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Post by Fade on Jan 10, 2018 23:18:24 GMT -5
TIL it's dumb to follow your passion and dreams if you're being offered lots of money.
Hunters full of shit. But I'll give him this, he's so much better at the PR talk than Vince has been in decades.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 10, 2018 23:23:26 GMT -5
This is dumb, just clear him or tell us he'll never be cleared.
I'm bored of the ifs and maybes.
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Post by MAGGLE on Jan 10, 2018 23:32:42 GMT -5
But here's the thing: The sanctimony of "Well, I hope he knows what he's doing, he's a FATHER NOW!" falls flat when, yeah, the guy clearly knows what he's doing, and knows better from better medical professionals than we know. Yes, it's your opinion. But you'll forgive me if I give yours much, much less regard than various medical professionals who have actually seen the dude's situation, instead of just playing the scold. But on the flip side of things this is what DB is telling us and obviously a doctor can't reveal what his test are So it's as simple as once he's off contract he gets to do what he wants but at the end of the day it's still just a matter of WWE word vs DB word If you are on WWE side cool and if you are DB side even better(not saying you specifically), but it just don't matter to me anymore as he's a grown man and can make his own life decisions but obviously as long as he's under their contract he has to "play by their rules" You should just watch the video and realize what the siuation is exactly. No one is even telling him why he can´t wrestle and he accepts that WWE is not letting him wrestle. But he also says that he will wrestle in 2018 no matter what decision is being made. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 23:36:59 GMT -5
IF he wrestled again under WWE's supervision I wouldn't watch but I'd be happy with the support around him.
Anywhere else...it's just a personal thing yeah, but I couldn't be a fan of Bryan anymore.
For the record as the comparison has been brought up, I didn't watch Angle wrestle or the TLC show.
I understand the 'if you're miserable he money doesn't matter' view but my feeling is that he's a parent first now, and he doesn't get to pick. Given the diagnosis he's had before, it's just not worth the risk.
If he hates the non-wrestling side of the business then he's made his money, go try something else totally away from it.
I know others don't agree here and that's fine, it's all opinion but I feel really strongly on this. For the totally insignificant thing it is, I used to be an enormous fan and he's used up all his goodwill with me.
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Post by thegame415 on Jan 10, 2018 23:43:14 GMT -5
Authority still holding him down.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 10:44:14 GMT -5
Not ashamed to say I agree with HHH pretty much entirely on this. And he states the case well - not only towing the company & professional line, but going the "look if it was me in his shoes" route (which everyone knows he'd be more inclined to wrestle too).
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 11, 2018 11:06:19 GMT -5
TIL it's dumb to follow your passion and dreams if you're being offered lots of money. Hunters full of shit. But I'll give him this, he's so much better at the PR talk than Vince has been in decades. For me, there's passion and dreams,and then there's the reality which is your health and responsibilities to yourself and your family. If your passion consumes you and you end up paraplegic or worse, no amount of money can bring back what's lost. Would Daniel Bryan want to share in his daughter's memories - the first day of school, the first pantomime etc, or pursue his passions and potentially forsake that? I won't comment on what "a lot of doctors" say. That's doctor patient confidentiality and no one's business. |
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 11, 2018 11:17:10 GMT -5
TIL it's dumb to follow your passion and dreams if you're being offered lots of money. Hunters full of shit. But I'll give him this, he's so much better at the PR talk than Vince has been in decades. For me, there's passion and dreams,and then there's the reality which is your health and responsibilities to yourself and your family. If your passion consumes you and you end up paraplegic or worse, no amount of money can bring back what's lost. Would Daniel Bryan want to share in his daughter's memories - the first day of school, the first pantomime etc, or pursue his passions and potentially forsake that? I won't comment on what "a lot of doctors" say. That's doctor patient confidentiality and no one's business. Then that would apply to all wrestlers, since Bryan is potentially in better shape than most of them brain-wise. |
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Jan 11, 2018 11:29:11 GMT -5
For me, there's passion and dreams,and then there's the reality which is your health and responsibilities to yourself and your family. If your passion consumes you and you end up paraplegic or worse, no amount of money can bring back what's lost. Would Daniel Bryan want to share in his daughter's memories - the first day of school, the first pantomime etc, or pursue his passions and potentially forsake that? I won't comment on what "a lot of doctors" say. That's doctor patient confidentiality and no one's business. Then that would apply to all wrestlers, since Bryan is potentially in better shape than most of them brain-wise. Colour me confused. Is that fact? |
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 11, 2018 11:42:14 GMT -5
Then that would apply to all wrestlers, since Bryan is potentially in better shape than most of them brain-wise. Colour me confused. Is that fact? No it's not fact as none of us are privy to everyone's medical records, but from what Bryan has been saying, doctors have told him his brain is functioning higher than most. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 11:53:05 GMT -5
TIL it's dumb to follow your passion and dreams if you're being offered lots of money. Hunters full of shit. But I'll give him this, he's so much better at the PR talk than Vince has been in decades. For me, there's passion and dreams,and then there's the reality which is your health and responsibilities to yourself and your family. If your passion consumes you and you end up paraplegic or worse, no amount of money can bring back what's lost. Would Daniel Bryan want to share in his daughter's memories - the first day of school, the first pantomime etc, or pursue his passions and potentially forsake that? I won't comment on what "a lot of doctors" say. That's doctor patient confidentiality and no one's business. I think it's odd how many people seem to think that this kind of stuff is news to a guy like Daniel Bryan, like he hasn't considered his family in his decision-making. His wife is supporting him wrestling again, every doctor who isn't tied up in concussion lawsuits is clearing him, seems really weird to dismiss that because of doctor-patient confidentiality. Taking that logic to the extreme, we never should have even known Bryan had concussions in the first place. Every interview he gives about this subject he comes off very reasonable, I understand he's a wrestler, and we've seen what the obsession has done to Kurt Angle, but if Daniel Bryan were anything like Kurt Angle he wouldn't have even gave retirement a chance in the first place. I hope he knows what he's doing but he hasn't really given me any indication that he's gonna be too reckless. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 11, 2018 12:09:46 GMT -5
Kurt Angle was the tipping point in WWE's bogus doctor bullshit.
