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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Feb 5, 2017 9:34:55 GMT -5
This has been going on for ages. Look at Elvis and Beatlemania. They weren't around for over the top 24 hour new coverage though. They beat something into the ground, the public responds by parroting them. Then you have two groups of people; those who want more and those who hate the overhype. Both of which are still discussing the subject, driving a manufactured demand for more coverage, while both are having their opinions shaped by the coverage. It's a science by now. Kim Kardashian, Kim Kardashian, Kim Kardashian! Lion shooting dentist, lion shooting dentist, lion shooting dentist! Beyonce twins, Beyonce twins, Beyonce twins! Jim Ross tells the news? |
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Post by sfvega on Feb 5, 2017 9:41:10 GMT -5
They weren't around for over the top 24 hour new coverage though. They beat something into the ground, the public responds by parroting them. Then you have two groups of people; those who want more and those who hate the overhype. Both of which are still discussing the subject, driving a manufactured demand for more coverage, while both are having their opinions shaped by the coverage. It's a science by now. Kim Kardashian, Kim Kardashian, Kim Kardashian! Lion shooting dentist, lion shooting dentist, lion shooting dentist! Beyonce twins, Beyonce twins, Beyonce twins! Jim Ross tells the news? Of course, where else did you first hear about Tyson and Austin, Tyson and Austin, Tyson and Austin? |
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Post by Rican on Feb 5, 2017 9:48:21 GMT -5
Eh, I think she's super talented and seems like a nice lady. I've enjoyed most of her stuff. I also find a lot of the particularly over the top fandom to be tongue in cheek and part of the fun. I'm sure there are some people who really take it that seriously but you see that with any fan base.
There's also a cultural aspect to it that makes me respect it and feel as though I can't fully comment on it, and makes it hard for anyone not from that culture to relate. Shes an unapologetically strong black woman fully in control of her image, business and sexuality during a time where that is less represented in the media. Most of the hardcore stans for her that I personally know are black women, and I just think it's cool that they have someone to look up to and celebrate like that.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 5, 2017 10:39:00 GMT -5
When did a lion shoot a dentist?*
*I know what the story is, but read that post again and imagine a lion just pluggin Tim Watley. Funny, eh?
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 6, 2017 7:50:54 GMT -5
Eh, I think she's super talented and seems like a nice lady. I've enjoyed most of her stuff. I also find a lot of the particularly over the top fandom to be tongue in cheek and part of the fun. I'm sure there are some people who really take it that seriously but you see that with any fan base. There's also a cultural aspect to it that makes me respect it and feel as though I can't fully comment on it, and makes it hard for anyone not from that culture to relate. Shes an unapologetically strong black woman fully in control of her image, business and sexuality during a time where that is less represented in the media. Most of the hardcore stans for her that I personally know are black women, and I just think it's cool that they have someone to look up to and celebrate like that. That's a pretty big reason as to why. For a lot of people she serves as as something of a role model. I'm not saying that she doesn't have her overtly fanatical admirers, all pop stars do. But as mentioned, she's an extremely hard working entertainer who is far from the kind of celebrity who has their notoriety and not much else. |
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Post by Dub H on Feb 6, 2017 9:22:28 GMT -5
Stanning for any one person is a really bad idea. Beyonce in particular has a lot of stans that think she walks on water and defend her to ridiculous degree. Sometimes it even gets violent And this tends to tie in with "problematic faves" on some social media culture where people are expected to be perfect and any flaws or imperfections, no matter how minor, are considered "problematic." Well, that ties into the fact that the internet(and society as a whole really, but it gets particularly venomous online) loves to build people up just so they can break them down. I remember a time when John Green was the most beloved person on tumblr, but then, when all that adoration started leading to actual material success for him in the way of movies and shit, the mob almost INSTANTLY turned, and I would see people who six months ago were riding the guy's dick talking all sorts of shit about what was wrong with his books, his movies, and him as a person. Apparently the same shit is happening now to Taylor Swift? I dunno. Beyonce will get her turn in that weird cycle eventually. I think.this was the case with Joss Whedon from avengers until Avengers 2. But maybe that is because of the big drop in quality |
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 6, 2017 13:14:47 GMT -5
Part of the problem I think is that Beyonce isn't merely praised or criticised for her musical output. Too many people think she's more influential in wider culture than she really is. Fundamentally, she's just a person who sings and dances, and that's it. If her worshippers are to be believed, she's a modern day social revolutionary. If you believe her detractors, she's a danger to law enforcement and order. Both are talking bollocks.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Feb 6, 2017 13:33:47 GMT -5
I remember last summer, Beyonce had her concert. My friends went, and I was meeting them after. So I'm outside the stadium (where I actually heard and saw some of the show) and as the crowd was leaving, I see this girl on her phone.
