Nash on what Vince told him about today's talent

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Nash is wrong, CM Punk and Bryan were proactive about wanting to become top guys.

Currently The Shield also fought for their pushes and weren't complacent at all. Dean Ambrose in Talk is Jericho said that they refused to job to John Cena because the nexus lost their momentum once they lost to Cena early on.

[Allie Kitsune]

Jan 2, 2018 19:34:04 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Nash is wrong, CM Punk and Bryan were proactive about wanting to become top guys.

Currently The Shield also fought for their pushes and weren't complacent at all. Dean Ambrose in Talk is Jericho said that they refused to job to John Cena because the nexus lost their momentum once they lost to Cena early on.

Who in the locker room feared them, though?

Yeah, Punk constantly buried the Miz (so did ADR, for that matter).

But nobody took a Hogan-like or Kliq-like stranglehold on the locker room.

[The Rick Jericho]

Was it proven that Nia talked to Rock and that's why she walked?

She wasn't happy so she bolted. Rock is old school alright. Austin walked out too.

You don't like you position, you do something!

[segaz]

Jan 2, 2018 19:59:31 GMT -5 The Rick Jericho said:

Was it proven that Nia talked to Rock and that's why she walked?

She wasn't happy so she bolted. Rock is old school alright. Austin walked out too.

You don't like you position, you do something!

I think even Austin regrets walking out the way he did

[The Rick Jericho]

How would the internet handle it if either:

Roman, Dean and Seth

Or

Finn, AJ, Shinsuke, Owens and Zayn

Went to Vince with a list of names on guys they should and should not push in Indianapolis?

I know one thing.

Both sides would agree on not pushing Dolph Ziggler.

But if these guys pulled a Kliq 95 how would everyone fee

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Jan 2, 2018 19:59:31 GMT -5 The Rick Jericho said:

Was it proven that Nia talked to Rock and that's why she walked?

She wasn't happy so she bolted. Rock is old school alright. Austin walked out too.

You don't like you position, you do something!

Nia didn't walk out, she was injured and given time off.

[Rolent Tex]

Dammit. I knew Ryder should have kneecapped the hell out of Cena during that push.

[freeze Austin]

Well, that's bullshit because there was a story Daniel Bryan told a while back where Vince told him that he wanted him to put Roman over (at Fastlane 2015) because he was going to be the next John Cena and Bryan told him well that's great, but just an FYI I also want to be the next John Cena. I guarantee there are plenty of other guys in the locker room that would tell Vince the same in that situation. It wouldn't matter if someone worked the hardest or performed the best or backstabbed and politicked the most, Vince is going to do what Vince wants to do, the brass ring stuff is only an excuse so fans stop blaming him for terribly booking their favorites.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Jan 2, 2018 22:48:43 GMT -5 freeze Austin said:

Well, that's bullshit because there was a story Daniel Bryan told a while back where Vince told him that he wanted him to put Roman over (at Fastlane 2015) because he was going to be the next John Cena and Bryan told him well that's great, but just an FYI I also want to be the next John Cena. I guarantee there are plenty of other guys in the locker room that would tell Vince the same in that situation. It wouldn't matter if someone worked the hardest or performed the best or backstabbed and politicked the most, Vince is going to do what Vince wants to do, the brass ring stuff is only an excuse so fans stop blaming him for terribly booking their favorites.

Oh no full stop if the company doesn't want you to get over they will actively fight the crowd to keep you from getting over. Vince is a full of shit crazy person who doesn't know what he wants. Fast Lane 2015 was a massive "f*** you" to the fans in the most blatant of ways after everything from the year before that should have said Bryan was money and a guy to get behind. Bryan broke out and for it the company did everything possible to cut his legs off.

[sfvega]

Jan 2, 2018 19:00:13 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

When Nash broke into the business they didn't have a squad of writers putting out scripts to be recited word-for-word. Vince is a f***ing idiot.

This really seems more like dymentia than idiocy. It's like Vince changed things then forgot he did and now he's irrationally mad or disappointed. It's sad in a way.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

gee Vince it's almost like you created a culture where everyone is afraid to step out of line or even try to get over on their own and risk triggering a hissy-fit from you or something.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

Jan 2, 2018 19:40:42 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Jan 2, 2018 19:34:04 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Nash is wrong, CM Punk and Bryan were proactive about wanting to become top guys.

Currently The Shield also fought for their pushes and weren't complacent at all. Dean Ambrose in Talk is Jericho said that they refused to job to John Cena because the nexus lost their momentum once they lost to Cena early on.

Who in the locker room feared them, though?

Yeah, Punk constantly buried the Miz (so did ADR, for that matter).

But nobody took a Hogan-like or Kliq-like stranglehold on the locker room.

man, in retrospect, what the hell did Miz do? f*** everyone's mothers and send them videotapes?

[Final Countdown Jones]

Jan 3, 2018 11:10:52 GMT -5 sfvega said:

Jan 2, 2018 19:00:13 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

When Nash broke into the business they didn't have a squad of writers putting out scripts to be recited word-for-word. Vince is a f***ing idiot.

This really seems more like dymentia than idiocy. It's like Vince changed things then forgot he did and now he's irrationally mad or disappointed. It's sad in a way.

Nah I don't think it's anything like that; Vince has always operated under lots of weird double standards and insane justifications for things. If Vince did not have a raging hard-on for Shawn Michaels, dude wouldn't have lasted a year pulling the shit he did no matter how much Vince wants backstabbers, because the guy was locker room poison. Over the past few years I chalk it up more to him growng worse and more stubborn about these things than any kind of dementia.

