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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Mar 9, 2017 19:43:27 GMT -5
There are characters who would lend themselves to R-rated films, but they're also not the characters around which WB would build a summer blockbuster tentpole movie.
Golden Age Sandman, Shade the Changing Man, Hellblazer, Animal Man, Doom Patrol, Howard Chaykin's Blackhawk, Mike Grell Green Arrow, Tom King's Omega Men. But none of these characters are A-listers, except Green Arrow maybe.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 9, 2017 20:12:32 GMT -5
There are characters who would lend themselves to R-rated films, but they're also not the characters around which WB would build a summer blockbuster tentpole movie. Golden Age Sandman, Shade the Changing Man, Hellblazer, Animal Man, Doom Patrol, Howard Chaykin's Blackhawk, Mike Grell Green Arrow, Tom King's Omega Men. But none of these characters are A-listers, except Green Arrow maybe. I wouldn't even think Green Arrow necessarily has to be R... I mean Arrow wouldn't get an R rating for instance. |
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Post by Demented on Mar 9, 2017 20:23:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 20:38:23 GMT -5
Because R rated= good.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Mar 9, 2017 22:23:14 GMT -5
See, this is where DC kind of messed up, trying to do exactly what Marvel/Disney was doing, rather than just waiting them out, and THEN doing their superhero universe. If I were DC, I would have been providing an alternative, and making R Rated movies from their VERTIGO line. I mean, SANDMAN, PREACHER, TRANSMETROPOLITAN, FABLES, a relaunched HELLBLAZER or SWAMP THING....that would have been the way to go, rather than trying to jumpstart their own AVENGERS without the 4 year build of single movies that it took to get to that point. Marvel and Disney aren't even making R rated film. FOX is.... You missed my point. I wasn't talking about copying FOX. I was talking about copying Marvel/Disney with trying to jumpstart their own superhero universe into being, directly competing with what Marvel/Disney was doing, rather than just doing their own thing. NOW they're trying to do what FOX is doing, but for the last few years, they've been foolishly trying to make their own AVENGERS happen with meh results, when they should have done the VERTIGO stuff as an alternative instead. |
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Mar 9, 2017 22:25:06 GMT -5
I'd be more interested if DC/Warners announced they were developing some G-rated adaptions. That'd be something different. Is it even possible to do a G-rated comic book movie, at all, period? The rating system is so draconian that if there's even violence in the way of a fighting it's an automatic PG-13...and if there's even confrontation, disagreement, or any form of conflict (even if they're just disagree on something), it's a PG rating. Considering superhero stories are about conflict at its core in any way, shape, or form, nothing can get you that low. You could do an animated version of some of the classic Carl Barks Uncle Scrooge comics and get a G rating. Plus it being from Disney will help get that G even easier. The early stuff in Bone could be a G rated movie.Along with all of the pre-reboot Archie stuff. But yeah for cape stuff it is gonna get at least a PG. |
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Mar 9, 2017 22:26:14 GMT -5
There are characters who would lend themselves to R-rated films, but they're also not the characters around which WB would build a summer blockbuster tentpole movie. Golden Age Sandman, Shade the Changing Man, Hellblazer, Animal Man, Doom Patrol, Howard Chaykin's Blackhawk, Mike Grell Green Arrow, Tom King's Omega Men. But none of these characters are A-listers, except Green Arrow maybe. I wouldn't even think Green Arrow necessarily has to be R... I mean Arrow wouldn't get an R rating for instance. True but Arrow and Mike Grell's Green Arrow are very very different things. But even then I think you are more than likely to get a PG 13 if they adapted the Grell run into a film or series of films. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 9, 2017 22:34:54 GMT -5
I wouldn't even think Green Arrow necessarily has to be R... I mean Arrow wouldn't get an R rating for instance. True but Arrow and Mike Grell's Green Arrow are very very different things. But even then I think you are more than likely to get a PG 13 if they adapted the Grell run into a film or series of films. I missed that he mentioned Mike Grell's specifically. |
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Mar 10, 2017 1:54:46 GMT -5
True but Arrow and Mike Grell's Green Arrow are very very different things. But even then I think you are more than likely to get a PG 13 if they adapted the Grell run into a film or series of films. I missed that he mentioned Mike Grell's specifically. No worries. I just recently finally finished the Grell written run.Well finally got every issue. I got a bunch that I have never read. Really Longbow Hunters would work as a film then the rest of the Grell monthly title run as a tv show. But with Arrow being around I doubt we ever get a Green Arrow show. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 10, 2017 2:06:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind a R-rated Batman film that has Victor Zsaz or Killer Croc as the main villains.
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Post by Chainsaw on Mar 10, 2017 7:15:35 GMT -5
The thing is, DC doesn't have a lot of properties that naturally lend themselves to an R-Rated movie. The one title that stands out in my mind that could is The Authority, but being a WildStorm property, WB probably wouldn't even consider it on their radar. I would love to see an Authority movie, but they'd probably completely overlook it. Just a lot of WB also-ran bluster from them that will ultimately result in another misplaced attempt to be cool (probably The Batman being R-rated for no reason.)
