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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 11:34:37 GMT -5
That's actually a pretty good pairing. It practically writes itself.
Someone hires Silver Sable to capture & retrieve something Black Cat stole. Turns out that the person who hired Sable is a neo-Nazi (or some kind of bad guy, I dunno) and then Sable & Cat work together to take the bad guy down.
I don't really need it looped into the MCU. It'd be pretty superfluous really considering the size of that world's cast already.
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Post by trollrogue on Mar 23, 2017 15:28:49 GMT -5
Listen, Blade was originally a character who debuted in Spider-Man comics too just like Venom. I didn't see any webheads in the Blade Trilogy though.
Peter Parker isn't needed to make Venom marketable. Just a great script like Deadpool's was.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 23, 2017 16:26:38 GMT -5
Listen, Blade was originally a character who debuted in Spider-Man comics too just like Venom. I didn't see any webheads in the Blade Trilogy though. Peter Parker isn't needed to make Venom marketable. Just a great script like Deadpool's was. Venom is tied way closer to Spider-man than Blade ever was. |
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Post by Chuck Conry on Mar 23, 2017 21:39:23 GMT -5
We don't have to have them right smack into the MCU interacting with everyone else, but I'd be happy if it was established that Venom was taking place in the same universe somehow.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 23, 2017 22:07:02 GMT -5
Listen, Blade was originally a character who debuted in Spider-Man comics too just like Venom. I didn't see any webheads in the Blade Trilogy though. Peter Parker isn't needed to make Venom marketable. Just a great script like Deadpool's was. Venom isn't Venom unless the Symbiote is initially influenced by Parker. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 2:23:37 GMT -5
Listen, Blade was originally a character who debuted in Spider-Man comics too just like Venom. I didn't see any webheads in the Blade Trilogy though. Peter Parker isn't needed to make Venom marketable. Just a great script like Deadpool's was. The difference is that just about everything about Venom beyond, "Guy with alien on him," ties directly to Spider-Man. The symbiote's motivations in large part come from him as does what depth it has, Venom's power set comes from him, a large part of Venom's depth comes from how the two characters play off each other, and even the basic look of Venom makes zero sense for the character without the Spider-Man connection. You can easily divorce, say, Blade, the Punisher, or the Kingpin from Spider-Man because they're not really intrinsically linked to the character but Venom really, really is. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 24, 2017 3:23:13 GMT -5
Listen, Blade was originally a character who debuted in Spider-Man comics too just like Venom. I didn't see any webheads in the Blade Trilogy though. Peter Parker isn't needed to make Venom marketable. Just a great script like Deadpool's was. No, Blade didnt. Blade debuted in and was part of the cast of Marvels Tomb of Dracula series in the 70's. He was not a part of the Spider-Man mini universe at any point in time. Maybe guest appearances but that would be all. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 3:39:54 GMT -5
Listen, Blade was originally a character who debuted in Spider-Man comics too just like Venom. I didn't see any webheads in the Blade Trilogy though. Peter Parker isn't needed to make Venom marketable. Just a great script like Deadpool's was. No, Blade didnt. Blade debuted in and was part of the cast of Marvels Tomb of Dracula series in the 70's. He was not a part of the Spider-Man mini universe at any point in time. Maybe guest appearances but that would be all. Looking it up, since I know nothing about Blade, the point of confusion is probably because the Ultimate version of him debuted in Spider-Man. That or that he appeared in the 90s Spider-Man cartoon. And looks like a tan white guy in it for some reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 10:35:19 GMT -5
Listen, Blade was originally a character who debuted in Spider-Man comics too just like Venom. I didn't see any webheads in the Blade Trilogy though. Peter Parker isn't needed to make Venom marketable. Just a great script like Deadpool's was. That's pretty much how I feel about it. If the script is solid, they could easily do a Venom (or to be more "nerd accurate" a pre-spiderman symbiote movie). He wouldn't have the spider stuff on his chest or shoot webs, but the basic idea of a symbiote story would be easy enough to do. Like a Predator/Species type movie. Probably be more interesting than if they tried to do the convoluted Brock storyline. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 24, 2017 11:23:20 GMT -5
