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Post by DJ Maniak on Jan 22, 2018 20:26:54 GMT -5
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Post by Fade on Jan 22, 2018 20:32:37 GMT -5
I just thought. This is gonna put them under a real microscope for a while, say if they want to roll out known wife beater Steve Austin or something... As he literally just started off the 25th anniversary of their flagship show by stunning the Boss and his son to cheers. Naaaaah..a lot of the "thy end is near" hyperbole is just that. The company or others more than likely won't feel any heat for this. The absolute, serious severity of the situation falls on Enzo and Enzo alone. As others have said, his wrestling career might be the least of his worries right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 20:35:14 GMT -5
I just thought. This is gonna put them under a real microscope for a while, say if they want to roll out known wife beater Steve Austin or something... Or claim that Moolah is a feminist icon in wrestling. |
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Post by Juice on Jan 22, 2018 20:36:48 GMT -5
I just thought. This is gonna put them under a real microscope for a while, say if they want to roll out known wife beater Steve Austin or something... As he literally just started off the 25th anniversary of their flagship show by stunning the Boss and his son to cheers. Naaaaah..a lot of the "thy end is near" hyperbole is just that. The company or others more than likely won't feel any heat for this. The absolute, serious severity of the situation falls on Enzo and Enzo alone. As others have said, his wrestling career might be the least of his worries right now. There is so much end is nigh attitude these days. I don't get it. Wishful thinking maybe? As stated the known wife beater just blew the roof off the arena |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 21:27:33 GMT -5
What did he do? If you don't wanna mention it's fine. There was around 8 people all sat around a table in a bar, including Enzo and my friend, he was drinking out of a whiskey bottle. They have mutual friends, but he didn't know who she was and he spent around 40 minutes staring a hole through her and whenever she spoke he'd turn away or just do something to make it obvious that he was blanking her. That's as much as she's told me, but I've known her for 10 years and if she tells me someone is a "c***", then I will believe her haha. That means he's capable of rape? Because he's an immature jerk? |
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Post by The Trashman on Jan 22, 2018 21:32:11 GMT -5
There was around 8 people all sat around a table in a bar, including Enzo and my friend, he was drinking out of a whiskey bottle. They have mutual friends, but he didn't know who she was and he spent around 40 minutes staring a hole through her and whenever she spoke he'd turn away or just do something to make it obvious that he was blanking her. That's as much as she's told me, but I've known her for 10 years and if she tells me someone is a "c***", then I will believe her haha. That means he's capable of rape? Because he's an immature jerk? Sure doesn't mean he isn't. |
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jan 22, 2018 22:05:37 GMT -5
As I always say with threads like these People who are proven to have commited a crime, will end up in a court of law Those who make false accusations without evidence will end up in a court of law. If you don't have evidence, then don't accuse. This isn't always the case, especially with rape. If US law is anything like UK law, the fact that she went to medical facility for mental health reasons would be used by the defence as to why she was not a reliable witness. Which, with most rape victims suffering PTSD in the form of flashbacks, because it is a traumatic event, it's difficult to even get a trial. So the rape that causes the mental health problems (in a lot of cases) can't be prosecuted because of the mental health problem caused by the rape. A friend of mine worked as a mental health nurse for several years, often working with victims of rape. Only two victims even got their day in court. I mean, it doesn't help her case that she sells nudes on snapchat. If it's true, Enzo is scum, but if it's not true, she's picked an easy guy to target. She also has a YouTube video up saying she faked a pregnancy and talking about how crazy she is, FYI. I think Enzo is a piece of shit...but all it takes is a quick look at this girls twitter to know she’s f***ed up, with a history of lying about some serious shit. The fact that they can't even spell their alleged rapist's name right raises red flags with me. That's all I'm gonna say on this piece. It's victim blaming attitudes like these that not only make it easier for rapists to target women like these, but also stops them reporting cases of rape. If you're wondering, in the US:  In the UK:  In Canada:  Well what if Enzo didn’t do it? I mean it’s just as possible that he could have his life and reputation ruined for a false accusation. Plus the fact that the woman has supposedly lied doesn’t help her case. I think there should be more facts and evidence to come out before we judge. |
