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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 2, 2017 19:55:16 GMT -5
If you'd told me in `1994 that Billy was even a little bit into rasslin, let alone this much, I probably wouldn't have believed it.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 2, 2017 19:55:24 GMT -5
He basically bought the rights to the letters and even then he can't merchandise them because the other NWA has the copyright on it for t-shirts. The National Wrestling Alliance has sold shirts with their logo on it for decades. Nothing has changed. They can sell their own shirts. ![](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sepzWTOYTCY/UTZ0LO073yI/AAAAAAAADb0/xcIzwyWKlds/s1600/nwa-atlantic+canada-wrestling+shirts.JPG) Look at those closely - there's no TM, R or copyright 'c' symbol on them that I can see. They're flying by on the notion that they're under the radar and won't get noticed by lawyers, but they have no legal legs to stand on. For clothing, the rap group definitely has the trademark rights to "NWA" - www.trademarkencyclopedia.com/nwa/ The NWA (wrestling) has gotten away with it for years because they're a microscopic blip on the radar; if Billy plans on making this thing bigger, he's going to draw attention, especially from others in the same music business he's in, and *that* is when the lawyers will notice. (For those that aren't up to speed on how trademarks work, a trademark isn't across the board for all things; you have to get one for each type of merch/product you're wanting to move, broken down into categories. NWA (rap) holds the TMs on clothing goods and "live events featuring musicians" but I can't find anything else. What this means is that not only can the NWA (wrestling) not make clothing of any sort with NWA on it (legally, at least), this also means that - technically speaking - Billy couldn't advertise a mini-concert or the like at any wrestling shows. He's clear to make things like toys/figures or cooking utensils with the NWA name on it, but not shirts, jackets or headbands)
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 20:19:45 GMT -5
trademarks.justia.com/owners/international-wrestling-corp-llc-2421748/Description of Mark The mark consists of Globe with outlines of continents; Men, stylized, depicted in caricature form; Men depicted engaged in the sport of wrestling; Squares that are partially shaded containing the letters NWA; Letters above and below the globe forming the words NATIONAL WRESTLING ALLIANCE. Goods and Services Clothing, namely, T-shirts, sweatshirts, collared shirts, jackets, sweatpants, sweatsuits, shorts, and headbands
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 2, 2017 20:35:34 GMT -5
trademarks.justia.com/873/92/national-wrestling-alliance-87392936.htmlDescription of Mark The mark consists of Globe with outlines of continents; Men, stylized, depicted in caricature form; Men depicted engaged in the sport of wrestling; Squares that are partially shaded containing the letters NWA; Letters above and below the globe forming the words NATIONAL WRESTLING ALLIANCE. Goods and Services Clothing, namely, T-shirts, sweatshirts, collared shirts, jackets, sweatpants, sweatsuits, shorts, and headbands That's an application, not a full registered trademark that's gone through the whole legal process. It was just filed a month ago. Also notice that the word mark is "National Wrestling Alliance NWA" and not just "NWA" - I can absolutely, 100% guarantee you that if they do manage to get the TM approved and they're challenged on the "NWA" part of it, they'll lose. Same way that one company lost when Paris Hilton sued and won against that company that had shirts that said something like "Fast Service That's Hot" because she owned the TM on "That's Hot"
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 20:40:58 GMT -5
Revised link lists the prior ones. Looks like the previous one was in effect from 2006 until the end of 2016. The other link is the 2017 application. Tharpe has many shortcomings, but as a lawyer himself, he could legally sell NWA shirts while he was running it (except for maybe the past 4 months). trademarks.justia.com/owners/international-wrestling-corp-llc-2421748/
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Post by Reflecto on May 2, 2017 22:52:33 GMT -5
Does this effect any o the indys that use the nwa name? I'm confused about that Undetermined as of now. It's all going to depend on exactly what Billy has in mind in terms of restructuring the system. If he wants to do a WWE style promotion with its own internal "brands" and sub-promotions, he'll likely phase the old NWA indies out when their renewals come up. Same thing if he wants to do franchising but has a different idea of which indy feds he wants to be part of it. Or he could be totally happy with handing the name out to every promoter with a few bucks for the rest of time. Who knows. I think I heard the plan is to let all the current licensees' contracts expire, which usually happens annually anyway. So, if Corgan's building up the plans, this would start a possible new promotion outright.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 4:39:54 GMT -5
Presumably, he bought it because he intends on actually doing something with it. Probably producing some sort of television show, which he likely had plans for, had things ended differently between he and Impact. Hopefully he maintains the same spirit as the NWA of old by allowing regional affiliates into the fold, and he simply dictates the content of the main television show.
