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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 15, 2017 16:50:34 GMT -5
There's no audience to make any sort of streaming channel financially feasible, promotion or not.
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Post by Reflecto on May 15, 2017 17:15:19 GMT -5
There's no audience to make any sort of streaming channel financially feasible, promotion or not. But at the same time, there's no audience to make any TV channel feasible for a new promotion to get either. Between cutting the cord, WWE being the brand name and the only one TV networks (begrudgingly) give TV time at reduced rates, and TNA's woes for the last couple years effectively salting the earth on cable television so there's virtually no hope of anyone getting a TV deal again, there's almost no chance of it. Right now, it's sad to say, the best option is to try and go with NWA shows on streaming and then hope AMC's still interested in the pitch for that reality show from a few years ago of "It's the guy from Smashing Pumpkins...running a WRESTLING promotion? Isn't that kooky?"
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 15, 2017 17:25:02 GMT -5
There's no audience to make any sort of streaming channel financially feasible, promotion or not. But at the same time, there's no audience to make any TV channel feasible for a new promotion to get either. No, but if you were to make a new TV channel, you'd at least try and assemble something an audience might want to watch. I mean, I get the cost cutting argument but there's a difference between launching a service with repeats of old sitcoms that have relevance and launching a service with old stuff that's only selling point is that it's old because that's basically all Corgan has. And honestly, after the LAST Corgan wrestling promotion docu-series, I feel that he might have screwed the pooch on having anyone interested in that sort of show.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 0:56:50 GMT -5
There's always an audience of wrestling fans, if they are given a quality product to support.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 23:07:26 GMT -5
Didn't take long for Corgan to be an idiot.
Apparently, he was negotiating a deal to partner with TNA before the Ed Nordholm fiasco right now.
So much for hope.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 25, 2017 6:28:47 GMT -5
As long as he doesn't speak publicly ever.
Never ever ever never ever talk on the microphone in public ever ever ever ever again.
And it has a shot.
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 25, 2017 9:03:07 GMT -5
Didn't take long for Corgan to be an idiot. Apparently, he was negotiating a deal to partner with TNA before the Ed Nordholm fiasco right now. So much for hope. There is a long list of idiots who thought a partnership with TNA would work including NJPW and ROH.
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Post by Fundertaker on May 25, 2017 9:12:36 GMT -5
Didn't take long for Corgan to be an idiot. Apparently, he was negotiating a deal to partner with TNA before the Ed Nordholm fiasco right now. So much for hope. There is a long list of idiots who thought a partnership with TNA would work including NJPW and ROH. For now ending with both NOAH and AAA. For now.
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Post by corndog on May 25, 2017 10:18:01 GMT -5
There is a long list of idiots who thought a partnership with TNA would work including NJPW and ROH. For now ending with both NOAH and AAA. For now. Those companies aren't much better than TNA in their current state. AAA may be an even bigger disaster at the current moment.
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Post by Fundertaker on May 25, 2017 10:31:26 GMT -5
For now ending with both NOAH and AAA. For now. Those companies aren't much better than TNA in their current state. AAA may be an even bigger disaster at the current moment. Oh believe me, I know. But at least they can still draw in some hundreds of people to their shows easily. And AAA was always a mess management wise, from what I remember (NOAH's just in a steady decline for the past decade).
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 25, 2017 11:24:57 GMT -5
Didn't take long for Corgan to be an idiot. Apparently, he was negotiating a deal to partner with TNA before the Ed Nordholm fiasco right now. So much for hope. There is a long list of idiots who thought a partnership with TNA would work including NJPW and ROH. At the same time though they weren't personally screwed over by the current management... Billy was.
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Post by corndog on May 25, 2017 11:32:19 GMT -5
Those companies aren't much better than TNA in their current state. AAA may be an even bigger disaster at the current moment. Oh believe me, I know. But at least they can still draw in some hundreds of people to their shows easily. And AAA was always a mess management wise, from what I remember (NOAH's just in a steady decline for the past decade). I will admit AAA can still draw crowds, despite being a complete dumpster fire. As far as NOAH, while they have been in decline for a while, they are in dangerous territory now as the new ownership seems to be a nightmare for them. For a while they have been able to at least maintain themselves as a clear #2 to New Japan in Japan, but now that isn't that the case at all. Infact, other companies are outdrawing them and one ironically being a reborn All Japan.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 25, 2017 11:49:42 GMT -5
Oh believe me, I know. But at least they can still draw in some hundreds of people to their shows easily. And AAA was always a mess management wise, from what I remember (NOAH's just in a steady decline for the past decade). I will admit AAA can still draw crowds, despite being a complete dumpster fire. As far as NOAH, while they have been in decline for a while, they are in dangerous territory now as the new ownership seems to be a nightmare for them. For a while they have been able to at least maintain themselves as a clear #2 to New Japan in Japan, but now that isn't that the case at all. Infact, other companies are outdrawing them and one ironically being a reborn All Japan. I thought NOAH was owned by New Japan now? That's why Suzuki-Gun spent so long in NOAH, yes?