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Post by Kyn on Jan 22, 2018 22:08:00 GMT -5
Jeez. I thought (in a way) it was great that he leaned into being a scummy douchebag and lived the character in a way most wrestlers don't these days. Now I really regret it. If this is true it wasn't just him leaning into the character, it was him toning down his true nature if anything.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 22, 2018 22:11:43 GMT -5
This isn't always the case, especially with rape. If US law is anything like UK law, the fact that she went to medical facility for mental health reasons would be used by the defence as to why she was not a reliable witness. Which, with most rape victims suffering PTSD in the form of flashbacks, because it is a traumatic event, it's difficult to even get a trial. So the rape that causes the mental health problems (in a lot of cases) can't be prosecuted because of the mental health problem caused by the rape. A friend of mine worked as a mental health nurse for several years, often working with victims of rape. Only two victims even got their day in court. It's victim blaming attitudes like these that not only make it easier for rapists to target women like these, but also stops them reporting cases of rape. If you're wondering, in the US: In the UK: In Canada: Well what if Enzo didn’t do it? I mean it’s just as possible that he could have his life and reputation ruined for a false accusation. Plus the fact that the woman has supposedly lied doesn’t help her case. I think there should be more facts and evidence to come out before we judge. Don't want to speak for avenger, but his the point I'm taking away from their post is not anything to do with rape accusations, but one where attitudes where "She has lied in her life before" or "She's a sex worker so how can she be raped" are things that actively harm rape victims. You're saying there should be more facts before anyone judges, but by saying 'She's lied about things that aren't rape and that means it puts her case in doubt' is judging. If people want to take an impartial position of not saying anything until an arrest is made or more than the accusation comes along then fine, that's completely fair. But openly casting doubt on her story is not waiting for the details to come out and not being impartial, it's very much making a decision, and making one that is actively harmful to victims who have to face these sorts of doubts in coming out with their real experiences. You can confront misconceptions and harmful attitudes about rape in general without saying "No, unequivocably this accusation means Enzo is definitely a rapist". And that's more what I think avenger was going for. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 22:16:50 GMT -5
That means he's capable of rape? Because he's an immature jerk? Sure doesn't mean he isn't. The evidence that is coming out is pretty damning, don't get me wrong. This story of yours, and it leading to you thinking he's a rapist - is kind of a stretch. I suppose the point is moot in this case, because of the aforementioned evidence, but you made that statement before knowing anything else than "he's a bit of a creep and ignored my friend" = rapist. |
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 22, 2018 22:35:56 GMT -5
Don't want to speak for avenger, but his the point I'm taking away from their post is not anything to do with rape accusations, but one where attitudes where "She has lied in her life before" or "She's a sex worker so how can she be raped" are things that actively harm rape victims. You're saying there should be more facts before anyone judges, but by saying 'She's lied about things that aren't rape and that means it puts her case in doubt' is judging. If people want to take an impartial position of not saying anything until an arrest is made or more than the accusation comes along then fine, that's completely fair. But openly casting doubt on her story is not waiting for the details to come out and not being impartial, it's very much making a decision, and making one that is actively harmful to victims who have to face these sorts of doubts in coming out with their real experiences. You can confront misconceptions and harmful attitudes about rape in general without saying "No, unequivocably this accusation means Enzo is definitely a rapist". And that's more what I think avenger was going for. Most of those things are fair arguments, but having said that, there are some parts of this that are a little different from it. Things like "she has been in a mental health facility", or "she has done drugs or worked as a sex worker in the past", are noise and absolutely don't play a role in this issue to say that she could have been raped. They're basically irrelevant to the issue of "Did Enzo Amore rape her?" If she has mental issues, she can still be raped. If she has done drugs, she can be raped. If she's worked as a sex worker, she can be raped. However, Things like "She has made a video in the past talking about she lied about being pregnant to get revenge on an ex-boyfriend for breaking up with her", on the other hand? That fact absolutely needs to play a part in judging a case like this, because it is VERY RELEVANT TO THIS ISSUE. The fact that the victim has admitted in the past that she is perfectly willing to lie about serious actions in order to get revenge on people who have rejected her is incredibly relevant to the case at hand, because it does cast doubt on her claim here. Yes, it doesn't mean she can't be raped because she lied in the past, but considering what she lied about, it has to be taken into account here (and is able to say "Well, this could be a boy who cried wolf" situation.) There are problems with actively harming rape victims here, but putting things that are pretty big red flags, like that video, in the same boat as things that are basically inconsequential is ALSO actively harming rape victims. |
