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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Jan 11, 2018 13:40:58 GMT -5
as if you didn't see this coming I don't give a damn about Cena/Taker after that Reigns shit last year. Just end it. I'm sorry but nah. My response to both of those matches:  |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 13:41:53 GMT -5
Taker will likely go out a winner. Cena's lost a lot more on PPV lately, plus Cena ain't finished by a longshot, so why give him the W? Just the way it is HBK retired Ric Flair, Undertaker retired HBK, and it could be the same with Cena retiring Taker There's no real "rub" to be had, more so just 2 legends fighting and someone comes out on top |
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jan 11, 2018 13:45:10 GMT -5
Ending the streak in anything but Taker's retirement match was one of the dumbest things they've ever done.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 13:45:23 GMT -5
Cena/Taker is them just admitting they’ve done a real poor job of building anyone up the past 12 months, isn’t it? Especially Reigns, as this basically makes his whole "MY YARD NOW" shtick completely washed as Taker's coming right back and acting like he didn't do shit. The only way this works is if Taker comes back as The American Badass. The Deadman Gimmick died at Mania last year. Yea, if he returns as The Undertaker it's more so everything that happened last year with his "retirement" is washed Taker has been prone to switch it up at Mania like he did a few years ago with HHH and being "The Last Outlaw" or something like that but I wonder if he just comes out as "himself" The Supernatural Undertaker is dead and if you want a match, you will get it against the plain old guy and not the man who shook fear in everyone for the last 20 odd years |
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 11, 2018 13:46:05 GMT -5
Reigns vs. Undertaker was an awful match for what it was billed as, a "sendoff" to 'Taker where he was a prop for the umpteenth attempt to get over a failed pet project, where even the wrestlers in the ring realized they needed to play it with Reigns as the cocky heel asshole vs the beloved legend, and the commentators/writers/bookers fought them and undermined them the entire way through, before/during/after the match, trying to present it as a Hogan/Warrior meeting of equals.
Undertaker's earned a better finale to his career, a thousand times over. I'm all for this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 13:46:36 GMT -5
Yeah Cena retiring Taker for good actually might be a way for Cena to get back some of the steam he lost in that Reigns feud. He can say that he's been the only guy to retire Taker, something Lesnar and Reigns couldn't do, and he needs another world title shot that'll setup him breaking Flair's record.
If they go that route then that's a little better but this still ain't Super Cena vs Streak Taker. Taker should have retired once his Streak was broken. There's no point in that Reigns match if this happens.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 11, 2018 13:47:03 GMT -5
Especially Reigns, as this basically makes his whole "MY YARD NOW" shtick completely washed as Taker's coming right back and acting like he didn't do shit. The only way this works is if Taker comes back as The American Badass. The Deadman Gimmick died at Mania last year. Yea, if he returns as The Undertaker it's more so everything that happened last year with his "retirement" is washed Taker has been prone to switch it up at Mania like he did a few years ago with HHH and being "The Last Outlaw" or something like that but I wonder if he just comes out as "himself" The Supernatural Undertaker is dead and if you want a match, you will get it against the plain old guy and not the man who shook fear in everyone for the last 20 odd years "No smoke and no hat, just my boot in your ass" |
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jan 11, 2018 13:48:56 GMT -5
As much as I tried to write it off last year, one of main recollections of Reigns/'Taker was that extremely unfortunate Tombstone reversal sequence. In fact, outside of the exit, it is my prevailing memory of the bout, so 'Taker get a re-do on his departure ain't exactly souring me.
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Jan 11, 2018 13:50:25 GMT -5
Especially Reigns, as this basically makes his whole "MY YARD NOW" shtick completely washed as Taker's coming right back and acting like he didn't do shit. The only way this works is if Taker comes back as The American Badass. The Deadman Gimmick died at Mania last year. Yea, if he returns as The Undertaker it's more so everything that happened last year with his "retirement" is washed Taker has been prone to switch it up at Mania like he did a few years ago with HHH and being "The Last Outlaw" or something like that but I wonder if he just comes out as "himself" The Supernatural Undertaker is dead and if you want a match, you will get it against the plain old guy and not the man who shook fear in everyone for the last 20 odd years Even without the Deadman theatrics, he'll still put fear in anyone. Hell he puts fear in me and I know he's not at his best anymore. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 11, 2018 13:50:26 GMT -5
I guess I’ll be that one who actually thinks Roman v Lesnar will be cool
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 13:51:47 GMT -5
Yeah Cena retiring Taker for good actually might be a way for Cena to get back some of the steam he lost in that Reigns feud. He can say that he's been the only guy to retire Taker, something Lesnar and Reigns couldn't do, and he needs another world title shot that'll setup him breaking Flair's record. If they go that route then that's a little better but this still ain't Super Cena vs Streak Taker. Taker should have retired once his Streak was broken. There's no point in that Reigns match if this happens. Yea, in the end this only "hurts" Reigns but then it sort of doesn't The biggest thing is it makes the Reigns match non existent because he's just someone that defeated Taker instead of retiring him. Brock got the streak, Cena potentially gets to retire Taker and Reigns just picked up a W |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 13:52:51 GMT -5
Yea, if he returns as The Undertaker it's more so everything that happened last year with his "retirement" is washed Taker has been prone to switch it up at Mania like he did a few years ago with HHH and being "The Last Outlaw" or something like that but I wonder if he just comes out as "himself" The Supernatural Undertaker is dead and if you want a match, you will get it against the plain old guy and not the man who shook fear in everyone for the last 20 odd years Even without the Deadman theatrics, he'll still put fear in anyone. Hell he puts fear in me and I know he's not at his best anymore. Ehhh there's something to be said about all the whistles and bells of the Undertaker instead of getting the "plain guy" with his drawl and slang |
