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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 19, 2017 10:43:45 GMT -5
Whenever reshoots are announced people are quick to hop on the disaster train in general, recently
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 11:18:36 GMT -5
Whenever reshoots are announced people are quick to hop on the disaster train in general, recently Sure every film has reshoots. Didnt age of ultron have reshoots as well |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 19, 2017 11:21:40 GMT -5
Whenever reshoots are announced people are quick to hop on the disaster train in general, recently Sure every film has reshoots. Didnt age of ultron have reshoots as well Yes. But and I bet you can find people reporting it being a mess when they were announced too. |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 19, 2017 12:20:15 GMT -5
You're wrong. Look at what they've turned in. There's no conspiracy. I am not throwing out conspiracy theories or saying that there is one. I am just pointing out that it seems a bit odd that DC films always have reports of being disasters before their release. How long has Wonder Woman been in production? We didn't hear about any of this during the production, now all of a sudden its a disaster? Justice League, I could kind of buy, simply because it's not surprising given the reception of Batman vs. Superman. However, I simply cannot grasp why every DC film that's about to be released in a few to several months time receives the disaster article piece from an individual who might have an agenda. Again, everything they've turned in has been either just a mess (Man of Steel, Suicide Squad) or a flaming dumpster fire (BvS). We were warned about at least two of them. You don't have to grasp it if you don't want to, but it's not difficult to believe it at all. In fact, it's ridiculous to go "Well, I don't understand why we believe them when they say it's a mess!" is currently the ridiculous notion. If it swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. |
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Post by Dub H on Jan 19, 2017 12:25:02 GMT -5
Sure every film has reshoots. Didnt age of ultron have reshoots as well Yes. But and I bet you can find people reporting it being a mess when they were announced too. Not a good example since age of ultron was quite messy. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 19, 2017 12:28:42 GMT -5
When a DC movie has reshoots, it's because the executives have seen the film and thought "oh shit"
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 19, 2017 12:29:24 GMT -5
Whenever reshoots are announced people are quick to hop on the disaster train in general, recently Star Wars: Rogue One is a pretty good example. I remember quite a few people in the thread freaking out over it. |
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Post by MC Blowfish on Jan 19, 2017 12:40:44 GMT -5
You're wrong. Look at what they've turned in. There's no conspiracy. I am not throwing out conspiracy theories or saying that there is one. I am just pointing out that it seems a bit odd that DC films always have reports of being disasters before their release. How long has Wonder Woman been in production? We didn't hear about any of this during the production, now all of a sudden its a disaster? Justice League, I could kind of buy, simply because it's not surprising given the reception of Batman vs. Superman. However, I simply cannot grasp why every DC film that's about to be released in a few to several months time receives the disaster article piece from an individual who might have an agenda. You have at least twice in this thread alluded to an anti-DC agenda. This seems to be a common occurrence that I've seen among strictly DC fans that they believe that all of the critics have something against DC. |
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 19, 2017 13:09:20 GMT -5
You're wrong. Look at what they've turned in. There's no conspiracy. I am not throwing out conspiracy theories or saying that there is one. I am just pointing out that it seems a bit odd that DC films always have reports of being disasters before their release. How long has Wonder Woman been in production? We didn't hear about any of this during the production, now all of a sudden its a disaster? Justice League, I could kind of buy, simply because it's not surprising given the reception of Batman vs. Superman. However, I simply cannot grasp why every DC film that's about to be released in a few to several months time receives the disaster article piece from an individual who might have an agenda. To be fair, Wonder Woman is probably in post-production, which is when everything is coming together. It's tough to judge a movie's quality while it's being filmed and anyone involved with the script won't be talking to anyone about it. |
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 19, 2017 13:24:59 GMT -5