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Post by Dub H on Jan 22, 2018 22:38:59 GMT -5
Sure doesn't mean he isn't. The evidence that is coming out is pretty damning, don't get me wrong. This story of yours, and it leading to you thinking he's a rapist - is kind of a stretch. I suppose the point is moot in this case, because of the aforementioned evidence, but you made that statement before knowing anything else than "he's a bit of a creep and ignored my friend" = rapist. To be fair it isn`t hard to search where he was and make your story to it.Not saying is that, but the case will probably come down to proving if they were in the same place, if toopoor and that other guy were at that same place. And in this thread we have both extremes "he was scummy so i'm not surprised" and "she has a past,could be liying" neither things should be used to discredit either sides.At most the lying about being pregnant can be used if the trial gets at a point neither side can prove their story. Given i'm not the expert in rape trials, but I assume you have to prove that you were in the same place and that it was non-consesual. |
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jan 22, 2018 22:44:42 GMT -5
Don't want to speak for avenger, but his the point I'm taking away from their post is not anything to do with rape accusations, but one where attitudes where "She has lied in her life before" or "She's a sex worker so how can she be raped" are things that actively harm rape victims. You're saying there should be more facts before anyone judges, but by saying 'She's lied about things that aren't rape and that means it puts her case in doubt' is judging. If people want to take an impartial position of not saying anything until an arrest is made or more than the accusation comes along then fine, that's completely fair. But openly casting doubt on her story is not waiting for the details to come out and not being impartial, it's very much making a decision, and making one that is actively harmful to victims who have to face these sorts of doubts in coming out with their real experiences. You can confront misconceptions and harmful attitudes about rape in general without saying "No, unequivocably this accusation means Enzo is definitely a rapist". And that's more what I think avenger was going for. Most of those things are fair arguments, but having said that, there are some parts of this that are a little different from it. Things like "she has been in a mental health facility", or "she has done drugs or worked as a sex worker in the past", are noise and absolutely don't play a role in this issue to say that she could have been raped. They're basically irrelevant to the issue of "Did Enzo Amore rape her?" If she has mental issues, she can still be raped. If she has done drugs, she can be raped. If she's worked as a sex worker, she can be raped. However, Things like "She has made a video in the past talking about she lied about being pregnant to get revenge on an ex-boyfriend for breaking up with her", on the other hand? That fact absolutely needs to play a part in judging a case like this, because it is VERY RELEVANT TO THIS ISSUE. The fact that the victim has admitted in the past that she is perfectly willing to lie about serious actions in order to get revenge on people who have rejected her is incredibly relevant to the case at hand, because it does cast doubt on her claim here. Yes, it doesn't mean she can't be raped because she lied in the past, but considering what she lied about, it has to be taken into account here (and is able to say "Well, this could be a boy who cried wolf" situation.) There are problems with actively harming rape victims here, but putting things that are pretty big red flags, like that video, in the same boat as things that are basically inconsequential is ALSO actively harming rape victims. This was the point I meant to make. Took the words right out of my mouth |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 22, 2018 22:50:28 GMT -5
