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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 11, 2018 11:21:13 GMT -5
We literally saw The Undertaker turn in to Mark Callaway before our eyes when he walked back down the aisle last year. I know it choked me up. I think it did the same for others. Do we really need to do all that AGAIN?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 11:22:17 GMT -5
Taker and Cena both lost to Reigns this past year. Taker was embarrassed in that match and had a sendoff while Cena walked all over Reigns during promos but then got every single move of his crushed in their match, the guy did like 18 finishers and still got beat by 1 Spear. This is like seeing 2017 Lil Wayne go against 2017 50. One is shivering and shaking from the lean while the other is filming movies and getting into a whole bunch of bullshit I didn't realize that the comparison's this real but it's too damn true lmao. |
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 11, 2018 11:23:39 GMT -5
This freakin' Roman/Lesnar moment feels like it's been 3 years in the making. Which means they'll botch it again and we'll know the next Mania's main event the following RAW
Because it just won't end
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 11:23:57 GMT -5
Yea, I don’t get it. Unless you do something like Cena vs Mark (he’s no longer Taker per se) than what’s the point. The atmosphere itself will be great but the match will be lacking Taker 2 years ago had a great match with Lesnar. Taker hasn't worked with a wrestler as good as Cena since his Punk match. I'm sure this will be a good match. Not HBK-Taker but a solid 3-4 star affair. I highly doubt it. Taker has not had a great match since HHH. His Brock match was trash tho he had a concussion, Bray was only okay, and punk was good Roman can work but Taker body is washed. Not even AJ Styles can get a good match out of him at this point |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 11, 2018 11:25:20 GMT -5
I'd care more about Lesnar/Reigns if Brock didn't already pin Roman at Summerslam. I know it was a multi-man match but you could at least go with the idea that neither man has ever had the other beat. I mean, they will probably still say that but it will be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 11:27:16 GMT -5
Yea, I don’t get it. Unless you do something like Cena vs Mark (he’s no longer Taker per se) than what’s the point. The atmosphere itself will be great but the match will be lacking Taker 2 years ago had a great match with Lesnar. Taker hasn't worked with a wrestler as good as Cena since his Punk match. I'm sure this will be a good match. Not HBK-Taker but a solid 3-4 star affair.  Son, you see this gif. Man, it's not just this but look at that match. Taker had legit problems lifting Reigns up, he had problems standing up and he had problems moving around in the ring. We all post this gif because this was the synopsis of that match but if you go back and look at that match it wasn't just this, Taker looked bad. He looked bad in that Lesnar and Wyatt match too that's why we only remember how they ended. Taker hasn't looked great since that Punk match. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 11, 2018 11:30:09 GMT -5
Taker 2 years ago had a great match with Lesnar. Taker hasn't worked with a wrestler as good as Cena since his Punk match. I'm sure this will be a good match. Not HBK-Taker but a solid 3-4 star affair. Son, you see this gif. Man, it's not just this but look at that match. Taker had legit problems lifting Reigns up, he had problems standing up and he had problems moving around in the ring. We all post this gif because this was the synopsis of that match but if you go back and look at that match it wasn't just this, Taker looked bad. He looked bad in that Lesnar and Wyatt match too that's why we only remember how they ended. Taker hasn't looked great since that Punk match. TBH, that I'm less worried about, if there's one guy who's enough of a freak to deadlift The Undertaker in those situations so it's less noticeable, it's Cena. Saying that, no, please no, on both these matches. Vince is beating horses worse than Homer beat the Krusty Burglar. |
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 11, 2018 11:30:32 GMT -5
Taker 2 years ago had a great match with Lesnar. Taker hasn't worked with a wrestler as good as Cena since his Punk match. I'm sure this will be a good match. Not HBK-Taker but a solid 3-4 star affair. I highly doubt it. Taker has not had a great match since HHH. His Brock match was trash tho he had a concussion, Bray was only okay, and punk was good Roman can work but Taker body is washed. Not even AJ Styles can get a good match out of him at this point I said good, not great match. And I was referring to the rematches he had with Lesnar in late-2015. Looked up reviews for Summerslam 2015 and the match with Lesnar got 4 stars and 3.75 stars in the 2 reviews I saw. The rematch at Hell in a Cell got 4.25 and 4 stars. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 11:32:07 GMT -5