Yeah, it's not just DC that gets talk of being disasters behind the scenes at all. people talked about Ant-man being a shit show because it was announced IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING IRON MAN, and Edgar Wright and Marvel clashed heads about a ton of stuff and Edgar in general procrastinating on it until he eventually left the project. It was heavily expected that it was going to be a failure for those reasons and because of Ant-man not exactly being a well known hero. and as stated earlier Fant4stic was also called a disaster on set with all the shit Trank was doing (like flat out ignoring Kate Mara, and getting into a fist fight with Miles Teller) and that Fox had to scramble to reshoot the movie so they didn't get sued for making a fantastic four movie In name only... and guess what it was a terrible disaster of a movie Is it fair to use Fant4stic as an example though? Anyone could've seen that was going to be a disaster from the beginning. Well, I think people were somewhat hopeful because of Trank's work on Chronicle (a movie I loved), and while they got up in arms about Michael B. Jordan being cast as Johnny Storm and Jamie Bell as Ben, they did get talented people to be in the movie. I think people were willing to give it a chance until they started hearing more about the movie as filming started. I remember my turning point was seeing all the stuff about Doom possibly being a TV character, and some sort of Internet hacktivist blogger (no idea what they went with since I still refuse to watch the movie). And it kinda snowballed from there. In regards to F4, Someone really needs to find the balance between the goofy, overly comic-y first 2 movies and F4ntastic. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 19, 2017 13:27:24 GMT -5
Is it fair to use Fant4stic as an example though? Anyone could've seen that was going to be a disaster from the beginning. Well, I think people were somewhat hopeful because of Trank's work on Chronicle (a movie I loved), and while they got up in arms about Michael B. Jordan being cast as Johnny Storm and Jamie Bell as Ben, they did get talented people to be in the movie. I think people were willing to give it a chance until they started hearing more about the movie as filming started. I remember my turning point was seeing all the stuff about Doom possibly being a TV character, and some sort of Internet hacktivist blogger (no idea what they went with since I still refuse to watch the movie). And it kinda snowballed from there. In regards to F4, Someone really needs to find the balance between the goofy, overly comic-y first 2 movies and F4ntastic. One of the earliest warning signs to me about Fant4stic was when Kate Mara asked what comics she should read to understand the character and she was told not to bother. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 13:27:29 GMT -5
Is it fair to use Fant4stic as an example though? Anyone could've seen that was going to be a disaster from the beginning. Well, I think people were somewhat hopeful because of Trank's work on Chronicle (a movie I loved), and while they got up in arms about Michael B. Jordan being cast as Johnny Storm and Jamie Bell as Ben, they did get talented people to be in the movie. I think people were willing to give it a chance until they started hearing more about the movie as filming started. I remember my turning point was seeing all the stuff about Doom possibly being a TV character, and some sort of Internet hacktivist blogger (no idea what they went with since I still refuse to watch the movie). And it kinda snowballed from there. In regards to F4, Someone really needs to find the balance between the goofy, overly comic-y first 2 movies and F4ntastic. Really, Fantastic Four doesn't lend itself well to a superhero movie to begin with. If you're doing the spirit of the comic right it'd be better suited as an exploration-focused TV show, though the budget would probably need to be too high to be feasible. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 19, 2017 14:41:46 GMT -5
I am not throwing out conspiracy theories or saying that there is one. I am just pointing out that it seems a bit odd that DC films always have reports of being disasters before their release. How long has Wonder Woman been in production? We didn't hear about any of this during the production, now all of a sudden its a disaster? Justice League, I could kind of buy, simply because it's not surprising given the reception of Batman vs. Superman. However, I simply cannot grasp why every DC film that's about to be released in a few to several months time receives the disaster article piece from an individual who might have an agenda. You have at least twice in this thread alluded to an anti-DC agenda. This seems to be a common occurrence that I've seen among strictly DC fans that they believe that all of the critics have something against DC. I am both a fan of Marvel and DC. But I do find it pretty odd that every DC film that has come out(with the exception of Man of Steel) has had the disaster article piece written about it. Look I am not some gung ho DC fan who thinks everyone is out to get them. I am just asking questions and pointing out the oddness along with the timing of every article piece that's been written about it. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 19, 2017 14:43:20 GMT -5