Don't want to speak for avenger, but his the point I'm taking away from their post is not anything to do with rape accusations, but one where attitudes where "She has lied in her life before" or "She's a sex worker so how can she be raped" are things that actively harm rape victims. You're saying there should be more facts before anyone judges, but by saying 'She's lied about things that aren't rape and that means it puts her case in doubt' is judging. If people want to take an impartial position of not saying anything until an arrest is made or more than the accusation comes along then fine, that's completely fair. But openly casting doubt on her story is not waiting for the details to come out and not being impartial, it's very much making a decision, and making one that is actively harmful to victims who have to face these sorts of doubts in coming out with their real experiences. You can confront misconceptions and harmful attitudes about rape in general without saying "No, unequivocably this accusation means Enzo is definitely a rapist". And that's more what I think avenger was going for. Most of those things are fair arguments, but having said that, there are some parts of this that are a little different from it. Things like "she has been in a mental health facility", or "she has done drugs or worked as a sex worker in the past", are noise and absolutely don't play a role in this issue to say that she could have been raped. They're basically irrelevant to the issue of "Did Enzo Amore rape her?" If she has mental issues, she can still be raped. If she has done drugs, she can be raped. If she's worked as a sex worker, she can be raped. However, Things like "She has made a video in the past talking about she lied about being pregnant to get revenge on an ex-boyfriend for breaking up with her", on the other hand? That fact absolutely needs to play a part in judging a case like this, because it is VERY RELEVANT TO THIS ISSUE. The fact that the victim has admitted in the past that she is perfectly willing to lie about serious actions in order to get revenge on people who have rejected her is incredibly relevant to the case at hand, because it does cast doubt on her claim here. Yes, it doesn't mean she can't be raped because she lied in the past, but considering what she lied about, it has to be taken into account here (and is able to say "Well, this could be a boy who cried wolf" situation.) There are problems with actively harming rape victims here, but putting things that are pretty big red flags, like that video, in the same boat as things that are basically inconsequential is ALSO actively harming rape victims. Lying about something does not open up the entirety of the public to start making judgment calls about a stranger when it comes to something that is honestly on a completely different level from a fake pregnancy revenge plot. There is a police report involved here, and the difference between those two sorts of things is huge. Something like this would go to a witness's credibility in comparison to other evidence, which we as the public are not really privy to right now. Trying to judge her based on one thing about her life that had nothing to do with fake rape allegations or any police reports being fired is still going into a level of digging and prodding about that is very openly harmful, because it means that rape victims suddenly have to fear everything they'd done in their life that might not be on the straight and narrow being used as a means of discrediting them. THAT is where the harm is done, not in saying that any lie someone tells does not actively make a rape allegation shaky. |
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 22, 2018 22:59:29 GMT -5
Lying about something does not open up the entirety of the public to start making judgment calls about a stranger when it comes to something that is honestly on a completely different level from a fake pregnancy revenge plot. There is a police report involved here, and the difference between those two sorts of things is huge. Something like this would go to a witness's credibility in comparison to other evidence, which we as the public are not really privy to right now. Trying to judge her based on one thing about her life that had nothing to do with fake rape allegations or any police reports being fired is still going into a level of digging and prodding about that is very openly harmful, because it means that rape victims suddenly have to fear everything they'd done in their life that might not be on the straight and narrow being used as a means of discrediting them. THAT is where the harm is done, not in saying that any lie someone tells does not actively make a rape allegation shaky. Again, you just don't get it. If the woman made a white lie about something small, or a big lie that was hurtful, even that doesn't change the problem of a rape allegation. But quite frankly, a fake pregnancy revenge plot is ABSOLUTELY in the same wheelhouse as someone making up a false rape accusation. It's not an unfair argument to claim that someone who would lie about being pregnant to punish their ex-boyfriend for leaving them, would probably also be willing to lie about being raped to get back on someone who rejected them. In both cases, the same endgame is there: "You rejected me? NO ONE rejects me. I will make you PAY", that the victim in question openly said she used for her ex boyfriend in this case, This is where the problem is- and this lie itself automatically makes this rape allegation shaky- not because "well, she lied in the past", but rather the fact that because of this lie about a fake pregnancy revenge plot, you cannot 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt, say "Well, did she really get raped by Enzo, or did she make it up to ruin Enzo's career because Enzo rejected her?"- and that is a very big problem for this if there's a case. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jan 22, 2018 23:01:57 GMT -5