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Post by northernmonkey on May 3, 2017 15:06:40 GMT -5
DESPITE ALL MY RAGE I CANT REVIVE THE NWA
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on May 3, 2017 15:17:44 GMT -5
He definitely has a lot to work on in terms of reviving a brand that has been DOA since Shane Douglas's infamous ECW promo...for every little ray of sunshine that the NWA has featured, there is a bigger pile of shit that has been presented. The talent is out there for Corgan to build a solid base out of, but he needs to coral them into a possible national touring entity and try to dust off the stink that has plagued the brand for almost 25 years.
Best of luck Billy....I'm pulling for you.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 3, 2017 15:32:52 GMT -5
Revised link lists the prior ones. Looks like the previous one was in effect from 2006 until the end of 2016. The other link is the 2017 application. Tharpe has many shortcomings, but as a lawyer himself, he could legally sell NWA shirts while he was running it (except for maybe the past 4 months). trademarks.justia.com/owners/international-wrestling-corp-llc-2421748/I guess we need to take a wait-n-see approach. I'm positive I'm correct on this, but also concede there's enough present to make an argument (one I don't believe is winnable, but nonetheless). The only out I see for them is if there is some provision regarding acronyms that I'm ignorant of. That's their only hope if there's some sort of loophole. I know for sure that a shirt with just "NWA" on it isn't going to fly if they get called out on it, no matter what they've done or sold in the past.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 3, 2017 17:09:59 GMT -5
All I can read is "This bald clown gave a shit ton of cash for three letters and blurry tapes". Well I wish Mr Corgan the best of luck, Tim Storm vs Aiden O'Shea is a main event anywhere in the world, er country, town? Arena? High school gym? Flea market. Yes a flea market. In TX/LA/MS Storm is a decent sized name and draw. Mostly cause of TCW.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on May 3, 2017 17:12:17 GMT -5
The National Wrestling Alliance has sold shirts with their logo on it for decades. Nothing has changed. They can sell their own shirts. ![](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sepzWTOYTCY/UTZ0LO073yI/AAAAAAAADb0/xcIzwyWKlds/s1600/nwa-atlantic+canada-wrestling+shirts.JPG) Look at those closely - there's no TM, R or copyright 'c' symbol on them that I can see. They're flying by on the notion that they're under the radar and won't get noticed by lawyers, but they have no legal legs to stand on. For clothing, the rap group definitely has the trademark rights to "NWA" - www.trademarkencyclopedia.com/nwa/ The NWA (wrestling) has gotten away with it for years because they're a microscopic blip on the radar; if Billy plans on making this thing bigger, he's going to draw attention, especially from others in the same music business he's in, and *that* is when the lawyers will notice. (For those that aren't up to speed on how trademarks work, a trademark isn't across the board for all things; you have to get one for each type of merch/product you're wanting to move, broken down into categories. NWA (rap) holds the TMs on clothing goods and "live events featuring musicians" but I can't find anything else. What this means is that not only can the NWA (wrestling) not make clothing of any sort with NWA on it (legally, at least), this also means that - technically speaking - Billy couldn't advertise a mini-concert or the like at any wrestling shows. He's clear to make things like toys/figures or cooking utensils with the NWA name on it, but not shirts, jackets or headbands) I own one of the red NWA polos and a green one. Somewhere got a pic of me in the red one with Tracy smothers.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 3, 2017 18:00:27 GMT -5
I'd laugh if somehow Corgan's NWA ended up on Spike.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 3, 2017 20:11:19 GMT -5
All I can read is "This bald clown gave a shit ton of cash for three letters and blurry tapes". Well I wish Mr Corgan the best of luck, Tim Storm vs Aiden O'Shea is a main event anywhere in the world, er country, town? Arena? High school gym? Flea market. Yes a flea market. In TX/LA/MS Storm is a decent sized name and draw. Mostly cause of TCW. Ok how much of a draw? More than 30 people at a high school gym? Can he make a living from wrestling?