Listen, Blade was originally a character who debuted in Spider-Man comics too just like Venom. I didn't see any webheads in the Blade Trilogy though. Peter Parker isn't needed to make Venom marketable. Just a great script like Deadpool's was. That's pretty much how I feel about it. If the script is solid, they could easily do a Venom (or to be more "nerd accurate" a pre-spiderman symbiote movie). He wouldn't have the spider stuff on his chest or shoot webs, but the basic idea of a symbiote story would be easy enough to do. Like a Predator/Species type movie. Probably be more interesting than if they tried to do the convoluted Brock storyline. that's kinda the point people are making. A Venom movie without being related to Spider-man is not a Venom movie. It could be a fine movie but a lot of what makes Venom, Venom is because of Parker. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Mar 24, 2017 11:28:25 GMT -5
That's pretty much how I feel about it. If the script is solid, they could easily do a Venom (or to be more "nerd accurate" a pre-spiderman symbiote movie). He wouldn't have the spider stuff on his chest or shoot webs, but the basic idea of a symbiote story would be easy enough to do. Like a Predator/Species type movie. Probably be more interesting than if they tried to do the convoluted Brock storyline. that's kinda the point people are making. A Venom movie without being related to Spider-man is not a Venom movie. It could be a fine movie but a lot of what makes Venom, Venom is because of Parker. Yea this would be something completely different and while it could turn out to be a good movie, it still would not be a Venom movie. His one true movie appearance is the one with Topher Grace? They would need Peter Parker for this to work. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 11:29:19 GMT -5
That's pretty much how I feel about it. If the script is solid, they could easily do a Venom (or to be more "nerd accurate" a pre-spiderman symbiote movie). He wouldn't have the spider stuff on his chest or shoot webs, but the basic idea of a symbiote story would be easy enough to do. Like a Predator/Species type movie. Probably be more interesting than if they tried to do the convoluted Brock storyline. that's kinda the point people are making. A Venom movie without being related to Spider-man is not a Venom movie. It could be a fine movie but a lot of what makes Venom, Venom is because of Parker. I know what you mean. But the prospect of a symbiote movie is more interesting to me than a by-the-book Venom movie. The Brock/Parker/Symbiote storyline was always way less interesting to me than the more sci-fi aspects of a straight-up symbiote movie. They could just call it Venom (though I like the title "THE SYMBIOTE" better) and have it roll into a potential "Spiderman v Venom" movie where the symbiote becomes the Venom people recognize from the comics if they wanted. |
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Mar 24, 2017 15:44:43 GMT -5
Listen, Blade was originally a character who debuted in Spider-Man comics too just like Venom. I didn't see any webheads in the Blade Trilogy though. Peter Parker isn't needed to make Venom marketable. Just a great script like Deadpool's was. Blade first appeared in Tomb of Dracula not Spiderman. EDIT-Shit,this is what I get for hitting reply before reading the rest of the thread. Now I look like an idiot for repeating info that has already been stated. Sorry about that Guys and Ladies. Anyways,never been much of a fan of Venom. But I am of the mind that Spider-man should have ended when Peter finished High school.Sure since then there has been a few decent runs. But for me nothing compares to the Lee/Ditko and then Lee/Romita runs. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 24, 2017 16:41:06 GMT -5
Listen, Blade was originally a character who debuted in Spider-Man comics too just like Venom. I didn't see any webheads in the Blade Trilogy though. Peter Parker isn't needed to make Venom marketable. Just a great script like Deadpool's was. Blade first appeared in Tomb of Dracula not Spiderman. EDIT-Shit,this is what I get for hitting reply before reading the rest of the thread. Now I look like an idiot for repeating info that has already been stated. Sorry about that Guys and Ladies. Anyways,never been much of a fan of Venom. But I am of the mind that Spider-man should have ended when Peter finished High school.Sure since then there has been a few decent runs. But for me nothing compares to the Lee/Ditko and then Lee/Romita runs. Parker graduated High School in issue 28 of Amazing Spider-man. Well before Lee/Ditko's run ended let alone Lee/Romita's. Hell overall he was only a High School student for a grand total of 3 years all things told. |
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Post by Fade on Mar 24, 2017 19:17:55 GMT -5
Lets say this happens...who the hell would you even cast as venom?
