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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 3, 2018 19:11:55 GMT -5
He's dead what's their to talk about? Well I mean sure he was tough on guys that didn't know locker code but i sorely doubt he was as bad as DeMott. C'mon now.. Yes he was just as bad He was a "dis business" kind of guy and took the punishment way overboard Now is it fair to say he would have done to newbies, maybe but there's enough stories out there about him You should look them up |
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Post by chazraps on Jan 3, 2018 20:54:45 GMT -5
Completely irrespective of all the....horror of his finals days, the idea of a Benoit run wrestling school is actually frightening, if stories about his treatment of rookies backstage are accurate. Those poor students. To my knowledge, Chris was just trying to teach rookies respect the way he grew up in the business. He was only tough on them so they'd learn I'd imagine. No. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 3, 2018 20:55:03 GMT -5
To my knowledge, Chris was just trying to teach rookies respect the way he grew up in the business. He was only tough on them so they'd learn I'd imagine. He made a guy do squats until he peed blood. the only time I remember hearing that was Diavari talking about it in the Raw is Benoit. He phrased it that he was doing the squats willingly. That he saw Benoit warming up and he wanted to impress him by doing the same amount as him... only to feel like he was dying the next day and pissed blood. Not Benoit demanded him to do it. (not that that excuses any other examples of his hazing that he did do... but that particular case I've always heard as it wasn't meant to be a punishment) |
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Post by chazraps on Jan 3, 2018 20:55:39 GMT -5
Theres all kinds of stories out there from guys like Justin Roberts, Brian Kendrick, Jericho, Simon Dean to name a couple off the top of my head. Dude tormented people. He was no better than JBL on the road. Hm. And yet outside of the obvious, no one ever goes after Benoit for that, if it is indeed true. I wonder why. It's pretty eclipsed by the fact that he murdered his family over a weekend. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 21:16:36 GMT -5
He would’ve ended up slumming it in TNA after his body started really breaking down would be my guess.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jan 3, 2018 21:18:59 GMT -5
I would like to believe he'd be right next to Dean Malenko as an agent, right now.
But, I honestly feel like he's the kind of guy who wouldn't know when his body just couldn't hang anymore. He'd eventually be let go from WWE and spend the rest of his life taking bookings with Marty Jannetty and Tracy Smothers.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Jan 3, 2018 21:34:25 GMT -5
Theres all kinds of stories out there from guys like Justin Roberts, Brian Kendrick, Jericho, Simon Dean to name a couple off the top of my head. Dude tormented people. He was no better than JBL on the road. Hm. And yet outside of the obvious, no one ever goes after Benoit for that, if it is indeed true. I wonder why. He had workrate, goddammit! |
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Post by Kyn on Jan 3, 2018 21:39:17 GMT -5
Ex football players were pulling there teeth out and super gluying them back in. Also they wete threatening there family's due to cte. It seems they may have had more people to either help them or they stopped playing before it got to bad. Beniot was still taking full bumps before this happened. With what we now know about cte I wish he was viewed a little bit more as someone who was sick and a little out of control then as the monster he is seen as now He brutally murdered his family over three days. Friday he choked Nancy to death. Saturday he suffocated his son. In this time following their deaths he changed his plane ticket to potentially make the Vengeance 2007 pay-per-view. This wasn't a momentary lapse of reason. He killed his family them himself over a weekend, and had the presence of mind to use a cushion when he hung himself so it wouldn't be too uncomfortable on his own neck. No, he didn't have a momentary lapse of reason. He had an acquired brain injury. Brain injuries tend to alter the way people think. It in no way justifies what he did, but it's also not unreasonable for someone to think the brain injury (or sickness, as the other poster referred to it) played a large part in him deciding to viciously murder his family. Some people consider motive when deciding how they feel about someone who committed a crime. Some people only look at the crime itself. (And to answer the original question, I'm also of the belief that with his medical issues, he would have passed away fairly shortly even if history was different.) |
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Jan 3, 2018 21:49:29 GMT -5
He brutally murdered his family over three days. Friday he choked Nancy to death. Saturday he suffocated his son. In this time following their deaths he changed his plane ticket to potentially make the Vengeance 2007 pay-per-view. This wasn't a momentary lapse of reason. He killed his family them himself over a weekend, and had the presence of mind to use a cushion when he hung himself so it wouldn't be too uncomfortable on his own neck. No, he didn't have a momentary lapse of reason. He had an acquired brain injury. Brain injuries tend to alter the way people think. It in no way justifies what he did, but it's also not unreasonable for someone to think the brain injury (or sickness, as the other poster referred to it) played a large part in him deciding to viciously murder his family. Some people consider motive when deciding how they feel about someone who committed a crime. Some people only look at the crime itself. (And to answer the original question, I'm also of the belief that with his medical issues, he would have passed away fairly shortly even if history was different.) Tens of thousands of football players and boxers also had CTE, but managed not to murder their families. |
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Post by Kyn on Jan 3, 2018 22:02:27 GMT -5
No, he didn't have a momentary lapse of reason. He had an acquired brain injury. (...) Tens of thousands of football players and boxers also had CTE, but managed not to murder their families. True. Brain injuries affect people differently. Maybe in Benoit's case, it exacerbated a tendency for violence that was already there. I'm heading into the realm of total speculation there though & I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll back out now. (Edit: Just want to leave with, and I cannot stress this enough, I'm NOT in any way okay with the fact he brutally murdered his wife and child. Having an interest in motives for a crime doesn't condone the crime itself). |
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Post by sfvega on Jan 3, 2018 22:09:26 GMT -5