She's crying uncontrollably. And I hear, "Oh my god! It was incredible!" Like, Beyonce sang Single Ladies and Halo and Crazy in Love. Is it really that life altering?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Feb 6, 2017 13:44:32 GMT -5
I remember last summer, Beyonce had her concert. My friends went, and I was meeting them after. So I'm outside the stadium (where I actually heard and saw some of the show) and as the crowd was leaving, I see this girl on her phone. She's crying uncontrollably. And I hear, "Oh my god! It was incredible!" Like, Beyonce sang Single Ladies and Halo and Crazy in Love. Is it really that life altering? Never cried over a movie or wrestling or a book or whatever other artform? Emotional connections with your preferred entertainment are wonky like that. Even excluding the artist reverence, the art (story, song, performance, whatever) itself they present can be beautiful or sad or any number of things else. Art and entertainment's whole goal is to stir emotions, yes usually for the exchange of the contents of your wallet but my point stands. I know I'm first off in this thread decrying celeb worship blahblahblah but this particular complaint doesn't connect to that directly I feel. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 14:29:21 GMT -5
Kids are awesome, and I'm happy that she is expanding her family, but, I've never seen the reason why people give her that worship. I would wager that they have very little else in their lives to feel good about...? It's a substitute for something. It has to be. And it's disturbing. Also, blame Kanye. Because those awards show and just blame Kanye he probably deserves it. |
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Post by Fade on Feb 6, 2017 15:01:41 GMT -5
~Beyonce farts~ YAAAAAAAAS QUEEEEEN SLAY THAT FART YAAAAAAAAAAAAS YAAAAAASSSS BEYHIVE SLAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY GUUUUUUUURL Thats all I basically wanted to contribute. As others have pointed out..Theres a creepiness there. The worship is very...weird. Its like Elvis, Girls wanted to f*** him, guys wanted to live his life (theoretically). Same with Beatles. The Beyonce thing is weird. It doesnt phase me, shes talented and gorgeous, but I know my GF personally hates it and we go on talks and talks trying to dissect just why her fanbase is so impassioned and the creepiness factor. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 6, 2017 15:12:32 GMT -5
She's crying uncontrollably. And I hear, "Oh my god! It was incredible!" Like, Beyonce sang Single Ladies and Halo and Crazy in Love. Is it really that life altering? "Beyonce made a song called "Single Ladies" then went home to her husband and left you lonely hoes dancing in a circle pretending to be happy" Absolutely savage quote, but really funny when you think about it |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 6, 2017 15:13:54 GMT -5
Put some respek on Queen Bey's name.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 6, 2017 15:15:19 GMT -5
I'll just stick with worshipping Ellie Goulding.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 6, 2017 15:17:01 GMT -5
I don't think her following is anymore out of hand than some other pop stars who've achieved a similar status. I don't think she's necessarily the greatest pop idol ever, but you can't deny how talented she is, or her charisma. The way she presents and carries herself to me makes it totally understandable why she was able to become such an icon in this era. If anything, I don't think Beyonce gets ENOUGH credit. Real shit, let em know. The girl is a part of the mainstream in America which is honestly kinda amazing considering she's a black woman in a patriarchal society. In the same way that Prince and MJ were institutions of a previous generation, Beyonce is an institution of our generation. I can understand the frustration with hearing about someone over and over (especially if you don't particularly enjoy their work) but she honestly deserves it. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Feb 6, 2017 15:30:07 GMT -5
I'll just stick with worshipping Ellie Goulding. Goulding is great too. Lights is my jam. Gaga, Janelle Monae and Sia are still my top three favorite female pop artists as of right now anyway. I like Bey and I think she's becoming culturally significant, but I also like a lot of different kinds of music. |
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Post by SmashTV on Feb 6, 2017 15:54:43 GMT -5
(*Beyonce adopts a naked pose whilst covering her pregnant belly*)
Demi Moore: 'You're 25 years too late, hon...'