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on May 25, 2017 11:52:48 GMT -5
There's no audience to make any sort of streaming channel financially feasible, promotion or not. But at the same time, there's no audience to make any TV channel feasible for a new promotion to get either. Between cutting the cord, WWE being the brand name and the only one TV networks (begrudgingly) give TV time at reduced rates, and TNA's woes for the last couple years effectively salting the earth on cable television so there's virtually no hope of anyone getting a TV deal again, there's almost no chance of it. Right now, it's sad to say, the best option is to try and go with NWA shows on streaming and then hope AMC's still interested in the pitch for that reality show from a few years ago of "It's the guy from Smashing Pumpkins...running a WRESTLING promotion? Isn't that kooky?" You can get TV deals but it will take a long road to get there. TNA didn't just happen and there impact did hurt it in a major way for anybody else but you can do it if you have money and patience. TNA didn't just happen either, They paid to be on the Fox Sport outlets. Once the ratings showed interest they got Spike who just lost the WWE but clearly wanted wrestling but lost the bid war against USA. To get on TV now, you are going to have to be creative on building the Audience to the point a TV network can see that there is in fact interest. ROH is lucky that there owned by a company who owns networks. For anybody else it is a challenge that can be done but you will need money to be willing to loss in the early couple of years I would say it will take. You will likely have to start uploading content to Youtube or something of that, you can get your audience started but with Youtube new policies with Ads, wrestling shows will not get those ads for some kind of income. So your income of any kind will be all about Merchendise and at show Ticket sales. Promote it like crazy and hope you get a lot of viewers. Those viewers if high enough, maybe get your foot in the door for a TV deal. Not a big one like Spike or ext but lower maybe TNA level but the key is how well you promote the brand which TNA never did and still don't. If you can get a big number on the set network you can anyways move up to a bigger one down the line. Key is strong ratings and maintain it for what the network household % is, if you can keep it at a high number that is the highest rated show on the network you start on by a big number. You may get that chance. Another factor is how you run the company can play into that. If you clearly out promoting and if you doing live events at venues and packing them out, instead of a TV studio. Getting people to pay to see your show. That again can help. Which again TNA lacked that. Again can only help your chances at a TV deal. If you can show ok people will play money to see this, why wouldn' they want them on our network? The PPV side would be if you get good numbers even on youtube times strong enough, you could do IPPV events to get some kind of money, getting a contract for standard PPV has to be harder but this can help get there is you show a strong showing in people who ordered this It possible but it not easy, again you would need to be creative and have enough money to loss at the start before you can turn it around. Nothing is over night but a tough road before the green days come.
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Post by Fundertaker on May 25, 2017 11:53:04 GMT -5
I will admit AAA can still draw crowds, despite being a complete dumpster fire. As far as NOAH, while they have been in decline for a while, they are in dangerous territory now as the new ownership seems to be a nightmare for them. For a while they have been able to at least maintain themselves as a clear #2 to New Japan in Japan, but now that isn't that the case at all. Infact, other companies are outdrawing them and one ironically being a reborn All Japan. I thought NOAH was owned by New Japan now? That's why Suzuki-Gun spent so long in NOAH, yes? NJPW owned a part of NOAH yes, but that's no longer the case as of the end of last year. That's also why there's been no NJPW/NOAH crossovers this year.
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Post by lizzurd on May 25, 2017 11:53:59 GMT -5
Oh believe me, I know. But at least they can still draw in some hundreds of people to their shows easily. And AAA was always a mess management wise, from what I remember (NOAH's just in a steady decline for the past decade). For a while they have been able to at least maintain themselves as a clear #2 to New Japan in Japan, but now that isn't that the case at all. Infact, other companies are outdrawing them and one ironically being a reborn All Japan. Really? I thought DDT, Dragon Gate, and Big Japan were regularly outdrawing NOAH by quite a lot after Misawa's death and the yakuza revelations.
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Post by corndog on May 25, 2017 13:04:48 GMT -5
For a while they have been able to at least maintain themselves as a clear #2 to New Japan in Japan, but now that isn't that the case at all. Infact, other companies are outdrawing them and one ironically being a reborn All Japan. Really? I thought DDT, Dragon Gate, and Big Japan were regularly outdrawing NOAH by quite a lot after Misawa's death and the yakuza revelations. Good point about Dragon Gate, actually Dragon Gate has been #2 for a while, so yeah I was wrong. But NOAH was usually above the other smaller feds and now they really aren't. NOAH's payoff/big shows would outdraw DDT and Big Japan, even though they would outdraw NOAH at Korakuen. But NOAH is definitely dying slowly but surely and I am not sure what is going to save them this time.
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Post by chrom on May 25, 2017 13:15:14 GMT -5
Really? I thought DDT, Dragon Gate, and Big Japan were regularly outdrawing NOAH by quite a lot after Misawa's death and the yakuza revelations. Good point about Dragon Gate, actually Dragon Gate has been #2 for a while, so yeah I was wrong. But NOAH was usually above the other smaller feds and now they really aren't. NOAH's payoff/big shows would outdraw DDT and Big Japan, even though they would outdraw NOAH at Korakuen. But NOAH is definitely dying slowly but surely and I am not sure what is going to save them this time. Maybe Jarrett can convince them to invest in Global Gold. But I don't think NOAH's got much of a lifeline unless something happens, A vote of no confidence happened two years ago and Marufuji is now the President and he's trying but the future isn't looking good which is a shame.
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 25, 2017 21:33:16 GMT -5
I will admit AAA can still draw crowds, despite being a complete dumpster fire. Speaking of AAA and dumpster fires, are they reaping anything from the one that went on in CMLL this past week?
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Post by chrom on May 25, 2017 22:03:48 GMT -5
I will admit AAA can still draw crowds, despite being a complete dumpster fire. Speaking of AAA and dumpster fires, are they reaping anything from the one that went on in CMLL this past week? Vampiro's taking a page out of Dutch's book and claiming he know the real story of what happened. And if you check Cubsfan article today on his blog, a pro AAA guy named Leo is applauding them and saying Guerrero shouldn't press charges
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