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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 19, 2016 23:38:31 GMT -5
I've always felt Jarrett was never right for the role promoters put him in or that he himself liked to be booked in later in his career. The guy is a natural humble babyface for the southern wrestling fans. If he had spent his career in Memphis working for his dad and later took over the top spot from Lawler he would have been remembered much differently and probably a lot better. Jarrett just doesn't seem like a naturally evil person or one that can be taken seriously in that sort of role, whereas he's a very good babyface. By the time Slammiversary 2006 hit Jarrett had such X-Pac heat it was actually almost a hostile deal. Go back and watch the crowd as Hebner screws everyone for JJ to climb the ladder in that KOTM match. Everyone almost in unison pelts the ring with trash and it is just a viciously negative reaction.
I wouldn't consider Abyss for this since it was basically a plot device and his character didn't need or care much about the belt. Pretty much everyone has some kind of merit or at least their reign was too short to be damaging. The Magnus run was so terrible it basically wrecked him. The wild thing was that when he was booked in the match with EY where no one could run in or help, I fully expected him to finally win a match clean. How wrong I was.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Dec 20, 2016 1:02:46 GMT -5
It's gotta be Magnus. I had literally forgot the guy even existed until I read this thread. That tells me all I need to know because he was a great talent. That shit ruined his career.
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Post by Oak: Certified Jade Hater on Dec 20, 2016 1:24:22 GMT -5
I gotta say Jarrett. Even Triple H at his most Triple H-iest knew to put over Batista when he was red hot. Jarrett didn't go with the sure thing (Styles) or the red hot talent (Raven), he may have lost to them but he always got it back relatively quickly. He killed Monty Brown's TNA career and for that I can never forgive him.
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Post by lizzurd on Dec 20, 2016 20:11:42 GMT -5
What's with all this talk about Magnus' run with the TNA Championship killing his career? Today marks his 424th day as Global Force Wrestling champion. He's the longest reigning champion in all of wrestling!
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Dec 21, 2016 8:35:40 GMT -5
Sabin (zero credibility, lost it after about 3 weeks iirc) and Magnus (looked like a doofus all the time) were the absolute worst
At least all the other bad champions (Killings, Young, Rhino) had SOME momentum or made some sense
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Post by benstudd on Dec 21, 2016 18:06:37 GMT -5
I don't get the mention of Killings. Him becoming Champ was a breath of fresh air. He was all attitude, a Hell raiser.
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Post by Woo on Dec 21, 2016 18:34:55 GMT -5
So lets take the good ones off the list first of all:
-Christian -Angle -Styles -Raven -Sting -Joe -Roode -Jarrett, yeah he had it too long but he was a great champ -Bully Ray -Foley, hilarious as champion. One of his best runs from a character standpoint -Lashley
And the guys who had poor runs but deserved to be champion -Abyss -Rhino -Jeff Hardy -Matt Hardy -Anderson -Aries -Storm -ECIII
Then you are left with: -Sabin -Young -Magnus -Shamrock -Killings -Galloway -RVD
Out of all those I'd say the worst has to be either Sabin, Magnus, Galloway or Young. Galloway would be the most forgettable by far so maybe him?
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Dec 22, 2016 2:02:12 GMT -5
To quote The Dude, "well that's just like your opinion man". I respect your opinion but it's not about "knowing the difference". Roode has never really come across as an ass kicker with special intensity, to me. He's always seemed pretty damn generic doing generic heel champion shtick. I like him, I do think he has talent but he never had an "it factor" to me. And I'm not sure why Jarrett's body is being discussed, have you seen some of the champions in WWE/WCW/TNA/ECW over the years? I also never said he should be the top dog, I just didn't get the hate for him even getting a chance at a world title. Yea I suppose when people see Roode in the ring they think "OMG he is so soft". That is like saying Statham has no intensity. The first time I saw Roode in Team Canada when he was unknown guy I thought "this guy has a rugged intensity, he is gonna be something to watch". When he had his feud with Eric Young in 2006, Roode was pissed off all the time, he would attack people and scream at people. That is being calm? And being a good heel champion is not always being original, it's about going for the tried and true formula. And Roode was great at hitting the right note. Roode hitting the bottle on Storm's head may be my favorite TNA moment ever. He was so good in his role during that time that he even got praised from The Rock. His whole title reign was about intensity and being ruthless and being a badass heel in the style of HHH. I don't remember a time when Roode WASN'T an ass kicker. Sorry, but I agree. Roode never hit me as "the guy" or even as that good. He is, in my opinion, the very definition of "decent mid-carder the IWC has convinced themselves should be a star". He's ok in the ring, and otherwise pretty bland. Even since the move to NXT, all that really has gotten hype is his entrance, and that's largely because it's the most interesting thing about him.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 22, 2016 12:37:02 GMT -5
Roode can be an elite tag wrestler. As a singles guy he has never struck me as a serious main event level guy. He doesn't really have anything about him in the ring that draws you in or any terrific moves. I still can't tell you his finisher after all these years. He's basically about like Val Venis as a worker.
