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Post by H-Virus on Jun 21, 2017 14:34:07 GMT -5
Once Upon A Time is like this too. And without most of the regulars this coming season, I don't see it getting better. Honesty, this show started to lose focus with me midway through season 5. Something as major as he hero becoming the villain really should be saved for the final arc. And my god was I sick of Rumplestiltskin! I haven't really paid a lot of attention to the show since then, but who all isn't coming back for the next season? Okay, so having looked into this myself, I have to say that Once Upon A Time has officially passed That 70s Show in terms of dragging out a series after losing a main character. At least T70S only lost TWO main characters; OUAT is losing SIX! Emma Snow David Henry (the actor) Belle And Zelena This means that the only core members of the cast set to return are Regina, Rumple, Killian, and Henry played by a new actor. On top of that, the reason why Henry is getting a new actor is because season 7 will be time skipping ahead several years . And on top of that! The reason for the time skip is because they're planning to rehash season 1, where instead of Emma's long-lost son finding her so she can break a curse and save everyone, it's Henry's long-lost daughter finding him so HE can break a curse and save everyone; and that may well be the laziest thing I've ever seen on television! AND ON TOP OF THAT! Apparently ABC has decided to move the show from Sunday night to Friday night, which is basically them saying "Yeah, we probably should kill it, but it's more fun to just watch it bleed to death." I'm going to call it right now: in about a years time, when people talk about this show the phrase "There is no Season 7" is going to be used quite a bit. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 21, 2017 14:34:22 GMT -5
I'll go with Seinfeld. I wouldn't say the last season was outright bad, but there were some real stinkers in there. It became clear the crew wanted to be done. I think it ended right around when it should've. It was great through its 7th season, then Larry David left and it was alright for season 8. Season 9 was on the verge of being bad, it was losing a lot of its charm and a lot of the humor was just the characters acting real over the top. But it ended right there before it really became a shell of its former self. I mean, it could and would have gotten to that point if it had gone on any longer, but it didn't. Season 8 was supposed to be the last season. That's why the logo at the beginning had a checkered flag pattern all season. Jerry got talked into one more season, so he decided to have fun the last year doing whatever stories they wanted. |
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Jun 21, 2017 17:14:20 GMT -5
Honesty, this show started to lose focus with me midway through season 5. Something as major as he hero becoming the villain really should be saved for the final arc. And my god was I sick of Rumplestiltskin! I haven't really paid a lot of attention to the show since then, but who all isn't coming back for the next season? Okay, so having looked into this myself, I have to say that Once Upon A Time has officially passed That 70s Show in terms of dragging out a series after losing a main character. At least T70S only lost TWO main characters; OUAT is losing SIX! Emma Snow David Henry (the actor) Belle And Zelena This means that the only core members of the cast set to return are Regina, Rumple, Killian, and Henry played by a new actor. On top of that, the reason why Henry is getting a new actor is because season 7 will be time skipping ahead several years . And on top of that! The reason for the time skip is because they're planning to rehash season 1, where instead of Emma's long-lost son finding her so she can break a curse and save everyone, it's Henry's long-lost daughter finding him so HE can break a curse and save everyone; and that may well be the laziest thing I've ever seen on television! AND ON TOP OF THAT! Apparently ABC has decided to move the show from Sunday night to Friday night, which is basically them saying "Yeah, we probably should kill it, but it's more fun to just watch it bleed to death." I'm going to call it right now: in about a years time, when people talk about this show the phrase "There is no Season 7" is going to be used quite a bit.  |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 21, 2017 17:59:39 GMT -5
