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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 6, 2017 1:59:33 GMT -5
So why didn't Vince eventually buy the nwa? Couldn't be that expensive. Might as well finish off his job of owning wrestling history. (Even if it's a tiny bit) Seems to me it's somewhat all about pride. Bruce Tharpe seems like a guy who wants to have something mostly his to have it and Vince isn't exactly going to let him have a position in the NWA if the NWA title just becomes a hanging prop for HHH's office wall. And, probably in his mind, he sees it as a minor victory that he (now Corgan) has something Vince can't have or even barely need...well, until this whole thing backfires and Corgan hands the whole thing to Vince for a sweet quick buck. and again other than like a feather in the cap there is very little to what Corgan actually owns that Vince would want.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on May 6, 2017 5:06:28 GMT -5
I just find it interesting how the moment that both NWA and TNA started to go on the downhill slide to their current laughing stocks, was when TNA ditched the NWA belt in 2007.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 6, 2017 5:16:59 GMT -5
Yeah, as to why Corgan doesn't invest in a British indy, the pretty obvious answer is: HHH already turned all the worthwhile ones into developmental territories.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 6, 2017 6:20:34 GMT -5
That and Corgan isn't British, being as hands as Corgan seems to want to be would require a lot of travel so it's probably easier to set something up where he's currently based, which is most likely what will happen.
What amuses me about the whole LOLNWA stuff, is the promotion has been a joke for decades, yet it somehow managed to be fertile ground for promotions to grow from, admittedly they usually grow faster when they cut the NWA loose. Owning the brand outright means Coran won't have any kind of politics or interference to deal with snd he can keep the title, the brand and the lineage, for what that's worth, without having to share his toys.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 19:25:58 GMT -5
My only drawback to this, besides the fact he can't make a lot of money on it, is that he would have a lot to deal with as far as national deals on television go.
Though, building the credibility of NWA is far more daunting.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 19:26:55 GMT -5
It's not a huge surprise, since JCP/WCW did a lot of bigger shows in Chicago once they started expanding, it was always a good market for them. I thought that chicago was an AWA territory? Chicago was, but aside from two of the three Super Clash events, they moved their base to Las Vegas, essentially.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 13, 2017 19:51:06 GMT -5
I just find it interesting how the moment that both NWA and TNA started to go on the downhill slide to their current laughing stocks, was when TNA ditched the NWA belt in 2007. Depends how you look at it. The NWA title had *some* credibility when it was being utilized by TNA, but nowhere near what it once was, but you have to remember that for about ten years prior to its use in TNA, it was already a laughing stock, with guys like Mike Rapada buying his reign, Dan Severn holding it for about a hundred years without ever getting any sort of notice anywhere, and the constant tourneys for it because no one really wanted it before that.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 14:09:18 GMT -5
I just find it interesting how the moment that both NWA and TNA started to go on the downhill slide to their current laughing stocks, was when TNA ditched the NWA belt in 2007. Depends how you look at it. The NWA title had *some* credibility when it was being utilized by TNA, but nowhere near what it once was, but you have to remember that for about ten years prior to its use in TNA, it was already a laughing stock, with guys like Mike Rapada buying his reign, Dan Severn holding it for about a hundred years without ever getting any sort of notice anywhere, and the constant tourneys for it because no one really wanted it before that. Did/do they still have to put a deposit down? Like after it left WCW?
