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Post by ayumidah on Jan 11, 2018 16:02:17 GMT -5
So another year where the under card and mid-card are the only reasons I order Mania. No big surprise there.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jan 11, 2018 16:04:27 GMT -5
two biggest matches on the card feature three Part timers. Not to mention yearly triple h, Shane and Randy orton matches, it's going to be the same old guys going through the motions. I don't see nakamura vs styles happening as many others do, I think nakamura will be in the battle royal while styles against strowman would be my guess. I refuse to accept Shane will take a Mania spot again but I bet you’re right |
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jan 11, 2018 16:06:58 GMT -5
TBH the Daniel Bryan WM triumph is the only one in the last few years that has given me a reason to care. As someone who didn't watch wrestling during the AE,WM is one of my least favorite ppv's cause I am not nostalgic for guys who were at their peak 15-20 years ago doing nostalgia tours.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 16:08:45 GMT -5
I highly doubt it. Taker has not had a great match since HHH. His Brock match was trash tho he had a concussion, Bray was only okay, and punk was good Roman can work but Taker body is washed. Not even AJ Styles can get a good match out of him at this point He has two great matches with Bork in 2015 I like how this is now a joke response. |
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Post by bootytea on Jan 11, 2018 16:09:18 GMT -5
This solidifies my decision to avoid Wrestlemania.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jan 11, 2018 16:11:56 GMT -5
It's insane to think the amount of money they left on the table by never having Superman-era Cena vs Undertaker with the streak at stake. The closest we got was Lesnar/'Taker in what would be the end of the thing, but hell, we forget, that Brock's aura had been so damaged in 2012/2013, that we all half-expected it to be a hard-fought 'Taker win. It added to the shock, in hindsight, but we never really got that credible superman versus the streak deal that could've been with Cena/Taker. Yeah and we can thank Trips for using bork as a punch bag for a year |
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 11, 2018 16:12:37 GMT -5
He has two great matches with Bork in 2015 I like how this is now a joke response. Not sure why it's a joke. It only had to be brought up because people kept bringing up the cliched and tired "hasn't had a good match since Punk" stuff. |
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jan 11, 2018 16:13:38 GMT -5
I like how this is now a joke response. Not sure why it's a joke. It only had to be brought up because people kept bringing up the cliched and tired "hasn't had a good match since Punk" stuff. This |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 16:13:52 GMT -5
I like how this is now a joke response. Not sure why it's a joke. It only had to be brought up because people kept bringing up the cliched and tired "hasn't had a good match since Punk" stuff. Nobody is denying that they weren't good matches. The problem is that you use them as exclusive & definitive proof he will have a very good match this year. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 16:19:33 GMT -5
A good point was brought up, we all thought Taker would win against Lesnar through a hard-fought match. Nobody thought Lesnar was beating Taker and considering that we weren't as hyped for the match as we could have been nor were we all tuned into the match as well as we could have been. In retrospect imagine if that was Super Cena. You always hear about matches that have the crowd amped for them before wrestlers even step in the ring. Matches where you didn't know who the winner would be from the jump given the result would change the landscape of things. That would have been Cena/Taker years ago but now? It's just another match with a post-Streak Taker and a part-time Cena.
Sad how it's come to this. I hate how they've screwed up a ton of dream matches over the years purely because they wanna get somebody over who really doesn't need it.
Reigns beating Lesnar is gonna help who exactly? Roman "I'm too unstoppable" Reigns is gonna win again? Ok. Who's able to face him? Ridiculous. The only reason Lesnar beat dude was for Reigns. At the end of the day it all goes back to this guy. Taker, Cena, Lesnar, all 3 giants, all 3 legends, they were all sacrificed to 1 dude who doesn't need the win. Pathetic.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 11, 2018 16:20:43 GMT -5
Not sure why it's a joke. It only had to be brought up because people kept bringing up the cliched and tired "hasn't had a good match since Punk" stuff. Nobody is denying that they weren't good matches. The problem is that you use them as exclusive & definitive proof he will have a very good match this year. I'm not using them as "exclusive and definitive proof." I'm using them as evidence that with the right opponent, as recently as 2 years ago, he had very good matches. There's other evidence too: the atmosphere that the match will have (talk about workrate all you want but atmosphere always adds or detracts from a match); the fact that Cena is a very good worker and better than anyone he's faced since Punk; the fact that the 2 matches since the Lesnar 2015 matches are a Cell match with Shane McMahon and a match with Roman where he was limping around with a bad hip, which has since been fixed and so while probably not in perfect shape, is in the best shape in quite some time. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 16:30:28 GMT -5
A good point was brought up, we all thought Taker would win against Lesnar through a hard-fought match. Nobody thought Lesnar was beating Taker and considering that we weren't as hyped for the match as we could have been nor were we all tuned into the match as well as we could have been. In retrospect imagine if that was Super Cena. You always hear about matches that have the crowd amped for them before wrestlers even step in the ring. Matches where you didn't know who the winner would be from the jump given the result would change the landscape of things. That would have been Cena/Taker years ago but now? It's just another match with a post-Streak Taker and a part-time Cena. Sad how it's come to this. I hate how they've screwed up a ton of dream matches over the years purely because they wanna get somebody over who really doesn't need it. Reigns beating Lesnar is gonna help who exactly? Roman "I'm too unstoppable" Reigns is gonna win again? Ok. Who's able to face him? Ridiculous. And if u needed to do the match and wanted to really put Reigns over have him be the champ and beat the challenger Lesnar. Reigns should be in the middle of a long title reign with challengers to dethrone him in waiting instead of what we are about to get |
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Post by Chainsaw on Jan 11, 2018 16:31:29 GMT -5
Again, the shame of it is, if they had done Cena/Taker 3, 4 years ago, it would have been one of the hottest matches for them to promote on the biggest stage.