I highly doubt it. Taker has not had a great match since HHH. His Brock match was trash tho he had a concussion, Bray was only okay, and punk was good Roman can work but Taker body is washed. Not even AJ Styles can get a good match out of him at this point I said good, not great match. And I was referring to the rematches he had with Lesnar in late-2015. Looked up reviews for Summerslam 2015 and the match with Lesnar got 4 stars and 3.75 stars in the 2 reviews I saw. The rematch at Hell in a Cell got 4.25 and 4 stars. Okay but still that’s 2015 and this is 2018. Taker fell off a cliff last year. Brock and Taker had some good matches in 2015 but off my eyes recently Taker is washed and I can’t see too much denial in that He even has the “old man body” now |
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 11, 2018 11:32:10 GMT -5
Taker 2 years ago had a great match with Lesnar. Taker hasn't worked with a wrestler as good as Cena since his Punk match. I'm sure this will be a good match. Not HBK-Taker but a solid 3-4 star affair. Son, you see this gif. Man, it's not just this but look at that match. Taker had legit problems lifting Reigns up, he had problems standing up and he had problems moving around in the ring. We all post this gif because this was the synopsis of that match but if you go back and look at that match it wasn't just this, Taker looked bad. He looked bad in that Lesnar and Wyatt match too that's why we only remember how they ended. Taker hasn't looked great since that Punk match. Had 2 very good matches in late-2015 with Lesnar. |
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 11, 2018 11:33:59 GMT -5
I said good, not great match. And I was referring to the rematches he had with Lesnar in late-2015. Looked up reviews for Summerslam 2015 and the match with Lesnar got 4 stars and 3.75 stars in the 2 reviews I saw. The rematch at Hell in a Cell got 4.25 and 4 stars. Okay but still that’s 2015 and this is 2018. Taker fell off a cliff last year. Brock and Taker had some good matches in 2015 but off my eyes recently Taker is washed and I can’t see too much denial in that He even has the “old man body” now It's 2.5 years and with a superior wrestler this year in Cena. Plus he's been "fixed" somewhat with his hip surgery. The only two matches he's had since those great Lesnar matches were the Shane match and the Reigns match. I'm not "burying" his ability just based on that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 11:37:46 GMT -5
I've no qualms with any of this. I think they've been doing pretty good with Roman Reigns the past couple of years, and honestly Undertaker/Cena is a good attraction, even on their best days I don't think they could have a stellar match but I think it's a fine match for both of them to have. I think Undertaker definitely needs to win and call it a career though.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 11:38:21 GMT -5
Okay but still that’s 2015 and this is 2018. Taker fell off a cliff last year. Brock and Taker had some good matches in 2015 but off my eyes recently Taker is washed and I can’t see too much denial in that He even has the “old man body” now It's 2.5 years and with a superior wrestler this year in Cena. Plus he's been "fixed" somewhat with his hip surgery. The only two matches he's had since those great Lesnar matches were the Shane match and the Reigns match. I'm not "burying" his ability just based on that. I wouldn’t quantify Cena as a “superior wrestler” especially over Reigns. 2.5 years is a long time and from what we have seen since those matches he hasn’t looked great Sure he gets a pass against Shane if you want to give him that but there’s no pass for last year unless you want to lean on the hip issue I’m not “burying” his ability I’m just saying he’s washed as you would expect a man near 50 to be after wrestling 30 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 11:40:31 GMT -5
Son, you see this gif. Man, it's not just this but look at that match. Taker had legit problems lifting Reigns up, he had problems standing up and he had problems moving around in the ring. We all post this gif because this was the synopsis of that match but if you go back and look at that match it wasn't just this, Taker looked bad. He looked bad in that Lesnar and Wyatt match too that's why we only remember how they ended. Taker hasn't looked great since that Punk match. Had 2 very good matches in late-2015 with Lesnar. Do you remember how those matches were? There's a clear difference between a Taker/Lesnar match and a Taker/Cena or Reigns match let alone it's been years since then. There's a reason why Taker had better matches with Lesnar than all of these others. Just look at how the matches were setup and you'll see that they were both "down and out slugfests with 2 titans going at it" similar to King Kong vs Godzilla. That's not going to be the Cena match. It'll be the same match as with Reigns except with a better wrestler and that won't help. You need to peep those other matches. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 11:43:20 GMT -5