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Post by trollrogue on Mar 24, 2017 23:00:31 GMT -5
Lets say this happens...who the hell would you even cast as venom? The Rock. Legit. |
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Post by trollrogue on Mar 24, 2017 23:05:00 GMT -5
Listen, Blade was originally a character who debuted in Spider-Man comics too just like Venom. I didn't see any webheads in the Blade Trilogy though. Peter Parker isn't needed to make Venom marketable. Just a great script like Deadpool's was. Blade first appeared in Tomb of Dracula not Spiderman. EDIT-Shit,this is what I get for hitting reply before reading the rest of the thread. Now I look like an idiot for repeating info that has already been stated. Sorry about that Guys and Ladies. Anyways,never been much of a fan of Venom. But I am of the mind that Spider-man should have ended when Peter finished High school.Sure since then there has been a few decent runs. But for me nothing compares to the Lee/Ditko and then Lee/Romita runs. Yeah as someone above mentioned I was for some reason thinking of the Fox Kids 'Amazing Spider-Man' (before the Spectacular Spider-Man legendary run) cartoon which was my first exposure to Blade before the Snipes movies came out. Venom has always been lackluster in comics by himself without Spider-Man tagging along and I think the problem is that he hasn't done anything in the MCU of note outside of the Maximum Carnage saga (which co-starred Spider-Man of course). An original story with him and a few anti-heroes in the MCU could be the perfect response to DC's Suicide Squad. |
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Mar 25, 2017 0:43:53 GMT -5
Blade first appeared in Tomb of Dracula not Spiderman. EDIT-Shit,this is what I get for hitting reply before reading the rest of the thread. Now I look like an idiot for repeating info that has already been stated. Sorry about that Guys and Ladies. Anyways,never been much of a fan of Venom. But I am of the mind that Spider-man should have ended when Peter finished High school.Sure since then there has been a few decent runs. But for me nothing compares to the Lee/Ditko and then Lee/Romita runs. Parker graduated High School in issue 28 of Amazing Spider-man. Well before Lee/Ditko's run ended let alone Lee/Romita's. Hell overall he was only a High School student for a grand total of 3 years all things told. I mis-spoke meant college not high school. I am losing so much old school comic geek cred today LOL. It is odd even though I find the Silver Age Marvel Superhero stuff to be better than the Silver Age Superhero stuff,the only Marvel Silver age superhero stuff I can read over and over is the first 100 or so issues of Spidey,the Ditko run on Dr Strange and Nick Fury Agent of Shield. With DC silver age,and hell even the Bronze age,I love their non-Superhero stuff. Their war,horror and sci fi anthology titles were amazing. |
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Mar 25, 2017 13:46:35 GMT -5
I don't want any Venom unless he has the spider symbol on his chest and if he isn't connected to Spider-man then why would he have it? I say do the SECRET WARS.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 25, 2017 14:17:47 GMT -5
Others covered it, but yeah, Blade's whole existence isn't tied to Spider-man like Venom is. That's a comparison that just doesn't work at all.
If you were saying something like I don't know Rocket Racer or Will o' the Wisp not being dependent on Spider-man cuz of Blade, then sure.
Can you have Venom without Spider-man? Sure, you can have guy with alien symbiote powers etc. But that's not Venom. Not trying to precious about it, but that entire character as it was created hinges on Spidey.
You can do it without it, but you lose out on a lot in the process.
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