Okay, so having looked into this myself, I have to say that Once Upon A Time has officially passed That 70s Show in terms of dragging out a series after losing a main character. At least T70S only lost TWO main characters; OUAT is losing SIX! Emma Snow David Henry (the actor) Belle And Zelena This means that the only core members of the cast set to return are Regina, Rumple, Killian, and Henry played by a new actor. On top of that, the reason why Henry is getting a new actor is because season 7 will be time skipping ahead several years . And on top of that! The reason for the time skip is because they're planning to rehash season 1, where instead of Emma's long-lost son finding her so she can break a curse and save everyone, it's Henry's long-lost daughter finding him so HE can break a curse and save everyone; and that may well be the laziest thing I've ever seen on television! AND ON TOP OF THAT! Apparently ABC has decided to move the show from Sunday night to Friday night, which is basically them saying "Yeah, we probably should kill it, but it's more fun to just watch it bleed to death." I'm going to call it right now: in about a years time, when people talk about this show the phrase "There is no Season 7" is going to be used quite a bit. And Henry looks like he'd be as old as the writers want him to be anyway. He grew up FAST. To be fair, the laziness set in long before this and they'll defend it by saying "things came full circle, ART!" For the last few seasons, everything is centered around Rumple, there's a new curse, everything has a magic spell that will undo it. Now I'd maybe still be interested if the show actually uses this as a chance to use secondary characters they have done little to nothing with since sticking to the core group formula (The Charmings/Swans, RumpBelle, and Regina and Hook....say, what do most of these have in common now?  ??). But then again, they've messed that up as much as done good with it in the past. They killed my enthusiasm about Ruby appearances when she was merely an answer to their SJW story, out of nowhere. But...it'll probably be more Coy and Vance-like if anything. |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 21, 2017 18:02:03 GMT -5
Justice League Unlimited could have been this, as Epilogue would have been an acceptable ending. But the Secret Society season still managed to be awesome.
Brittas Empire post-Fegen and Norriss too. They had a good ending with Brittas dying...but stretched it out till the "just a dream" finale. But there were some good episodes still.
Coupling. Season 4.
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Post by Injustice45 on Jun 21, 2017 18:10:59 GMT -5
Law & Order: SVU. Once Stabler left, it wasn't the same. However, there are some good episodes after his departure...
The Simpsons... 'nuff said. Should've ended after the movie came out.
Naruto had way too many filler episodes, even after the manga ended.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 21, 2017 18:27:27 GMT -5
Law & Order: SVU. Once Stabler left, it wasn't the same. However, there are some good episodes after his departure... The Simpsons... 'nuff said. Should've ended after the movie came out.
Naruto had way too many filler episodes, even after the manga ended.The first series had as much filler episodes as the main story did They sort of did better with it 2nd half but we still ended up with full seasons of filler. Naruto and Bleach tried to go DBZ levels with their filler but at least they tried to tie it into the story somewhat |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 22, 2017 7:10:57 GMT -5
Buffy should have ended after season 5. I think they found some pretty decent storylines to bring to the show after they changed networks. Granted, that 7th season dragged on a bit, but even that was preferable to the 4th season in general. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 22, 2017 8:50:43 GMT -5
Recently rewatched Frasier. It was great, but they pretty clearly were runnin on fumes the last 2-3 seasons.
Another vote for Smallville. Once he's in Metropolis, with Lois, fighting crime, working for the Planet, he IS Superman. And honestly once Rosenbaum was gone, heart of show was too.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 22, 2017 11:21:13 GMT -5
A minor one, but Comedy Central era MST3K. I forget how good the season 7 riffs were, but it seemed tacked on A) To give it a finish, B) Because it was so small due to The Movie. Clayton & Pearl = mostly forgettable. The Sci Fi reboot helped, as the fresh start to the "story" made it feel like something old, something new.
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles '87. The syndicated version > CBS one. ESPECIALLY when they decided the Turtles now live in Bruce Timm's Gotham City.
Some might say The Price is Right is doing this now.
Real Ghostbusters (Slimer and... era, anyone?)
The Brothers Grunt as it got more than one episode ;-) ;-) ;-)
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Post by Juice on Jun 22, 2017 12:14:00 GMT -5
Disagree on Supernatural
Did it have really good ending points? Es but that was good show running and being ready to not be picked up again. Supernatural is legit still a growing show ratings and market wise. Early on they weren't as solidified or protected as they are now.
Also the smaller scale seasons have all maintained a high standard of quality imo. Even the leviathans that most people cite as an off year. Introduced some cool stuff like purgatory.
