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Post by abjordans on Jan 11, 2018 14:12:44 GMT -5
Taker and Cena both lost to Reigns this past year. Taker was embarrassed in that match and had a sendoff while Cena walked all over Reigns during promos but then got every single move of his crushed in their match, the guy did like 18 finishers and still got beat by 1 Spear. This is like seeing 2017 Lil Wayne go against 2017 50. Someone ain’t heard Dedication 6. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 11, 2018 14:15:06 GMT -5
I kinda want the story to be Taker chasing Cena and Cena not wanting to kill the old man off.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 14:15:18 GMT -5
I'm not thrilled about seeing Taker back out there, but if anyone can send him out with a good match, it's Cena. And Reigns/Lesnar from a booking standpoint is annoying as f***, but the match itself can be great if they simply allow the 2 to beat the ever loving piss out of each other for 25 min And with Reigns being 2 years smarter he's probably going to stand up to Heyman and Lesnar more in regards to getting stuff in as opposed to last time which still made a very good match I fully expect them to beat the dog piss out each other again |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 11, 2018 14:17:46 GMT -5
I'm not thrilled about seeing Taker back out there, but if anyone can send him out with a good match, it's Cena. And Reigns/Lesnar from a booking standpoint is annoying as f***, but the match itself can be great if they simply allow the 2 to beat the ever loving piss out of each other for 25 min And with Reigns being 2 years smarter he's probably going to stand up to Heyman and Lesnar more in regards to getting stuff in as opposed to last time which still made a very good match I fully expect them to beat the dog piss out each other again I just rewatched that match recently, and it was admittedly a lot better than I remembered, especially the latter half |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 11, 2018 14:19:00 GMT -5
I kinda want the story to be Taker chasing Cena and Cena not wanting to kill the old man off. That's kinda what they did with Flair/HBK at first and it worked awesome. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 14:20:01 GMT -5
And with Reigns being 2 years smarter he's probably going to stand up to Heyman and Lesnar more in regards to getting stuff in as opposed to last time which still made a very good match I fully expect them to beat the dog piss out each other again I just rewatched that match recently, and it was admittedly a lot better than I remembered, especially the latter half Well Reigns said that he had to basically for his way to get his shit in and when Lesnar smacked him he expected to get knocked out That first punch when he cut Lesnar a bit pissed him off |
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Post by lionheart21 on Jan 11, 2018 14:20:42 GMT -5
Lesnar/Reigns...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 14:20:56 GMT -5
I kinda want the story to be Taker chasing Cena and Cena not wanting to kill the old man off. That's kinda what they did with Flair/HBK at first and it worked awesome. And sort of a repeat with HHH/Taker with HHH trying to say the Deadman didn't have it anymore after he got carried off last year |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 11, 2018 14:23:28 GMT -5
That's kinda what they did with Flair/HBK at first and it worked awesome. And sort of a repeat with HHH/Taker with HHH trying to say the Deadman didn't have it anymore after he got carried off last year Yeah. I do think for this to work well, have Cena be less mean spirited about it than Trips was, and in turn, have THAT be what really pisses 'Taker off |
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 11, 2018 14:24:57 GMT -5
Had 2 very good matches in late-2015 with Lesnar. Here's your problem; you keep using that as your argument, saying that if he had good matches in 2015, he will still have them. That was three years ago. Three years is negligible for a guy in his late 20s or early 30s, but once you reach 45+, it makes a world of difference. This logical fallacy can easily be remedied by watching two matches last year; the Royal Rumble, & Mania with Roman. In the Royal Rumble, they used every shortcut they could use & he looked very awful, as he was hobbling around and struggling to lift without grimacing. WrestleMania had the worst final match in modern history. The Rumble is legally up on YouTube & the Mania match will be in a few weeks. Go back & examine and then tell me if that's still 2015 Undertaker. The hobbling you speak of was due to the hip, which has been fixed. And again, since his late-2015 run he has only had 2 matches. The Shane match and the Reigns match. I'm not writing off Taker vs. Cena as not capable of having an entertaining 15-20 minute 3 to 4 star match. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 11, 2018 14:25:57 GMT -5
Cena/Taker is them just admitting they’ve done a real poor job of building anyone up the past 12 months, isn’t it? Well when you decide a year in advance that the Main Event match is going to be Roman vs. Brock with Brock not only holding the title for a year but also pretty much squashing anyone he comes in contact with, that's gonna happen. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 14:30:22 GMT -5
Cena/Taker is them just admitting they’ve done a real poor job of building anyone up the past 12 months, isn’t it? Well when you decide a year in advance that the Main Event match is going to be Roman vs. Brock with Brock not only holding the title for a year but also pretty much squashing anyone he comes in contact with, that's gonna happen. Yea, like Brock "worked harder" this year but you could have most certainly put the title on Joe or Strowman this year during his match ups with them The fact that each guy got built up to ultra levels and got downed by one F-5 is also sort of puzzling Oh yeah he also defeated AJ Styles this year too in a champ vs champ match |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 14:31:30 GMT -5
