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Post by Dub H on Mar 9, 2017 12:29:37 GMT -5
To be fair,all Marvel movies until Captain America Civil War(and lesser extent WInter SOldier) are great individually and don't limit thenselves for universe building. Civil War worked to build a universe with those limits because it is already really big. I'd say the cut-off was the first Avengers movie for me. They lack a significant enough level of distinction or individual voice from the writer/directors to make any one really stand out over another. Winter Solider, I'm told, is the exception. Though the financial success of the films are unprecedented, I was pretty let down after the first wave of films. I was hoping that they'd be more creatively diverse in their presentation. As it went on, it became clear that idiosyncratic styles were muted in favor of overall cohesion (again, VERY smart branding by Marvel), which was disappointing for someone like me who is more interested in a director's creative voice than where it "fits" in the universe both in terms of story and in tone. But I'm glad these movies are out there and it's interesting that they're beginning to pull more directors with TV experience to helm the films. Again, totally makes sense because in TV the director's vision is secondary to maintaining the overall flavor/style of the show. I mean, I'm sure that's part of why Wright walked from Ant-Man or you won't see ...I dunno, Wes Anderson directing a Marvel film. Like I said, I'm glad MCU does it like they do - a lot of people get a lot of joy from watching them - but for me it became too repetitive too quickly. I get what you are talking now. I was thinking more in regards to lore and setting. Yeh, the Marvels movies definitely all have a guideline to how they are presented.
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Post by Reflecto on Mar 9, 2017 16:06:43 GMT -5
I'd be more interested if DC/Warners announced they were developing some G-rated adaptions. That'd be something different. Is it even possible to do a G-rated comic book movie, at all, period? The rating system is so draconian that if there's even violence in the way of a fighting it's an automatic PG-13...and if there's even confrontation, disagreement, or any form of conflict (even if they're just disagree on something), it's a PG rating. Considering superhero stories are about conflict at its core in any way, shape, or form, nothing can get you that low.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Mar 9, 2017 16:08:17 GMT -5
Why was Fandango surveying this? WWE not pay him enough?
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Mar 9, 2017 16:35:34 GMT -5
I'd be more interested if DC/Warners announced they were developing some G-rated adaptions. That'd be something different. Is it even possible to do a G-rated comic book movie, at all, period? The rating system is so draconian that if there's even violence in the way of a fighting it's an automatic PG-13...and if there's even confrontation, disagreement, or any form of conflict (even if they're just disagree on something), it's a PG rating. Considering superhero stories are about conflict at its core in any way, shape, or form, nothing can get you that low. Plus, you know, DC + G-rating = TEEN TITANS GO.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 9, 2017 16:43:58 GMT -5
Have Harley Quinn in an X-rated DC movie!
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Post by Shai on Mar 9, 2017 16:50:37 GMT -5
Marvel and Disney aren't even making R rated film. FOX is.... Yeah exactly. Didn't a Disney guy say that they're not interested in ever doing an R-Rated film? (Huge advocate for Fox never selling the X-men rights back over here. Fox has their issues creatively but they allow way more freedom than Disney ever has with their comic stuff or their new super safe wal-mart brand Star Wars) I wouldn't call Rogue One super safe. They did kill the entire main cast after all.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 9, 2017 16:54:21 GMT -5
Aiming for a specific rating is a backwards way of filmmaking. Movies should be written and filmed in whatever tone suits the characters, then let the chips fall where they may when it's rated. If you submit a Superman or Flash film and it comes back with an R rating, then you screwed up right out of the gate because excessive violence and swearing doesn't suit those properties at all. At the same time, you shouldn't work on a Batman movie and worry about physical violence or gruesome crime scene content. If that makes it in, so be it. It fits the character. Take your R rating, but don't aim for it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 16:59:29 GMT -5
Aiming for a specific rating is a backwards way of filmmaking. Movies should be written and filmed in whatever tone suits the characters, then let the chips fall where they may when it's rated. If you submit a Superman or Flash film and it comes back with an R rating, then you screwed up right out of the gate because excessive violence and swearing doesn't suit those properties at all. At the same time, you shouldn't work on a Batman movie and worry about physical violence or gruesome crime scene content. If that makes it in, so be it. It fits the character. Take your R rating, but don't aim for it. In an ideal world & from a creative standpoint you are 100% correct. But an R-rating is an elusive thing. The ratings board is more mysterious than ... I dunno, something really mysterious with how they hand out ratings. Borderline stuff that could end up in a Flash or Superman movie might get an R-rating when really it's clearly PG13. A lot of it is arbitrary. Also there's the financial side. Films are pushed to be PG13 for a wider audience and bigger budgets for (hopefully) bigger returns. When you shoot for an R-Rating less is generally expected of the film so it can (hopefully) take more creative chances and worry less about pleasing a wide audience. So if a film works better as PG13 there's better chance for way more studio interference and watering-down of what could be a smart, interesting PG13 film.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 9, 2017 17:14:09 GMT -5
Yeah exactly. Didn't a Disney guy say that they're not interested in ever doing an R-Rated film? (Huge advocate for Fox never selling the X-men rights back over here. Fox has their issues creatively but they allow way more freedom than Disney ever has with their comic stuff or their new super safe wal-mart brand Star Wars) I wouldn't call Rogue One super safe. They did kill the entire main cast after all. It was a movie made pretty much exclusively to get the Death Star and Darth Vader in a movie again.