No, he didn't have a momentary lapse of reason. He had an acquired brain injury. Brain injuries tend to alter the way people think. It in no way justifies what he did, but it's also not unreasonable for someone to think the brain injury (or sickness, as the other poster referred to it) played a large part in him deciding to viciously murder his family. Some people consider motive when deciding how they feel about someone who committed a crime. Some people only look at the crime itself. (And to answer the original question, I'm also of the belief that with his medical issues, he would have passed away fairly shortly even if history was different.) Tens of thousands of football players and boxers also had CTE, but managed not to murder their families. Not as advanced and many of them managed to kill themselves. You don't seem to understand the gravity of the damage done to the brain. |
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Jan 3, 2018 22:18:35 GMT -5
Tens of thousands of football players and boxers also had CTE, but managed not to murder their families. True. Brain injuries affect people differently. Maybe in Benoit's case, it exacerbated a tendency for violence that was already there. I'm heading into the realm of total speculation there though & I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll back out now. It was likely A factor, but I don't see how you can blame it all on CTE. NFL Hall of Fame LB Junior Seau lost it at the end, but he only killed himself. He even thought to shoot himself in the chest so his brain could be properly examined post-mortem. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 3, 2018 22:18:42 GMT -5
Hm. And yet outside of the obvious, no one ever goes after Benoit for that, if it is indeed true. I wonder why. It's pretty eclipsed by the fact that he murdered his family over a weekend. Yeah, I mean... that kinda trumps "hazed a bunch of rookies" on the shithead scale. |
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Post by chazraps on Jan 3, 2018 22:34:48 GMT -5
It's pretty eclipsed by the fact that he murdered his family over a weekend. Yeah, I mean... that kinda trumps "hazed a bunch of rookies" on the shithead scale. I mean, this guy was a real jerk! |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 3, 2018 22:38:11 GMT -5
His career would probably wind down over the next few years as he stayed a solid upper midcard guy.
But who knows? It's sort of hard to think about 'what if he didn't off his family and then himself' in regards to wrestling; it's not like an ordinary occurrence.
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Jan 3, 2018 22:40:58 GMT -5
Tens of thousands of football players and boxers also had CTE, but managed not to murder their families. Not as advanced and many of them managed to kill themselves. You don't seem to understand the gravity of the damage done to the brain. CTE wasn't a known thing until fairly recently, how in the hell do you know all their cases weren't as advanced? I know many of them have ended their own lives, but they didn't need to murder others first. I wouldn't discount it as a contributing factor, but I believe there was probably more to it than juat the brain damage. |
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Post by sfvega on Jan 3, 2018 22:41:35 GMT -5
True. Brain injuries affect people differently. Maybe in Benoit's case, it exacerbated a tendency for violence that was already there. I'm heading into the realm of total speculation there though & I don't want to derail the thread, so I'll back out now. It was likely A factor, but I don't see how you can blame it all on CTE. NFL Hall of Fame LB Junior Seau lost it at the end, but he only killed himself. He even thought to shoot himself in the chest so his brain could be properly examined post-mortem. It's a spectrum. Like how some people have mental disorders and can medicate and cope and others have similar mental disorders and have to be committed long-term. Look up Arron Sears. There is also this: Not everyone quietly and collectedly commits suicide. Benoit is not a lone case of a guy having CTE and being a threat to others, hearing voices, etc. Like, just because Seau had the sense to save his brain, he still had lost his mind enough to kill himself the same way many other have. And before it became a theme to not shoot yourself in the head, many guys with CTE just killed themselves however they chose after showing very different personalities to their loved ones and being highly irrational. Just as some former NFL players have managable CTE and others have more advanced CTE leading to their suicide, Benoit's CTE was even more advanced. Which is not to give Benoit a free pass for committing unspeakable crimes. But it's not really a cut and dry issue. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 3, 2018 22:42:08 GMT -5
I'll take this time to say what I've been wanting to for awhile on the topic. I understand why people have blacklisted him from their wrestling viewings, I don't blame them. However, I do hope, now, with the information that has come out of his autopsy and what we know about CTE, That people would understand how damaged Benoit's brain was on that night and before. He was clearly not firing on all cylinders. It doesn't make what he did right or better but it does shed, perhaps, a bit of light on the 'why'. If it was just a suicide, I think that would be easier to take. People don't vilify say Junior Seau for example. Killing his wife and kid though, it's hard for people to look beyond that. Though clearly he wasn't in his right mind and we understand more about CTE now. If he'd only killed himself, people would have a much kinder view of him. Hell, WWE wouldn't have blacklisted him most likely; it'd just be a sad story instead of a heart-rending one. |
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Post by sfvega on Jan 3, 2018 22:51:27 GMT -5
Not as advanced and many of them managed to kill themselves. You don't seem to understand the gravity of the damage done to the brain. CTE wasn't a known thing until fairly recently, how in the hell do you know all their cases weren't as advanced? I know many of them have ended their own lives, but they didn't need to murder others first. I wouldn't discount it as a contributing factor, but I believe there was probably more to it than juat the brain damage. Because you use the phrase "tens of thousands" and even handling number of those brains, they said Benoit was a very advanced case of CTE. There's not even tens of thousands of former pro athletes who have committed suicide, which is to imply that their CTE is to a degree less advanced. |
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 3, 2018 23:06:20 GMT -5
Probably would have a year left in WWE before they fired him for the same reasons they fired Angle, have a bad stint in TNA, goes to rehab, be a road agent before he messes that up, and end up like his hero Dynamite Kid as the same bitter man in a wheelchair. Nancy would have also divorced his ass too and probably get custody of Daniel.
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