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Post by StuntGranny® on Feb 6, 2017 16:23:26 GMT -5
My better half loves her, but I don't think there's anything special about her. I don't dislike her and I don't hate her songs, but I don't like them either. For me, they're inoffensive and just there. I honestly don't think I've enjoyed anything she's ever done outside of the performance she did with the Dixie Chicks at whatever country awards show that was. I love that it pissed off so many rednecks, so I appreciate her for that.
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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Feb 6, 2017 16:50:37 GMT -5
I don't think her following is anymore out of hand than some other pop stars who've achieved a similar status. I don't think she's necessarily the greatest pop idol ever, but you can't deny how talented she is, or her charisma. The way she presents and carries herself to me makes it totally understandable why she was able to become such an icon in this era. If anything, I don't think Beyonce gets ENOUGH credit. Real shit, let em know. The girl is a part of the mainstream in America which is honestly kinda amazing considering she's a black woman in a patriarchal society. In the same way that Prince and MJ were institutions of a previous generation, Beyonce is an institution of our generation. I can understand the frustration with hearing about someone over and over (especially if you don't particularly enjoy their work) but she honestly deserves it. The difficulty in unpacking the ideas people have about 'Beyonce' from the woman herself is that while she's a black woman in a patriarchal society, Beyonce's also an entertainer in a capitalist society. I remember when Formation came out that most people were talking about how Beyonce was directly addressing topics like Black Lives Matter and Hurricane Katrina, that she was speaking as an artist in a way that she hadn't before (or not as explicitly, and that idea depends on what kind of person you are when you listen to her music). But there wasn't much commentary about how at the same time Formation came out Beyonce also had announced a tour and merchandise related to her new album available to buy on her website. While most recently Beyonce and her music challenge the status quo of white patriarchy in America, in what ways does her role as a producer of commodities and experiences also support the economic system that also thrives on the same kinds of inequality that elsewhere she's subverting? bell hooks has a great essay that gets at the ways in which gender, race, and economy (and age, since hooks' remarks about Beyonce are often dismissed as being 'out of touch' because she's too old to 'get' what Beyonce is doing) work in complex ways in Beyonce's music and videos, most notably in the Lemonade era. www.bellhooksinstitute.com/blog/2016/5/9/moving-beyond-pain |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 6, 2017 17:30:00 GMT -5
Real shit, let em know. The girl is a part of the mainstream in America which is honestly kinda amazing considering she's a black woman in a patriarchal society. In the same way that Prince and MJ were institutions of a previous generation, Beyonce is an institution of our generation. I can understand the frustration with hearing about someone over and over (especially if you don't particularly enjoy their work) but she honestly deserves it. The difficulty in unpacking the ideas people have about 'Beyonce' from the woman herself is that while she's a black woman in a patriarchal society, Beyonce's also an entertainer in a capitalist society. I remember when Formation came out that most people were talking about how Beyonce was directly addressing topics like Black Lives Matter and Hurricane Katrina, that she was speaking as an artist in a way that she hadn't before (or not as explicitly, and that idea depends on what kind of person you are when you listen to her music). But there wasn't much commentary about how at the same time Formation came out Beyonce also had announced a tour and merchandise related to her new album available to buy on her website. While most recently Beyonce and her music challenge the status quo of white patriarchy in America, in what ways does her role as a producer of commodities and experiences also support the economic system that also thrives on the same kinds of inequality that elsewhere she's subverting? bell hooks has a great essay that gets at the ways in which gender, race, and economy (and age, since hooks' remarks about Beyonce are often dismissed as being 'out of touch' because she's too old to 'get' what Beyonce is doing) work in complex ways in Beyonce's music and videos, most notably in the Lemonade era. www.bellhooksinstitute.com/blog/2016/5/9/moving-beyond-painOof. Good shit. I'm not sure if I personally agree with everything here but that's a valid point and some real food for thought. Thank you, honestly the best post I've read on here in a long ass time. |
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