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Post by Shai on Mar 9, 2017 17:23:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't call Rogue One super safe. They did kill the entire main cast after all. It was a movie made pretty much exclusively to get the Death Star and Darth Vader in a movie again. So? What is Disney supposed to do with Star Wars? At this point they're doing better justice to the property then Lucas was doing. I'm of the opinion that being bought by Disney was the best thing that's happened to the ip in a long while.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Mar 9, 2017 17:27:56 GMT -5
Why was Fandango surveying this? WWE not pay him enough? Fandangoo was busy at the time.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Mar 9, 2017 17:49:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't call Rogue One super safe. They did kill the entire main cast after all. It was a movie made pretty much exclusively to get the Death Star and Darth Vader in a movie again. I don't know. Killing the entire cast, isn't exactly safe. Also having Darth Vader slaughter a bunch of guys isn't exactly safe either.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 9, 2017 17:53:37 GMT -5
It was a movie made pretty much exclusively to get the Death Star and Darth Vader in a movie again. So? What is Disney supposed to do with Star Wars? Something interesting and different? Hey I'm not bashing them making money. Go get it. But for me as a Star Wars fan what they've done has been very boring. It's all original trilogy nostalgia over and over and over. The prequels are bad movies but atleast Lucas was trying to go in a different direction and inject new things into the universe. Disney, it's all tie fighters and X-wings. A Han Solo origin movie because god forbid we have a Star Wars without the millenium falcon. What the hell are we even talking about anymore. lol. It was a movie made pretty much exclusively to get the Death Star and Darth Vader in a movie again. I don't know. Killing the entire cast, isn't exactly safe. Also having Darth Vader slaughter a bunch of guys isn't exactly safe either. Ok. I'm not talking about EDGY shit. I'm talking about the content. At the end of the day. What are Rogue One and Force Awakens? Death Stars, X-wings, Han Solo, R2 and C3PO. Rogue One crammed in needless OG trilogy cameos. That's the safe I'm talking about. It's what Star Wars is if you only looked at Backpacks and lunchboxes. Not saying anyone is wrong for liking those movies! I really liked Force Awakens but again. As a SW fan it's just kinda bland.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Mar 9, 2017 18:21:29 GMT -5
I was gonna make a "with blackjack and hookers" joke, but I'm pretty sure Frank Miller is sitting in an office at DC headquarters finishing up his sixth or so DC comic movie script right now right now, all ready to go.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Mar 9, 2017 18:25:09 GMT -5
It was a movie made pretty much exclusively to get the Death Star and Darth Vader in a movie again. I don't know. Killing the entire cast, isn't exactly safe. Also having Darth Vader slaughter a bunch of guys isn't exactly safe either. But dude! It's Vader! SO ummm.....sellout! Bring back galactic trade policy debates! That shit was off the CHAIN!
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Post by Fundertaker on Mar 9, 2017 18:35:10 GMT -5
I was gonna make a "with blackjack and hookers" joke, but I'm pretty sure Frank Miller is sitting in an office at DC headquarters finishing up his sixth or so DC comic movie script right now right now, all ready to go. I think the whole script for that one is just "Blackjack, hookers and Batman is f***ing cool! *insert purple prose about the city here*"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 19:17:51 GMT -5
Is it even possible to do a G-rated comic book movie, at all, period? The rating system is so draconian that if there's even violence in the way of a fighting it's an automatic PG-13...and if there's even confrontation, disagreement, or any form of conflict (even if they're just disagree on something), it's a PG rating. Considering superhero stories are about conflict at its core in any way, shape, or form, nothing can get you that low. Plus, you know, DC + G-rating = TEEN TITANS GO. Teen Titans GO! is PG. G rated shows can't get away with constant fart & ass jokes and being mean spirited often.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 9, 2017 19:30:02 GMT -5
DC: When in doubt, copy the other guys...again.
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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Mar 9, 2017 19:36:50 GMT -5
Have Harley Quinn in an X-rated DC movie! Hey Demented, do you want to get working on the screen play for this?
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 9, 2017 19:41:53 GMT -5
I don't know. Killing the entire cast, isn't exactly safe. Also having Darth Vader slaughter a bunch of guys isn't exactly safe either. But dude! It's Vader! SO ummm.....sellout! Bring back galactic trade policy debates! That shit was off the CHAIN! Yup. That's exactly what I said. Except for the part where I said the prequels were bad. Reading is kewl.
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