Had 2 very good matches in late-2015 with Lesnar. Do you remember how those matches were? There's a clear difference between a Taker/Lesnar match and a Taker/Cena or Reigns match let alone it's been years since then. There's a reason why Taker had better matches with Lesnar than all of these others. Just look at how the matches were setup and you'll see that they were both "down and out slugfests with 2 titans going at it" similar to King Kong vs Godzilla. That's not going to be the Cena match. It'll be the same match as with Reigns except with a better wrestler and that won't help. You need to peep those other matches. Exactly. In order to get the best out of Taker at this point you need a “garbage match” but just like last year I fear as soon as they do one spot all the energy will be out of Takers body Now no doubt Cena can lead a match better than Reigns can but if Taker just can’t physically go than the match is doomed unless you do a 5 min energy fast pace match like Goldberg/Brock |
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Jan 11, 2018 11:44:12 GMT -5
Well, at least Reigns obliterating Lesnar will be enjoyable.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 11, 2018 11:44:18 GMT -5
Had 2 very good matches in late-2015 with Lesnar. Do you remember how those matches were? There's a clear difference between a Taker/Lesnar match and a Taker/Cena or Reigns match let alone it's been years since then. There's a reason why Taker had better matches with Lesnar than all of these others. Just look at how the matches were setup and you'll see that they were both "down and out slugfests with 2 titans going at it" similar to King Kong vs Godzilla. That's not going to be the Cena match. It'll be the same match as with Reigns except with a better wrestler and that won't help. You need to peep those other matches. I've seen them and Cena can wrestle the slower-paced; spectacle-type matches just fine. |
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jan 11, 2018 11:47:01 GMT -5
It’s Mania, so I’m certainly gonna watch, but those two matches do absolutely nothing for me.
I wonder if they’re gonna add a career vs. career stip to Cena/Undertaker. That’s kinda the only thing that would make sense from a kayfabe perspective. Otherwise, it’s pretty pointless.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 11, 2018 11:47:04 GMT -5
It's 2.5 years and with a superior wrestler this year in Cena. Plus he's been "fixed" somewhat with his hip surgery. The only two matches he's had since those great Lesnar matches were the Shane match and the Reigns match. I'm not "burying" his ability just based on that. I wouldn’t quantify Cena as a “superior wrestler” especially over Reigns. 2.5 years is a long time and from what we have seen since those matches he hasn’t looked great Sure he gets a pass against Shane if you want to give him that but there’s no pass for last year unless you want to lean on the hip issue I’m not “burying” his ability I’m just saying he’s washed as you would expect a man near 50 to be after wrestling 30 years. "Leaning on the hip issue" is exactly what should be done. It was clearly a major issue, that's why he had it replaced immediately afterwards. |
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Jan 11, 2018 11:47:19 GMT -5
Undertaker is winning that match, I'm sure of it. The main event is the face off between the two guys who beat the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, if Cena does it on the undercard it kinda takes the shine off of things. I don't really have much faith in the match being good because Cena's best work lately is with guys with exceptional workrate and Undertaker is certainly not that, but it will be a cool spectacle for sure. It could be good if they go for a full-blown brawl because that kind of match suits Undertaker, but I imagine that the 'hit a big move, near fall, lay around a while' match formula is what they'll go for.
Lesnar-Reigns is the obvious main event so no surprise there. The culmination of years of build and all that. Not really that interested in it because who cares, but at least they're finally getting it over with so they can do their Roman Reigns babyface champion run and get it out of their system.
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