If you're telling me that a 48 year old who'd had 4 spinal surgeries including a tumor removal, several knee surgeries and god know how many concussions, could get cleared by WWE, then either their tests are nonexistent, or the doctors are on Quaaludes.
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 11, 2018 12:41:13 GMT -5
Kurt Angle was the tipping point in WWE's bogus doctor bullshit. If you're telling me that a 48 year old who'd had 4 spinal surgeries including a tumor removal, several knee surgeries and god know how many concussions, could get cleared by WWE, then either their tests are nonexistent, or the doctors are on Quaaludes. I can only think of one concussion Kurt suffered, at Summerslam 2000. Might not be the only one, but Bryan suffered many in an incredibly short space of time. Plus I haven't been watching but from what I hear, Kurt has barely wrestled since his return and when he has it's been safely. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 12:53:57 GMT -5
Kurt Angle was the tipping point in WWE's bogus doctor bullshit. If you're telling me that a 48 year old who'd had 4 spinal surgeries including a tumor removal, several knee surgeries and god know how many concussions, could get cleared by WWE, then either their tests are nonexistent, or the doctors are on Quaaludes. I can only think of one concussion Kurt suffered, at Summerslam 2000. Might not be the only one, but Bryan suffered many in an incredibly short space of time. Plus I haven't been watching but from what I hear, Kurt has barely wrestled since his return and when he has it's been safely. The biggest argument against Kurt vs Bryan is going to be body vs brain Yes, your body gets time to heal but the brain doesn't However, in Kurts case I believe WWE was always putting the death flag on him because of the pill usage in combination with how busted his body was going to be at some point Kurt still wrestled at a high pace for a good while in TNA but it eventually caught up to him |
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jan 11, 2018 15:05:04 GMT -5
I'm in the camp of: Bryan's been cleared by every doctor but WWE's own doctor so let the dude wrestle.
However, no matter what, there's that small part of me that wonders what if? What if WWE is right? What if they're not and something terrible happens to Bryan when he wrestles again that could've been prevented by accepting WWE's decision and not wrestling anymore.
In that, I'm sure that's WWE's stance. They are aware he'll go and wrestle elsewhere, but they also know if they clear him, he wrestles and something happens... they will be liable and it'll absolutely destroy the footing they have in the concussion lawsuit. Also, a part of me feels there's some hard feelings from Bryan's return at the Royal Rumble a few years ago and how it completely deflated Roman Reigns' victory. They know nobody could really get over Bryan, it's petty and it sounds like WWE being willing to throw money away but... look at the talent they have at their disposal and how little they do with it... they're cool with throwing money away.
Getting back to my point, there was a rumor of Bryan turning down a huge contract extension that basically said he'd get the downside guarantee of a main eventer without having to wrestle. I don't know if it's true or not... but if it is. I honestly don't think WWE expected Bryan to sign it... but they would want the offer to be on record that they tried to give him a huge incentive to stay on board and in his current role so that when he does leave, if something happened, the blame all rests on Bryan rather than WWE lowballing him or giving him no choice but to leave.
Like I say, I'm in the camp of just let him wrestle and I really think he's going to be fine so long as he alters his style to eliminate headbutts. I fully believe this time next year we'll be talking about what angle he did, or who he wrestled at Final Battle or WK13. But, I can understand WWE's position of wanting to put on record that they will stand by their decision, and if they're wrong, they're wrong. But it's better to be wrong with Bryan not in the company than right with Bryan crippled, paralyzed, or otherwise debilitated under their watch.
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