Also That 70s show final season wasnt THAT bad. Randy wasn't THAT bad and thebonly thing that teally bugs me is Hydes general narrative.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 22, 2017 12:28:56 GMT -5
Disagree on Supernatural Did it have really good ending points? Es but that was good show running and being ready to not be picked up again. Supernatural is legit still a growing show ratings and market wise. Early on they weren't as solidified or protected as they are now. Also the smaller scale seasons have all maintained a high standard of quality imo. Even the leviathans that most people cite as an off year. Introduced some cool stuff like purgatory. But even then it felt like a big damn circle they were running in. It's disappointing for a few reasons for me, I would of loved to see how Castiel would of fared as the "big evil" that season. Him being corrupted and proclaiming he is the new God was some good stuff they cut short. Killing off Bobby was meh but it fits into the narrative that the Winchester brothers only have themselves to rely on as all their friends die. In saying that, the show has been on what 11 seasons now? If you would of told me they would of lasted this long during season one I would of laughed. I always figured this show would have a life of 10-12 seasons and I believe even the actors spoke about how a lot of shows don't last 10 seasons without everyone getting sick of it including the actors. I give it a lot of credit because in those 11 seasons I feel they've really only had 2 or 3 seasons which was meh. As i've said before I feel their peak was Seasons 4 and 5 with everything that was going on there and it had very high stakes going from vampires and all that shit to dealing with angels adding a new dynamic to the show. I know they have at least 2 more seasons scheduled so will see how it goes |
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Post by Juice on Jun 22, 2017 13:11:21 GMT -5
Disagree on Supernatural Did it have really good ending points? Es but that was good show running and being ready to not be picked up again. Supernatural is legit still a growing show ratings and market wise. Early on they weren't as solidified or protected as they are now. Also the smaller scale seasons have all maintained a high standard of quality imo. Even the leviathans that most people cite as an off year. Introduced some cool stuff like purgatory. But even then it felt like a big damn circle they were running in. It's disappointing for a few reasons for me, I would of loved to see how Castiel would of fared as the "big evil" that season. Him being corrupted and proclaiming he is the new God was some good stuff they cut short. Killing off Bobby was meh but it fits into the narrative that the Winchester brothers only have themselves to rely on as all their friends die. In saying that, the show has been on what 11 seasons now? If you would of told me they would of lasted this long during season one I would of laughed. I always figured this show would have a life of 10-12 seasons and I believe even the actors spoke about how a lot of shows don't last 10 seasons without everyone getting sick of it including the actors. I give it a lot of credit because in those 11 seasons I feel they've really only had 2 or 3 seasons which was meh. As i've said before I feel their peak was Seasons 4 and 5 with everything that was going on there and it had very high stakes going from vampires and all that shit to dealing with angels adding a new dynamic to the show. I know they have at least 2 more seasons scheduled so will see how it goes One thing that makes this shows quality so highnis that the guys still genuinely like doing it. The show is on because they want to do it. They tour and do supernatural conventions because they want to do it. But im not disagreeing an "off years" but an off year for them is still quality because they don't have all 22 epiaodes rely in the linear story. Monster of the week formula adds a lot of creativity and fun to those seasons. Of course im biased im a huge fan my avatar is me as Cas. I have a giant chest tattoo and generally mark out for everything |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 22, 2017 13:46:15 GMT -5
But even then it felt like a big damn circle they were running in. It's disappointing for a few reasons for me, I would of loved to see how Castiel would of fared as the "big evil" that season. Him being corrupted and proclaiming he is the new God was some good stuff they cut short. Killing off Bobby was meh but it fits into the narrative that the Winchester brothers only have themselves to rely on as all their friends die. In saying that, the show has been on what 11 seasons now? If you would of told me they would of lasted this long during season one I would of laughed. I always figured this show would have a life of 10-12 seasons and I believe even the actors spoke about how a lot of shows don't last 10 seasons without everyone getting sick of it including the actors. I give it a lot of credit because in those 11 seasons I feel they've really only had 2 or 3 seasons which was meh. As i've said before I feel their peak was Seasons 4 and 5 with everything that was going on there and it had very high stakes going from vampires and all that shit to dealing with angels adding a new dynamic to the show. I know they have at least 2 more seasons scheduled so will see how it