Here's your problem; you keep using that as your argument, saying that if he had good matches in 2015, he will still have them. That was three years ago. Three years is negligible for a guy in his late 20s or early 30s, but once you reach 45+, it makes a world of difference. This logical fallacy can easily be remedied by watching two matches last year; the Royal Rumble, & Mania with Roman. In the Royal Rumble, they used every shortcut they could use & he looked very awful, as he was hobbling around and struggling to lift without grimacing. WrestleMania had the worst final match in modern history. The Rumble is legally up on YouTube & the Mania match will be in a few weeks. Go back & examine and then tell me if that's still 2015 Undertaker. The hobbling you speak of was due to the hip, which has been fixed. And again, since his late-2015 run he has only had 2 matches. The Shane match and the Reigns match. I'm not writing off Taker vs. Cena as not capable of having an entertaining 15-20 minute 3 to 4 star match. But is bringing in a older and hobbled Undertaker really worth a 3 star match? I can throw Heath Slater vs Cesaro out there and expect more than that |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 11, 2018 14:31:55 GMT -5
Yea, in the end this only "hurts" Reigns but then it sort of doesn't The biggest thing is it makes the Reigns match non existent because he's just someone that defeated Taker instead of retiring him. Brock got the streak, Cena potentially gets to retire Taker and Reigns just picked up a W It just got Reigns more boos really. It's like that Wyatt match which did nothing but say "hey Taker is still here everybody". T I disagree the Bray match was used to help put over that what Brock did was not just because Taker was old and couldn't hang any more, it was Taker is still the same as he ever was but cementing that Brock was just better than him. |
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Post by Fade on Jan 11, 2018 14:32:11 GMT -5
Meh. I'm still excited we're getting it. I really want it to be a Career Vs Career match though. No bullshit. Loser has to retire.
And as for Brock/Reigns, I randomly thought last night that I'd be stoked for this if they did it in a Hell in a Cell. They've already shown they will lovingly beat the shit out of each other, put 'em in a Cell or a similar No DQ gimmick.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 11, 2018 14:39:27 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure who I would have lose the Cena vs Taker match.
on one hand Cena is probably going to be around longer than Taker just due to Taker's age.
on the other the more people that beat Undertaker at Mania the less impressive a feat it becomes.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 11, 2018 14:39:29 GMT -5
Cena/Taker is them just admitting they’ve done a real poor job of building anyone up the past 12 months, isn’t it? Well when you decide a year in advance that the Main Event match is going to be Roman vs. Brock with Brock not only holding the title for a year but also pretty much squashing anyone he comes in contact with, that's gonna happen. Brock can't get the f*** out fast enough for my liking. He's been the 'big bad' since late 2013 and had managed to put over absolutely no one. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 11, 2018 14:43:43 GMT -5
Well when you decide a year in advance that the Main Event match is going to be Roman vs. Brock with Brock not only holding the title for a year but also pretty much squashing anyone he comes in contact with, that's gonna happen. Brock can't get the f*** out fast enough for my liking. He's been the 'big bad' since late 2013 and had managed to put over absolutely no one. It's partially because they've wanted to have Roman beat Brock to show off how totally awesome he is! but they've completely butchered Roman's face push from day one... but even then it's not like he's gotta lose to put someone over. Dean vs. Brock should have put Dean over as the terminator that could take mass amounts of punishment to put down... but Brock didn't want to do any of that... even if the WWE went with the Dean totally took Brock to the limit storyline... but that entire Wrestlemania seemed like it was non-canon. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 14:43:47 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure who I would have lose the Cena vs Taker match. on one hand Cena is probably going to be around longer than Taker just due to Taker's age. on the other the more people that beat Undertaker at Mania the less impressive a feat it becomes. Cena can take the L but you still don't want to have Taker another loss as well Also to factor in, keeping Cena somewhat strong for his eventual record breaking title win |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 11, 2018 14:48:00 GMT -5
Brock can't get the f*** out fast enough for my liking. He's been the 'big bad' since late 2013 and had managed to put over absolutely no one. but even then it's not like he's gotta lose to put someone over. Dean vs. Brock should have put Dean over as the terminator that could take mass amounts of punishment to put down... but Brock didn't want to do any of that... even if the WWE went with the Dean totally took Brock to the limit storyline... but that entire Wrestlemania seemed like it was non-canon. I'm not even a huge Ambrose mark, but that was brutal. Everyone talks about "missed chances" with this company, well, Ambrose taking an ass kicking and coming back for more, and really, *really* pushing Brock to the limit, could have been a 'bloody Austin in the Sharpshooter' moment. But instead, Brock acted like a little bitch and the moment, and what was actually a decent build, was sacrificed. |
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