Is it fair to use Fant4stic as an example though? Anyone could've seen that was going to be a disaster from the beginning. Well, I think people were somewhat hopeful because of Trank's work on Chronicle (a movie I loved), and while they got up in arms about Michael B. Jordan being cast as Johnny Storm and Jamie Bell as Ben, they did get talented people to be in the movie. I think people were willing to give it a chance until they started hearing more about the movie as filming started. I remember my turning point was seeing all the stuff about Doom possibly being a TV character, and some sort of Internet hacktivist blogger (no idea what they went with since I still refuse to watch the movie). And it kinda snowballed from there. In regards to F4, Someone really needs to find the balance between the goofy, overly comic-y first 2 movies and F4ntastic. Yes, Doom was still an internet hacktivist/scientist in the film. Luckily I work at a theatre and watched it for free. But yes that part still remained in the film. |
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 19, 2017 15:02:02 GMT -5
I've only really seen BvS but just about everything in it felt unearned. Not just in the sense they were starting at what should be about the 5th movie but the tone, motivation, world building, references, allegories, hooks for future movies...
Not helped by the fact I like the DC TV shows so have no goodwill towards a cinematic universe that discounts the characters/universes I'm actually interested in.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 19, 2017 15:13:48 GMT -5
You have at least twice in this thread alluded to an anti-DC agenda. This seems to be a common occurrence that I've seen among strictly DC fans that they believe that all of the critics have something against DC. I am both a fan of Marvel and DC. But I do find it pretty odd that every DC film that has come out(with the exception of Man of Steel) has had the disaster article piece written about it. Look I am not some gung ho DC fan who thinks everyone is out to get them. I am just asking questions and pointing out the oddness along with the timing of every article piece that's been written about it. Except there is no oddness, since two times they told us the productions were a mess and two times when the films came out, they were messes. You're trying to make a point that just isn't there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 15:19:56 GMT -5
Whenever reshoots are announced people are quick to hop on the disaster train in general, recently Sure every film has reshoots. Didnt age of ultron have reshoots as well Every big budgeted CGI blockbuster has reshoots. There is a reason why many of these films are finished filming a year or year and a half before release date. A lot of it is usually on technical touch ups that editing or CGI couldn't fix and sometimes adding a few more scenes to improve the flow or tone of the movie. But if there are reshoots a few months before filming that's usually a big problem because it means the story or tone isn't going the way it should be or there is a quarrel between the producers/directors/screenwriters/etc. And you get a chopped up inconsistent tone. Kind of like what you saw with Suicide Squad or Rogue One. |
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Post by MC Blowfish on Jan 19, 2017 15:32:20 GMT -5
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 19, 2017 15:54:43 GMT -5
They've got an uphill battle, that's for sure. Man of Steel got them off to a shaky start (I personally enjoyed it), but Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad killed off most of the remaining optimism people had, as well as their pretty terrible presentation of iconic villains like Lex Luthor and The Joker. They just for whatever reason can't seem to figure out what makes these characters work, or what audiences want to see from superheroes in general.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 19, 2017 16:02:08 GMT -5
Written off as bombs vs. Messy Production are two different statements. All I am saying is if all that's coming out about DC films is negative press and it's continual, then people aren't going to give it a chance. DC films isn't Bucky Larson, Glitter, or Gigli by any stretch of the imagination. But as long as it's continuing to receive a bad rep and all people keep seeing is negativity rather than seeing it for themselves then they'll never receive a fair shot. The films aren't perfect, they're very flawed and could use a lot of improvement. The tone, the character development, the build up, and the order of the films overall could be improved upon. But the least people could do is give them a chance instead of writing them off with the first sign of a negative article. |
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