goes One thing that makes this shows quality so highnis that the guys still genuinely like doing it. The show is on because they want to do it. They tour and do supernatural conventions because they want to do it. But im not disagreeing an "off years" but an off year for them is still quality because they don't have all 22 epiaodes rely in the linear story. Monster of the week formula adds a lot of creativity and fun to those seasons. Of course im biased im a huge fan my avatar is me as Cas. I have a giant chest tattoo and generally mark out for everything I get what you are saying and i'm not saying the show has become bad per se. What makes the show still continue to work to this day is the fact the actors have chemistry and put effort into the show. My meh seasons are Season 1 (Because it was all monster of the week, gaining its legs) and the leviathan season. I like how they can keep switching up the formula but as I said my biggest complaints are in the core of everyone besides the Winchesters are doomed to die with a few exceptions. |
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Post by Juice on Jun 22, 2017 13:59:46 GMT -5
One thing that makes this shows quality so highnis that the guys still genuinely like doing it. The show is on because they want to do it. They tour and do supernatural conventions because they want to do it. But im not disagreeing an "off years" but an off year for them is still quality because they don't have all 22 epiaodes rely in the linear story. Monster of the week formula adds a lot of creativity and fun to those seasons. Of course im biased im a huge fan my avatar is me as Cas. I have a giant chest tattoo and generally mark out for everything I get what you are saying and i'm not saying the show has become bad per se. What makes the show still continue to work to this day is the fact the actors have chemistry and put effort into the show. My meh seasons are Season 1 (Because it was all monster of the week, gaining its legs) and the leviathan season. I like how they can keep switching up the formula but as I said my biggest complaints are in the core of everyone besides the Winchesters are doomed to die with a few exceptions. Are you caught up on the show? Or did you stop watching at some point? Im curious what you thought of the last few seasons? A lot of people I know who cite the Leviathan season as an off year told me they feel the same but I really felt they have just been going strong since 8 or 9 |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 22, 2017 14:02:04 GMT -5
I get what you are saying and i'm not saying the show has become bad per se. What makes the show still continue to work to this day is the fact the actors have chemistry and put effort into the show. My meh seasons are Season 1 (Because it was all monster of the week, gaining its legs) and the leviathan season. I like how they can keep switching up the formula but as I said my biggest complaints are in the core of everyone besides the Winchesters are doomed to die with a few exceptions. Are you caught up on the show? Or did you stop watching at some point? Im curious what you thought of the last few seasons? A lot of people I know who cite the Leviathan season as an off year told me they feel the same but I really felt they have just been going strong since 8 or 9 I've watched sparingly since the Leviathan season which is season 8 I think. I did not watch an episode last year but I know what's going on with the story with the darkness and their mom being back |
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Post by Juice on Jun 22, 2017 14:13:11 GMT -5
Are you caught up on the show? Or did you stop watching at some point? Im curious what you thought of the last few seasons? A lot of people I know who cite the Leviathan season as an off year told me they feel the same but I really felt they have just been going strong since 8 or 9 I've watched sparingly since the Leviathan season which is season 8 I think. I did not watch an episode last year but I know what's going on with the story with the darkness and their mom being back its transcended beyond either of that at this point. If you have the time catch up. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 22, 2017 14:14:35 GMT -5
Sunday Night Heat. Once Smackfown debuted that show really became pointless.
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Post by karl100589 on Jun 22, 2017 14:18:13 GMT -5
Recently rewatched Frasier. It was great, but they pretty clearly were runnin on fumes the last 2-3 seasons. Another vote for Smallville. Once he's in Metropolis, with Lois, fighting crime, working for the Planet, he IS Superman. And honestly once Rosenbaum was gone, heart of show was too. Seasons 9 and 10 of Frasier were below par, but once Christopher Lloyd returned for 11 there was a definite return to form. High Holidays and The Doctor Is Out are two of my favourite episodes. |
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Post by karl100589 on Jun 22, 2017 14:19:55 GMT -5
Did Sabrina really need the extra series at College?
The Harvey cliffhanger at the end of season four was the perfect finishing point.
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??). But then again, they've messed that up as much as done good with it in the past. They killed my enthusiasm about Ruby appearances when she was merely an answer to their SJW story, out of nowhere. 