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Post by lizzurd on May 14, 2017 16:14:59 GMT -5
So why didn't Vince eventually buy the nwa? Couldn't be that expensive. Might as well finish off his job of owning wrestling history. (Even if it's a tiny bit) Seems to me it's somewhat all about pride. Bruce Tharpe seems like a guy who wants to have something mostly his to have it and Vince isn't exactly going to let him have a position in the NWA if the NWA title just becomes a hanging prop for HHH's office wall. It already is though. H owns the one that Harley, Flair, and Dusty all had aka The One That Matters. ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8PXuXUCQAAUgMl.jpg)
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 22:13:33 GMT -5
My only drawback to this, besides the fact he can't make a lot of money on it, is that he would have a lot to deal with as far as national deals on television go. Though, building the credibility of NWA is far more daunting. Actually, there's no reason he can't make some good money on this and rebuild the NWA name. All it takes is producing a quality show that people want to watch. As a millionaire, he has the financial means to put on basically whatever show he wants to, in an attempt to make a go of this. He could have done it under a fresh name, if he chose to, but instead he decided he wants to call it the NWA. Good for him, and for wrestling history, that someone's trying to keep it going. But under any name, it's all just going to come down to the quality of the product to determine if it's successful or a failure.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 22:19:47 GMT -5
My only drawback to this, besides the fact he can't make a lot of money on it, is that he would have a lot to deal with as far as national deals on television go. Though, building the credibility of NWA is far more daunting. Actually, there's no reason he can't make some good money on this and rebuild the NWA name. All it takes is producing a quality show that people want to watch. As a millionaire, he has the financial means to put on basically whatever show he wants to, in an attempt to make a go of this. He could have done it under a fresh name, if he chose to, but instead he decided he wants to call it the NWA. Good for him, and for wrestling history, that someone's trying to keep it going. But under any name, it's all just going to come down to the quality of the product to determine if it's successful or a failure. One thing he can do is increase the online presence. Several NWA affiliates, including the one based in central Indiana, have YouTube accounts, but barely get 200 hits. Maybe if he can lend support to these groups, just maybe they can build on that, & use that presence to increase revenue and star awareness. It's an uphill climb but as long as he abstains from going ultra political, that's another bonus.
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Post by Reflecto on May 14, 2017 22:46:30 GMT -5
The deal has been finalized.
In addition to the "intangible names/trademarks/rights" and "A belt", Corgan will also receive something more tangible- he now gets the NWA On Demand channel they have and takes over Bruce Tharpe's claims over the Paul Boesch Houston library.
So it's not entirely as small as it seemed to be beforehand, but still kind of small. (The Houston library will be a good pickup, though- and getting the NWA On Demand is a big plus to give Corgan a place to show whatever this becomes.)
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 14, 2017 23:15:23 GMT -5
Well, that depends - was there ever confirmation that Tharpe and NWA On Demand actually owned the Houston footage or just licensing it from the actual owners? Most everything I've heard placed it as the latter, and if that's true, then Billy still doesn't own it, just the limited rights to air it.
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Post by Reflecto on May 15, 2017 0:53:13 GMT -5
Well, that depends - was there ever confirmation that Tharpe and NWA On Demand actually owned the Houston footage or just licensing it from the actual owners? Most everything I've heard placed it as the latter, and if that's true, then Billy still doesn't own it, just the limited rights to air it. I think the claim was that yes, he's licensing it from the actual owners. However, it's still a net positive, since I think Corgan also licenses footage of old matches from the Chicago territory, potentially doubling the amount of possible stuff is on NWA On Demand right there.
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Post by Dragonfly on May 15, 2017 0:55:44 GMT -5
I just find it interesting how the moment that both NWA and TNA started to go on the downhill slide to their current laughing stocks, was when TNA ditched the NWA belt in 2007. Depends how you look at it. The NWA title had *some* credibility when it was being utilized by TNA, but nowhere near what it once was, but you have to remember that for about ten years prior to its use in TNA, it was already a laughing stock, with guys like Mike Rapada buying his reign, Dan Severn holding it for about a hundred years without ever getting any sort of notice anywhere, and the constant tourneys for it because no one really wanted it before that. I've been reading about Naoya Ogawa's first title win - Antonio Inoki, an attempted coup involving NWA New England and a Shane Douglas adjacent phantom title reign to hide the fact that the new champ couldn't get into the country. Mike Rapada, Tim Storm and Sabu's weird six-week run look like genius moves compared to that shit show.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 15, 2017 6:33:01 GMT -5
So any updates on this soon to be defunct promotion?