Now, it's too little, too late. I fully expect it to be a miserable match to watch, especially considering how tough it was watching Roman and Taker tangle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 16:36:36 GMT -5
A good point was brought up, we all thought Taker would win against Lesnar through a hard-fought match. Nobody thought Lesnar was beating Taker and considering that we weren't as hyped for the match as we could have been nor were we all tuned into the match as well as we could have been. In retrospect imagine if that was Super Cena. You always hear about matches that have the crowd amped for them before wrestlers even step in the ring. Matches where you didn't know who the winner would be from the jump given the result would change the landscape of things. That would have been Cena/Taker years ago but now? It's just another match with a post-Streak Taker and a part-time Cena. Sad how it's come to this. I hate how they've screwed up a ton of dream matches over the years purely because they wanna get somebody over who really doesn't need it. Reigns beating Lesnar is gonna help who exactly? Roman "I'm too unstoppable" Reigns is gonna win again? Ok. Who's able to face him? Ridiculous. And if u needed to do the match and wanted to really put Reigns over have him be the champ and beat the challenger Lesnar. Reigns should be in the middle of a long title reign with challengers to dethrone him in waiting instead of what we are about to get This is also a scary situation because I'm really thinking that we might also be getting a long title run from Reigns once he wins this belt. I swear, since I've started watching wrestling in the mid-90s I've always been able to deal with whoever is champion whether it's Reign of Terror HHH or even Cena because at the end of the day I knew that they'd eventually be beaten and they wouldn't keep the focus on them for too long. Reigns on the other hand, they've really been f***ing up the past 3 f***ING YEARS in order for him to get over. I literally do not get it. You sacrifice Taker, Cena and Lesnar and just, what? Dawg. I don't get it. We're now going to enter a long reign in order for him to look even more great. Shit's crazy. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 11, 2018 16:40:54 GMT -5
And if u needed to do the match and wanted to really put Reigns over have him be the champ and beat the challenger Lesnar. Reigns should be in the middle of a long title reign with challengers to dethrone him in waiting instead of what we are about to get This is also a scary situation because I'm really thinking that we might also be getting a long title run from Reigns once he wins this belt. I swear, since I've started watching wrestling in the mid-90s I've always been able to deal with whoever is champion whether it's Reign of Terror HHH or even Cena because at the end of the day I knew that they'd eventually be beaten and they wouldn't keep the focus on them for too long. Reigns on the other hand, they've really been f***ing up the past 3 f***ING YEARS in order for him to get over. I literally do not get it. You sacrifice Taker, Cena and Lesnar and just, what? Dawg. I don't get it. We're now going to enter a long reign in order for him to look even more great. Shit's crazy. He hasn’t had the title in 2 years. He’s about to get at least a 6-8 month Reign in which will almost be his first real test with the belt because the other times they f**ed him over and the last time he f***ed himself over with the failed test Even as a Reigns fan I don’t think I can sit through him getting 6-8 months with the belt after having Lesnar walk around with it for one year. If this would have been Reigns on some one year title shit right now like he’s Okada and you have hot challengers behind him I would be good with that but That’s not the case and after all the accolades which includes beating Taker and Cena last year, he’s now about to go through the roster again because they couldn’t get it right the first time. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jan 11, 2018 16:47:00 GMT -5
Does wwe realize that by having Taker wrestle again after only a year, they are actually diminishing Roman's accomplishments, lmao?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 17:08:14 GMT -5
Does wwe realize that by having Taker wrestle again after only a year, they are actually diminishing Roman's accomplishments, lmao? Its a weird concept. But it goes over Grampa Simpson himself in Stamford. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 11, 2018 17:17:23 GMT -5
Does wwe realize that by having Taker wrestle again after only a year, they are actually diminishing Roman's accomplishments, lmao? It’s weird, because now they’ve created a scenario where Reigns stood in the ring in front of post-Mania crowd where they threw every chant at him in the book, with both Reigns and the crowd under the impression that he retired the Undertaker. And it’s easily one of the best things Reigns ever did. Now, it just sort of means nothing. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Jan 11, 2018 17:29:00 GMT -5
Does wwe realize that by having Taker wrestle again after only a year, they are actually diminishing Roman's accomplishments, lmao? It’s weird, because now they’ve created a scenario where Reigns stood in the ring in front of post-Mania crowd where they threw every chant at him in the book, with both Reigns and the crowd under the impression that he retired the Undertaker. And it’s easily one of the best things Reigns ever did. Now, it just sort of means nothing. A lot of Reigns’s big moments end up like that. Most eliminations in a single Rumble? Meh, didn’t win the match. He wins that the year later? Meh, got pinned in the WrestleMania title match from the Rollins MITB cash in. Finally wins the world title? Meh, he got cashed in on like five minutes later. Grand Slam Champion? Meh, Ambrose beat him to it. Bad booking is truly highlighted by where they go wrong with the people they WANT to push, not just how the pushes of others compare to those people. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 17:32:47 GMT -5
Hmm...
Has there ever been an accomplishment of Roman's that is solely his or at least his version is the best one? Out of all the Shield guys Roman's first win is the worst, most eliminations in the Rumble are trash, Lesnar matches aren't the best Lesnar's had since his return and it goes on and on. It's really made me think. There's something that a lot of major guys have that's theirs and stands out but in Roman's case even his accomplishments don't measure up to everyone else's. How sad is it that even dude's accomplishments, the thing that's supposed to help identify him, just make him more in the crowd?
That's sad.
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