and still only wanting to kill himself...now THAT is dark. Exactly...and Zemo did it he broke the Avengers..in a way Loki and Ultron couldn't. For all the quips Civil War is a DARK freaking movie.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 27, 2016 13:54:06 GMT -5
Civil War did not "End happily with everything ok at the end" I don't know. I found it to be a little too hopeful and happy in my opinion. Of course this is just my opinion on the matter and doesn't mean I am right. I guess what I am looking for in Marvel is a something similar to a Fellowship of The Ring and Two Towers vibe where it's just dark, intense, and even in the end there's still a lot of uncertainty. Pretty good video of fans discussing the question I posed. Disclaimer: Language warning.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Nov 27, 2016 13:57:29 GMT -5
God Zemo was a great figure. Probably the most complex, substantial, tragic villain so far. His eating the same thing for breakfast, not deleting the last Voicemail from his family, watching his plans come to fruition and still only wanting to kill himself...now THAT is dark. Exactly...and Zemo did it he broke the Avengers..in a way Loki and Ultron couldn't. For all the quips Civil War is a DARK freaking movie. Looking back, it's interesting that the Captain America movies have been the darkest, most serious MCU movies. Maybe because Cap is the most grounded character, and so his standalone movies have to be more realistic with less fantastical elements? Even the first Cap movie feature bad guys that were too extreme for the Nazis.
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Post by chrom on Nov 27, 2016 16:26:08 GMT -5
I'll never understand this recent obsession with how everything must be "dark, gritty and filled with nihilism." It'd be like watching Rocky and hoping he gets knocked out in the first minute.
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Post by Stone Cold Eleanor Shellstrop on Nov 27, 2016 19:23:03 GMT -5
I think I'd be a lot more forgiving of the movies were Thanos actually built up well, especially since the MCU is 28+ hours into its journey and the end-all, be-all antagonist for this shared universe has had less than 5 minutes of screen time. And given statements made by people like James Gunn and Taika Waititi, I don't think Thanos is going to have much more screen time before Infinity War, Part I arrives in theatres.
With the exception of the third one, I think most of the Harry Potter movies are pretty forgettable, but one thing that those movies actually did right was making it feel like Voldemort was the bringer of doom to Harry and his friends, such that when Harry finally beats Voldemort in their battle to the death at the end of Deathly Hallows, Part 2, it's genuinely satisfying that the story of the Boy Who Lived and Tom Riddle is over, and in a way that (mostly) makes sense given the films before it. I don't think Phase 3 will capture that same kind of feeling.
In a way, the MCU is watching mortgaging at work: next time will be the end of the story, next time the stakes will be really high, next time the consequences will be dire, next time nothing will ever be the same.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 27, 2016 22:19:42 GMT -5
I think I'd be a lot more forgiving of the movies were Thanos actually built up well, especially since the MCU is 28+ hours into its journey and the end-all, be-all antagonist for this shared universe has had less than 5 minutes of screen time. And given statements made by people like James Gunn and Taika Waititi, I don't think Thanos is going to have much more screen time before Infinity War, Part I arrives in theatres. With the exception of the third one, I think most of the Harry Potter movies are pretty forgettable, but one thing that those movies actually did right was making it feel like Voldemort was the bringer of doom to Harry and his friends, such that when Harry finally beats Voldemort in their battle to the death at the end of Deathly Hallows, Part 2, it's genuinely satisfying that the story of the Boy Who Lived and Tom Riddle is over, and in a way that (mostly) makes sense given the films before it. I don't think Phase 3 will capture that same kind of feeling. In a way, the MCU is watching mortgaging at work: next time will be the end of the story, next time the stakes will be really high, next time the consequences will be dire, next time nothing will ever be the same. That's exactly what I was attempting to get at. But your post made such perfect sense. We've only seen Thanos three times since the MCU started and it would be completely ideal if they did more to build him up. Instead of filler after credit scenes, how about showing him gathering the stones and putting them in the gauntlet?
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Post by Dukect on Nov 28, 2016 0:28:18 GMT -5
I think I'd be a lot more forgiving of the movies were Thanos actually built up well, especially since the MCU is 28+ hours into its journey and the end-all, be-all antagonist for this shared universe has had less than 5 minutes of screen time. And given statements made by people like James Gunn and Taika Waititi, I don't think Thanos is going to have much more screen time before Infinity War, Part I arrives in theatres. With the exception of the third one, I think most of the Harry Potter movies are pretty forgettable, but one thing that those movies actually did right was making it feel like Voldemort was the bringer of doom to Harry and his friends, such that when Harry finally beats Voldemort in their battle to the death at the end of Deathly Hallows, Part 2, it's genuinely satisfying that the story of the Boy Who Lived and Tom Riddle is over, and in a way that (mostly) makes sense given the films before it. I don't think Phase 3 will capture that same kind of feeling. In a way, the MCU is watching mortgaging at work: next time will be the end of the story, next time the stakes will be really high, next time the consequences will be dire, next time nothing will ever be the same. I feel ya Thanos should be the dark cloud that hangs all around the MCU but he really isn't and I know that what the MCU is doing playing the long game but at this point the MCU is going to be like Ring of honor and how the build their story lines and long and so drawn out its going to be like to quote one of Linkin parks big hits in the end it doesn't really matter.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 28, 2016 0:39:12 GMT -5
I would tend to agree about Thanos. They've botched the build up to him severely thus far, as he's given away the infinity gem that we know he had.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 28, 2016 0:45:18 GMT -5
What stone does Thanos have? Last I remember he doesn't have any of the stones and only has an Infinity Gauntlet.
Edit: Nevermind. Just remembered he had the Space Gem that was in Loki's scepter which is now back at the Avengers tower.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Nov 28, 2016 0:48:48 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I also remember reading that Iron Man 3 was supposed to be the real exploration into the "Demon In A Bottle" storyline. The original plan from what I remember was to have Stark dive into alcoholism in order to deal with the PTSD after the first Avengers. However, Disney didn't want to traumatize the kids, so they went with the storyline that we ended up seeing in the film.
Stark dealing with his alcoholism while also attempting to fight the Mandarian/Killian would've made it a more serious, personal, and emotional film in my opinion.
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Post by Cela on Nov 28, 2016 0:49:43 GMT -5
You don't have to kill off a character to raise stakes. Though, that seems that's the only thing that works for people anymore.
Besides, I like the Marvel movies, they are for the most part fun to watch and good for setting up future flicks. And for the most part, they don't have characters walk into a tornado for no reason or rant about demons while replacing apple juice with pig pee or whatever the f*** that plot line was about.
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