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Mar 10, 2017 8:52:19 GMT -5
I'd be more interested if DC/Warners announced they were developing some G-rated adaptions. That'd be something different. Is it even possible to do a G-rated comic book movie, at all, period? The rating system is so draconian that if there's even violence in the way of a fighting it's an automatic PG-13...and if there's even confrontation, disagreement, or any form of conflict (even if they're just disagree on something), it's a PG rating. Considering superhero stories are about conflict at its core in any way, shape, or form, nothing can get you that low. I was really joking more than anything. Like it'd be the Justice League rescuing puppies from trees, and having tea parties and shit. Bright colors, just a total sugar fest. |
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Post by MC Blowfish on Mar 10, 2017 9:14:44 GMT -5
Marvel and Disney aren't even making R rated film. FOX is.... Yeah exactly. Didn't a Disney guy say that they're not interested in ever doing an R-Rated film? (Huge advocate for Fox never selling the X-men rights back over here. Fox has their issues creatively but they allow way more freedom than Disney ever has with their comic stuff or their new super safe wal-mart brand Star Wars) Did you not say that Star Wars was super safe? Because it seems to me you did. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Mar 10, 2017 9:22:45 GMT -5
Yeah exactly. Didn't a Disney guy say that they're not interested in ever doing an R-Rated film? (Huge advocate for Fox never selling the X-men rights back over here. Fox has their issues creatively but they allow way more freedom than Disney ever has with their comic stuff or their new super safe wal-mart brand Star Wars) Did you not say that Star Wars was super safe? Because it seems to me you did. Yeah I did. Super Safe in terms of what we see in the movie. There's not a lot of new risky ideas so far. Characters being offed isn't risky when its been established for about 30 years that they're dead. Hey! Maybe it'll change with the next movie. Im definitely hoping they start to spread their wings and try new things! The thing is, DC doesn't have a lot of properties that naturally lend themselves to an R-Rated movie. The one title that stands out in my mind that could is The Authority, but being a WildStorm property, WB probably wouldn't even consider it on their radar. I would love to see an Authority movie, but they'd probably completely overlook it. Just a lot of WB also-ran bluster from them that will ultimately result in another misplaced attempt to be cool (probably The Batman being R-rated for no reason.) Yeah I don't see Batman getting the R rating. Of the current slate Black Adam seems likely? But who knows. Justice League Dark like I said before but that movie is in an early early early state. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Mar 10, 2017 9:23:34 GMT -5
I'd say the cut-off was the first Avengers movie for me. They lack a significant enough level of distinction or individual voice from the writer/directors to make any one really stand out over another. Winter Solider, I'm told, is the exception. Though the financial success of the films are unprecedented, I was pretty let down after the first wave of films. I was hoping that they'd be more creatively diverse in their presentation. As it went on, it became clear that idiosyncratic styles were muted in favor of overall cohesion (again, VERY smart branding by Marvel), which was disappointing for someone like me who is more interested in a director's creative voice than where it "fits" in the universe both in terms of story and in tone. But I'm glad these movies are out there and it's interesting that they're beginning to pull more directors with TV experience to helm the films. Again, totally makes sense because in TV the director's vision is secondary to maintaining the overall flavor/style of the show. I mean, I'm sure that's part of why Wright walked from Ant-Man or you won't see ...I dunno, Wes Anderson directing a Marvel film. Like I said, I'm glad MCU does it like they do - a lot of people get a lot of joy from watching them - but for me it became too repetitive too quickly. I get what you are talking now. I was thinking more in regards to lore and setting. Yeh, the Marvels movies definitely all have a guideline to how they are presented. Honestly, I've never had too much trouble looking at the MCU as individual films beyond the series as a whole. There are only a small handful of films I feel were really geared towards fans of the series over casual moviegoers, namely Age of Ultron and MAYBE some parts of Civil War, easily the least linear out of all of them. But I think those two films still have enough going for them to keep newcomers interested, even with all of the various storylines occurring. So far as maintaining a director's vision, I feel Guardians, for example, is more of a James Gunn film than it is a Kevin Feige production. The two recent Superman films were definitely Snyder projects. The key factor for me is; can I empathize with this protagonist? Do I care about them, and do I want to see them achieve their goal? If the director wants to put forward a unique spin on a character and the studio gives them a long leash to experiment, that's totally fine, but it's not the sole element that makes them entertaining for me. Whether any movie- comic book based or otherwise is aimed at a mass, family oriented audience or if it's R-rated, I have to feel for the hero (or at least understand them if they're a villain protagonist). That's why I can rewatch Civil War even with its complicated plot, because I'm so invested in what's going on with Steve. I was also concerned about what was going to happen to Logan and Deadpool. That was the main thing for me that made them fun, not so much the adult nature of the content (as funny as the zamboni scene was). |
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Mar 10, 2017 10:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Mar 10, 2017 17:24:31 GMT -5
While it is nice to see that the big studios have finally realized that comic book films don't always have to be PG-13 and when done right R rated ones can make money.
But on the other hand I agree with those who think that DC and Warner Bros have most likely gotten the wrong idea from both Deadpool and Logan making a mint at the box office. Because after all they got the stupid idea that since Nolan Batman films were mega successful that all their other comic book films need to be joyless and cynical.
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Post by Jiren on Mar 10, 2017 19:22:32 GMT -5
Midnighter & Apollo would be cool, Plus they'd tick a "Progressive" Box as they're gay.
Their recent mini series was pretty good
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Mar 10, 2017 19:51:40 GMT -5
Don't give a f*** about blood, gore and profanity.
Just want films written, edited, directed and shot competently.
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