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Post by corndog on May 3, 2017 21:46:08 GMT -5
This is what Corgan got....
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on May 4, 2017 7:16:19 GMT -5
I always have been curious about which was corgan's favorite company while growing up?
He really must love his rasslin
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on May 4, 2017 9:10:43 GMT -5
Revised link lists the prior ones. Looks like the previous one was in effect from 2006 until the end of 2016. The other link is the 2017 application. Tharpe has many shortcomings, but as a lawyer himself, he could legally sell NWA shirts while he was running it (except for maybe the past 4 months). trademarks.justia.com/owners/international-wrestling-corp-llc-2421748/I guess we need to take a wait-n-see approach. I'm positive I'm correct on this, but also concede there's enough present to make an argument (one I don't believe is winnable, but nonetheless). The only out I see for them is if there is some provision regarding acronyms that I'm ignorant of. That's their only hope if there's some sort of loophole. I know for sure that a shirt with just "NWA" on it isn't going to fly if they get called out on it, no matter what they've done or sold in the past. All of the merch in the picture say "NWA - National Wrestling Alliance", so maybe that's ok, but not "NWA" alone, as you said?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 4, 2017 9:22:36 GMT -5
I guess we need to take a wait-n-see approach. I'm positive I'm correct on this, but also concede there's enough present to make an argument (one I don't believe is winnable, but nonetheless). The only out I see for them is if there is some provision regarding acronyms that I'm ignorant of. That's their only hope if there's some sort of loophole. I know for sure that a shirt with just "NWA" on it isn't going to fly if they get called out on it, no matter what they've done or sold in the past. All of the merch in the picture say "NWA - National Wrestling Alliance", so maybe that's ok, but not "NWA" alone, as you said? Well as he said. That's an application, not a full registered trademark that's gone through the whole legal process. It was just filed a month ago. Also notice that the word mark is "National Wrestling Alliance NWA" and not just "NWA" - I can absolutely, 100% guarantee you that if they do manage to get the TM approved and they're challenged on the "NWA" part of it, they'll lose. Same way that one company lost when Paris Hilton sued and won against that company that had shirts that said something like "Fast Service That's Hot" because she owned the TM on "That's Hot"
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on May 4, 2017 9:39:09 GMT -5
All of the merch in the picture say "NWA - National Wrestling Alliance", so maybe that's ok, but not "NWA" alone, as you said? Well as he said. That's an application, not a full registered trademark that's gone through the whole legal process. It was just filed a month ago. Also notice that the word mark is "National Wrestling Alliance NWA" and not just "NWA" - I can absolutely, 100% guarantee you that if they do manage to get the TM approved and they're challenged on the "NWA" part of it, they'll lose. Same way that one company lost when Paris Hilton sued and won against that company that had shirts that said something like "Fast Service That's Hot" because she owned the TM on "That's Hot" Well, so much for me reading properly...
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 4, 2017 10:18:33 GMT -5
I guess we need to take a wait-n-see approach. I'm positive I'm correct on this, but also concede there's enough present to make an argument (one I don't believe is winnable, but nonetheless). The only out I see for them is if there is some provision regarding acronyms that I'm ignorant of. That's their only hope if there's some sort of loophole. I know for sure that a shirt with just "NWA" on it isn't going to fly if they get called out on it, no matter what they've done or sold in the past. All of the merch in the picture say "NWA - National Wrestling Alliance", so maybe that's ok, but not "NWA" alone, as you said? Second image on that page is a simple "NWA" with nothing else.
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