Why exactly did Ken Anderson deserve to be TNA champion? And what was so bad about RVD's title run? I know this much about the RVD run: TNA's product was dramatically better from May-August 2010 than it was from January-April 2010. And the show got drastically worse once Abyss almost killed RVD with Janice and he was stripped of the title, leading to Immortal and all that dreck.
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Post by Lazy peon on Dec 22, 2016 12:51:37 GMT -5
I didn't see the Magnus run, are people serious when they say it ruined his career? Can he actually not find work in other companies now? How bad can a title run be where even indies won't hire you?
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 22, 2016 12:52:29 GMT -5
So lets take the good ones off the list first of all: -Christian -Angle -Styles -Raven -Sting -Joe -Roode -Jarrett, yeah he had it too long but he was a great champ -Bully Ray -Foley, hilarious as champion. One of his best runs from a character standpoint -Lashley And the guys who had poor runs but deserved to be champion -Abyss -Rhino -Jeff Hardy -Matt Hardy -Anderson -Aries -Storm -ECIII Then you are left with: -Sabin -Young -Magnus -Shamrock -Killings -Galloway -RVD Out of all those I'd say the worst has to be either Sabin, Magnus, Galloway or Young. Galloway would be the most forgettable by far so maybe him? I'm sort of surprised with some of the calls for the last group. RVD and Ken Shamrock would have been main event level, surely. Though, Galloway was a questionable call given how little build there was to it, to where I legitimately forgot he had ever been champion until this post. Young and Sabin I think were deserving in so far as they were TNA mainstays who had stuck by the company through rough times, and Sabin for a time was probably one of the most credible guys in the company through his X-Division runs and tag run, but both were booked in a pretty piss-poor fashion to do it, Sabin in particular.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 22, 2016 12:56:35 GMT -5
I didn't see the Magnus run, are people serious when they say it ruined his career? Can he actually not find work in other companies now? How bad can a title run be where even indies won't hire you? I'm not entirely sure about his issues with getting hired elsewhere, though he probably doesn't have his phone ringing off the hooks if he's been associated with Global for as long as he has been. As for how bad it was, he was a complete afterthought, even more of Dixie's proxy than EC3 later would be. He didn't have a single clean title defense that I can recall, Eric Young beat him after virtually no build to that, and Magnus himself casts his time as champion in a bad light. After he won it, he had either a concussion or other serious injury, and Big essentially accused him of making it up to his face. As Magnus pointed out, why the f*** would he pretend to be hurt right after they gave him the world title? What would he possibly gain from that?