I'm legit curious if Corgan makes Aiden O'Shea the NWA champ the amount of apathy lol
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 15, 2017 7:43:03 GMT -5
Well, that depends - was there ever confirmation that Tharpe and NWA On Demand actually owned the Houston footage or just licensing it from the actual owners? Most everything I've heard placed it as the latter, and if that's true, then Billy still doesn't own it, just the limited rights to air it. I think the claim was that yes, he's licensing it from the actual owners. However, it's still a net positive, since I think Corgan also licenses footage of old matches from the Chicago territory, potentially doubling the amount of possible stuff is on NWA On Demand right there. I *think* he actually owns that Chicago footage, but not absolutely sure. But that's the elephant in the room on this thing. Okay, so he's got two footage libraries at his disposal - one's mostly black-and-white stuff from the 1950s and one's a sort-of "best of the other territories" promotion that didn't really do angles or storylines. Much as I hate saying this...so what? How is he, as we near 2020, going to market that and make something successful out of that? WWE has had a bit of a rocky go with their own Network since its inception, and they have an exponentially larger library plus new, live PPV stuff as well as NXT, etc. Sure, he'd get some hardcores subscribing, but with a limited library, most of them would burn through what they wanted to watch of it in a matter of weeks or months (if they haven't already while it was under Tharpe). It's almost like if someone started a Westerns Network for old TV oaters, but all they had were the complete runs of Gunsmoke and Wagon Trail. Kind of. I wish nothing but the best for Corgan on this - I'm genuinely excited someone who cares is trying to do something here, but until there's something more to this other than the name and a couple of limited libraries, I'm just not seeing this as something that can be marketed well in this day and age.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 15, 2017 8:47:34 GMT -5
Almost no one is goin to give a shit about that footage. Certain not in numbers that would be a blip on yhe radar
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 15, 2017 9:02:44 GMT -5
Almost no one is goin to give a shit about that footage. Certain not in numbers that would be a blip on yhe radar Exactly - and this is coming from someone whose first introduction to wrestling was Houston wrestling and whose first wrestling tape was old Chicago footage. There's a reason Tharpe let this "huge" endeavor with his network go so fast.
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Post by Reflecto on May 15, 2017 16:09:21 GMT -5
I think the claim was that yes, he's licensing it from the actual owners. However, it's still a net positive, since I think Corgan also licenses footage of old matches from the Chicago territory, potentially doubling the amount of possible stuff is on NWA On Demand right there. I *think* he actually owns that Chicago footage, but not absolutely sure. But that's the elephant in the room on this thing. Okay, so he's got two footage libraries at his disposal - one's mostly black-and-white stuff from the 1950s and one's a sort-of "best of the other territories" promotion that didn't really do angles or storylines. Much as I hate saying this...so what? How is he, as we near 2020, going to market that and make something successful out of that? WWE has had a bit of a rocky go with their own Network since its inception, and they have an exponentially larger library plus new, live PPV stuff as well as NXT, etc. Sure, he'd get some hardcores subscribing, but with a limited library, most of them would burn through what they wanted to watch of it in a matter of weeks or months (if they haven't already while it was under Tharpe). It's almost like if someone started a Westerns Network for old TV oaters, but all they had were the complete runs of Gunsmoke and Wagon Trail. Kind of. I wish nothing but the best for Corgan on this - I'm genuinely excited someone who cares is trying to do something here, but until there's something more to this other than the name and a couple of limited libraries, I'm just not seeing this as something that can be marketed well in this day and age. From what I was told on another board talking about this same story, Corgan owns a lot of old photos/posters/scorecards from Chicago wrestling, but he only licenses the footage and the Chicago Film Archive owns it. And either way, the same point is there. Right now, Corgan doesn't have much in the way of libraries, and WWE owns most of the really tempting NWA footage available (or it's been lost to time) so there's no hope of getting more for the NWA On Demand site... ...UNLESS CORGAN OPENS A NEW PROMOTION. If (and likely WHEN) that happens, Corgan would have his own streaming channel in order to distribute his promotion without a TV network behind it, plus two smaller libraries that give slightly more value and pushes the NWA's channel above the other promotion-specific streaming services (not to mention the fact the smaller channels which also have some wrestling on them.) Right there, that's the only way that the NWA On Demand makes any sense for a good purchase. It'll never beat the WWE's footage...and even the Anthem footage for TNA would beat out NWA On Demand's footage, to be honest. The fact the NWA still hasn't gotten its Roku channel working is still an issue to get it seen by as many eyes as possible, and they would need to fix that to help start a success, even before competing with WWE Network, FloSlam, HighSpots, or any of the promotion-centric streaming channels
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