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Jan 11, 2018 13:54:56 GMT -5
Even without the Deadman theatrics, he'll still put fear in anyone. Hell he puts fear in me and I know he's not at his best anymore. Ehhh there's something to be said about all the whistles and bells of the Undertaker instead of getting the "plain guy" with his drawl and slang Fair point. Hopefully the coming match will show it was just the bum hip and the old gunslinger still has one great duel left in him before he finally hangs up his holster, to wax old West style there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 13:55:38 GMT -5
Yeah Cena retiring Taker for good actually might be a way for Cena to get back some of the steam he lost in that Reigns feud. He can say that he's been the only guy to retire Taker, something Lesnar and Reigns couldn't do, and he needs another world title shot that'll setup him breaking Flair's record. If they go that route then that's a little better but this still ain't Super Cena vs Streak Taker. Taker should have retired once his Streak was broken. There's no point in that Reigns match if this happens. Yea, in the end this only "hurts" Reigns but then it sort of doesn't The biggest thing is it makes the Reigns match non existent because he's just someone that defeated Taker instead of retiring him. Brock got the streak, Cena potentially gets to retire Taker and Reigns just picked up a W It just got Reigns more boos really. It's like that Wyatt match which did nothing but say "hey Taker is still here everybody". They're treating Taker like that classic that we've already gotten over. It's sad. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jan 11, 2018 13:57:59 GMT -5
Especially Reigns, as this basically makes his whole "MY YARD NOW" shtick completely washed as Taker's coming right back and acting like he didn't do shit. The only way this works is if Taker comes back as The American Badass. The Deadman Gimmick died at Mania last year. Yea, if he returns as The Undertaker it's more so everything that happened last year with his "retirement" is washed Taker has been prone to switch it up at Mania like he did a few years ago with HHH and being "The Last Outlaw" or something like that but I wonder if he just comes out as "himself" The Supernatural Undertaker is dead and if you want a match, you will get it against the plain old guy and not the man who shook fear in everyone for the last 20 odd years Which to me is American Badass. That was the most "Himself" Taker ever was. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 14:00:25 GMT -5
Yea, in the end this only "hurts" Reigns but then it sort of doesn't The biggest thing is it makes the Reigns match non existent because he's just someone that defeated Taker instead of retiring him. Brock got the streak, Cena potentially gets to retire Taker and Reigns just picked up a W It just got Reigns more boos really. It's like that Wyatt match which did nothing but say "hey Taker is still here everybody". They're treating Taker like that classic that we've already gotten over. It's sad. Correct This in the end will have done nothing for Reigns except brought him more boos. The real trophy was retiring Taker and now that's out the door This is the equivalent of still playing Joe Buddens "Pump it Up" in 2018. It's over, let the brother guy and vanish to do other things instead of always having that cloud over their head |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 14:02:57 GMT -5
Yea, if he returns as The Undertaker it's more so everything that happened last year with his "retirement" is washed Taker has been prone to switch it up at Mania like he did a few years ago with HHH and being "The Last Outlaw" or something like that but I wonder if he just comes out as "himself" The Supernatural Undertaker is dead and if you want a match, you will get it against the plain old guy and not the man who shook fear in everyone for the last 20 odd years Which to me is American Badass. That was the most "Himself" Taker ever was. Agreed. However, that still sort of puts a wet rag over it for me because I wanted "Classic Taker" vs "Ultimate John Cena" We got to see them face off when John was still young and wasn't The Guy yet while Taker was still in his American Badass phase |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 14:04:41 GMT -5
 Son, you see this gif. Man, it's not just this but look at that match. Taker had legit problems lifting Reigns up, he had problems standing up and he had problems moving around in the ring. We all post this gif because this was the synopsis of that match but if you go back and look at that match it wasn't just this, Taker looked bad. He looked bad in that Lesnar and Wyatt match too that's why we only remember how they ended. Taker hasn't looked great since that Punk match. Had 2 very good matches in late-2015 with Lesnar. Here's your problem; you keep using that as your argument, saying that if he had good matches in 2015, he will still have them. That was three years ago. Three years is negligible for a guy in his late 20s or early 30s, but once you reach 45+, it makes a world of difference. This logical fallacy can easily be remedied by watching two matches last year; the Royal Rumble, & Mania with Roman. In the Royal Rumble, they used every shortcut they could use & he looked very awful, as he was hobbling around and struggling to lift without grimacing. WrestleMania had the worst final match in modern history. The Rumble is legally up on YouTube & the Mania match will be in a few weeks. Go back & examine and then tell me if that's still 2015 Undertaker. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 14:06:37 GMT -5
Cena/Taker is them just admitting they’ve done a real poor job of building anyone up the past 12 months, isn’t it? I still envision WrestleMania will be renamed PartTimeMania, and every current wrestler besides Roman & Jordan will be on the preshow so 90% of the checks go to the old farts & stale talent. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 11, 2018 14:10:29 GMT -5
I'm not thrilled about seeing Taker back out there, but if anyone can send him out with a good match, it's Cena.
And Reigns/Lesnar from a booking standpoint is annoying as f***, but the match itself can be great if they simply allow the 2 to beat the ever loving piss out of each other for 25 min
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