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Post by Woo on Dec 22, 2016 13:11:55 GMT -5
So lets take the good ones off the list first of all: -Christian -Angle -Styles -Raven -Sting -Joe -Roode -Jarrett, yeah he had it too long but he was a great champ -Bully Ray -Foley, hilarious as champion. One of his best runs from a character standpoint -Lashley And the guys who had poor runs but deserved to be champion -Abyss -Rhino -Jeff Hardy -Matt Hardy -Anderson -Aries -Storm -ECIII Then you are left with: -Sabin -Young -Magnus -Shamrock -Killings -Galloway -RVD Out of all those I'd say the worst has to be either Sabin, Magnus, Galloway or Young. Galloway would be the most forgettable by far so maybe him? I'm sort of surprised with some of the calls for the last group. RVD and Ken Shamrock would have been main event level, surely. Though, Galloway was a questionable call given how little build there was to it, to where I legitimately forgot he had ever been champion until this post. Young and Sabin I think were deserving in so far as they were TNA mainstays who had stuck by the company through rough times, and Sabin for a time was probably one of the most credible guys in the company through his X-Division runs and tag run, but both were booked in a pretty piss-poor fashion to do it, Sabin in particular. Young had been there for ages but had just been in the worst storylines and aside from his spell in World Elite he was a comedy guy. I don't mind that but it was only a few months prior that he was one half of the Knockout tag champs in an awful storyline with ODB. Sabin was great, but when he won the belt it was a case of "They give him the belt now?!". Galloway was very forgettable but I legit forgot Eddie Edwards was champion so he has to be worse.
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Post by Ragnal on Dec 22, 2016 18:26:45 GMT -5
Anytime Jarrett held to to prove he was a main eventer. Point in case beating an over Raven for the belt on same random Canadian house show. I never got that Why have a championship change in a nothing Indy show instead of your own program? Guess tna just tna's itself Responding to this before I get through the rest of the thread: Because Jarrett wanted to be champion again the second they got onto Spike TV, and that was the only way they could do it. Still no payoff following that, still pisses me off.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 18:43:25 GMT -5
Oh, this pisses me off. Dude wrestled over an hour in three different matches, and won the belt. So they have Jarrett win it back the next night.
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Post by jimmyjames on Dec 23, 2016 4:36:20 GMT -5
I'm sort of surprised with some of the calls for the last group. RVD and Ken Shamrock would have been main event level, surely. Though, Galloway was a questionable call given how little build there was to it, to where I legitimately forgot he had ever been champion until this post. Young and Sabin I think were deserving in so far as they were TNA mainstays who had stuck by the company through rough times, and Sabin for a time was probably one of the most credible guys in the company through his X-Division runs and tag run, but both were booked in a pretty piss-poor fashion to do it, Sabin in particular. Young had been there for ages but had just been in the worst storylines and aside from his spell in World Elite he was a comedy guy. I don't mind that but it was only a few months prior that he was one half of the Knockout tag champs in an awful storyline with ODB. Sabin was great, but when he won the belt it was a case of "They give him the belt now?!". Galloway was very forgettable but I legit forgot Eddie Edwards was champion so he has to be worse. Agree especially about Sabin, plus they tried to condense him coming back to champion in less than a month. It seemed more like a case of "he's been here for a while and been a good trooper, let's give him the belt as a reward."
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 23, 2016 5:44:50 GMT -5
Sabin would have for a better surprise if they had at least bothered to make him look like a deserving challenger in any of his matches for the title. Instead, Bully Ray beat the piss out of him for most of both the match where he won the title, and the match where Bully won it back.
In fact, the build to Sabin's title shot was easily the strongest aspect of the program. They used some damn good continuity to build Sabin up, reminding people that the Machine Guns retired Team 3D from tag team competition, and that Sabin specifically kicked out of the 3D in that match, being among the very few that have done so. But of course, it just resulted in the worst possible result, with Sabin looking like a total jabroni, Bully looking like an idiot for letting said jabroni pinning him, and the title itself losing value by having said jabroni win it.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 23, 2016 6:46:23 GMT -5
Abyss has to be up there just by virtue of winning it on a DQ but in terms of terrible booking Brutus and Sabin are tied.
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Post by evilone on Dec 23, 2016 8:49:42 GMT -5
I have a different pov of Magnus'es reign. At the time he became the champion there were better suiting guys to hold the belt. Magnus was good don't take me wrong but he didn't make that one leap he needed to make something special about him to have the belt. I think Doug Williams had more natural cache than Magnus and if they have built Doug in parallel to Magnus it would have been hard not to put belt on Doug. Doug had that DDP like badass in him.
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Post by 543Y2J on Dec 23, 2016 9:34:12 GMT -5
Sabin's run never should have happened. I genuinely view Sabin as a consistently amazing in ring talent throughout his whole career, but I completely agree he shouldn't have been champion
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