[angelofapocalypse]

Jan 2, 2018 18:46:50 GMT -5 héad.casé said:

"I remember one time I was talking to Vince – it wasn't the last WrestleMania, I think it was the one before – and I just asked him how things were," said Nash. "And he goes, 'The thing that's changed more than anything, is back when you broke in here in the fed, it was a shark tank. Like, everybody went after that top prize, and it was a battle. Now, wrestlers wait for me to come around with a sword and anoint them.' It's just not the same anymore."

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Since when did "Gimmick Town" was to be considered a shark tank? If Vince is referring circa 93-97 as Nash broke in. Well 1993 to say. I don't get it. I mean I'm pretty sure the vacuum left by Hogan and the others, nobody cared about the top prize or the company itself, let alone the weekly televised programing at the time. More like it was just a few big names who didn't wanted to work with the lower tier guys with outlandish gimmicks at the time. Doink the Clown, Duke Drose, Bob "Spark Plug" Holly, Mantuar, and etc...

Gimmick Town will go down as the worse of all worse in wrestling history.

[héad.casé]

Thing is, with today’s generation of top guys, they have so much power to change things, but they don’t. Roman in particular knows how he’s being booked is trash - I’ve seen the look of disappointment on his face after he’s had to say something like “tater tots”. He has the power to change how he’s being booked, how he’s being presented on TV, and he doesn’t do it. He just goes right along with whatever Vince wants him to say or do.

You think Vince is gonna get pissy if all of a sudden Roman said “I’m not doing that, I’m doing this instead”?

This is where top guys DO need to politic, to change things when they know it’s hurting their own character, not to hurt someone else.

[sfvega]

Jan 3, 2018 11:35:04 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

Jan 3, 2018 11:10:52 GMT -5 sfvega said:

This really seems more like dymentia than idiocy. It's like Vince changed things then forgot he did and now he's irrationally mad or disappointed. It's sad in a way.

Nah I don't think it's anything like that; Vince has always operated under lots of weird double standards and insane justifications for things. If Vince did not have a raging hard-on for Shawn Michaels, dude wouldn't have lasted a year pulling the shit he did no matter how much Vince wants backstabbers, because the guy was locker room poison. Over the past few years I chalk it up more to him growng worse and more stubborn about these things than any kind of dementia.

Everyone has always made fun of how crazy Vince is and now he's about to enter his mid-70's. Which is a great time in life to either get legitimately crazier or more stubborn, and often times both.

[HMARK Center]

Yeah, if Vince is in any way upset by the state of things, he has to look in a mirror. He's the boss, he creates the atmosphere these people work in, and it's one where things change on his whims.

In the old days it might've been a "shark tank", but that was when the fed was filled with vets of the territory system, a very different world business-wise from today. Beyond that, was it even THAT much of a "tank"? The 80s had Hogan on top drawing huge money; the other boys were pretty happy having him there, because it meant bigger paydays for them, too. I bet it was more like that in the run from 1992-1997 given the relative power vacuum that developed, but that wasn't exactly a great time for business, either.

Anyway, yeah, you can't create an atmosphere where people feel they need to walk on eggshells and then get angry at them for not taking enormous risks.

[sportatorium]

Rather than the story only being Vince’s out of touch “wish it were the old days” crap:

Many of the wrestlers on the roster came up together in fledgling companies who had the culture where everyone gets over, or crappy places like TNA where they had their talent mismanaged to the breaking point.

The show is now tightly scripted & talent are trained to get the script & story over rather than getting themselves over. Does anyone think Alexa Bliss & Bayley wanted to do The this is your life segment the way they did it?

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Jan 3, 2018 11:19:29 GMT -5 Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! said:

Jan 2, 2018 19:40:42 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Who in the locker room feared them, though?

Yeah, Punk constantly buried the Miz (so did ADR, for that matter).

But nobody took a Hogan-like or Kliq-like stranglehold on the locker room.

man, in retrospect, what the hell did Miz do? f*** everyone's mothers and send them videotapes?

For all this talk of old school mentality dying out, his background in reality TV seems to bring it out of lots of people.

Dude has had to work twice as hard to be seen as half as good in a lot of cases.

I think his ethic of working hard with whatever he's given might upset some of those who are willing to complain more too.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Jan 3, 2018 11:43:47 GMT -5 héad.casé said:

Thing is, with today’s generation of top guys, they have so much power to change things, but they don’t. Roman in particular knows how he’s being booked is trash - I’ve seen the look of disappointment on his face after he’s had to say something like “tater tots”. He has the power to change how he’s being booked, how he’s being presented on TV, and he doesn’t do it. He just goes right along with whatever Vince wants him to say or do.

You think Vince is gonna get pissy if all of a sudden Roman said “I’m not doing that, I’m doing this instead”?

This is where top guys DO need to politic, to change things when they know it’s hurting their own character, not to hurt someone else.

I think Roman is being told coinstantly by everyone that it's not his fault, it's not the material, it's (X problem with the fans) and they'll get him through it, he's a great star and he's going to be huge, he's the next John Cena. And John Cena, fittingly, is a guy who doesn't have a history of turning down a whole lot. He's got some accusations of burying people, sure, but he's stuck by the company with a loyalty and acceptance of Vince's nonsense that stands at complete odds with every top guy before him. When the guy you're taking over is a company man and you're looked at to follow in his stead, I can see how that might keep Roman from saying something out loud.

And then you have guys like Neville, who try to resist becoming "just another guy" after their run on top of a division, and WWE's response is "f*** it then, stay home, we don't need you." Everyone is taught they're replaceable and that you don't have a lot of power to fight it. The Shield were able to stay strong by being three top prospects the company saw a lot in banding together, and right now there really isn't anywhere else to do that, and if you go to a writer trying to explain they're handing you garbage, that writer will just bury you harder. Vince has made it this way on purpose, and it's not that people don't, it's that they straight-up can't.