I surely hope this isn't true as he's actually one of my favorites and I appreciate his old school wrestling attitude. But what gets me, and this is if it's true, why would he rape anyone? He's famous, not a bad looking guy and is in pretty decent shape, has money, and because he's on television he could literally get any woman he wanted in retrospect. Why would he even consider raping a woman? I know Shawn mentioned in his book that because he was on television women threw themselves at him, not because they were fans of wrestling, but because they saw him on television and knew who he was. So I definitely need more information before stating my opinion on the matter.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 22, 2018 23:08:41 GMT -5
Lying about something does not open up the entirety of the public to start making judgment calls about a stranger when it comes to something that is honestly on a completely different level from a fake pregnancy revenge plot. There is a police report involved here, and the difference between those two sorts of things is huge. Something like this would go to a witness's credibility in comparison to other evidence, which we as the public are not really privy to right now. Trying to judge her based on one thing about her life that had nothing to do with fake rape allegations or any police reports being fired is still going into a level of digging and prodding about that is very openly harmful, because it means that rape victims suddenly have to fear everything they'd done in their life that might not be on the straight and narrow being used as a means of discrediting them. THAT is where the harm is done, not in saying that any lie someone tells does not actively make a rape allegation shaky. Again, you just don't get it. If the woman made a white lie about something small, or a big lie that was hurtful, even that doesn't change the problem of a rape allegation. But quite frankly, a fake pregnancy revenge plot is ABSOLUTELY in the same wheelhouse as someone making up a false rape accusation. It's not an unfair argument to claim that someone who would lie about being pregnant to punish their ex-boyfriend for leaving them, would probably also be willing to lie about being raped to get back on someone who rejected them. In both cases, the same endgame is there: "You rejected me? NO ONE rejects me. I will make you PAY", that the victim in question openly said she used for her ex boyfriend in this case, This is where the problem is- and this lie itself automatically makes this rape allegation shaky- not because "well, she lied in the past", but rather the fact that because of this lie about a fake pregnancy revenge plot, you cannot 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt, say "Well, did she really get raped by Enzo, or did she make it up to ruin Enzo's career because Enzo rejected her?"- and that is a very big problem for this if there's a case. Rape allegations are long-lasting, life-ruining, criminal charges-inducing things. Are you really trying to position a lie out of direct, personal revenge on someone she was in a committed relationship with, and making a massive, potentially mutually self-destructive accusation of a much higher degree and opening herself up to criminal charges if she's lying or even sending an innocent man to jail if she's not exposed for said lie, against someone she would have had like a one-night fling with months ago? You're the one who's not getting it here. A fake pregnancy plot is something between two people, a very public rape allegation against a celebrity opens up so many long-lasting consequences for her life, for how people treat her, for what her name forever means when an employer loooks around and Googles it, and that's not opening up what a fake rape allegation brings to the table for long-lasting consequences. There is a massive difference in these two situations in both the scope of any lies involved, and in how much actual attachment she has to the people involved, and a factor that can't be ignored in this is that differences are inversely proportionate. So I'm going to spell this out in big-ass letters and then drop this line of conversation entirely, because you're still missing the underlying point I'm making in the midst of all of this, and I don't want to go in circles belabouring the point: IF A RAPE VICTIM BELIEVES THEIR LIFE WILL BE PUT UNDER A MICROSCOPE AND THEIR EVERY POSSIBLE UNSAVORY ACTION WILL BE USED AS AMMUNITION TO DISCREDIT THEM AND IMPUGN THEM AS PEOPLE, THEN YOU CREATE A CLIMATE WHEREIN VICTIMS HAVE ANOTHER REASON NOT TO COME FORWARD, AND THE WILLINGNESS TO LOOK AT PAST LIES THAT AREN'T FAKE RAPE ALLEGATIONS OR OTHER FALSIFIED CRIMINAL MATTERS AS A REASON TO INHERENTLY DOUBT SOMEBODY IS HARMFUL TO ALL RAPE VICTIMS BECAUSE NOBODY IS FLAWLESS AND THE DIGGING UP OF ALL OF YOUR DIRT TO SHOVE INTO YOUR FACE AND SAY "HEY LOOK? LOOK? YOU'RE A f***ING LIAR" WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A TRAUMATIC SITUATION IS HORRIFYING. IF HER ALLEGATIONS ARE FAKE THEN IT WILL COME FROM A COURT OR FROM POLICE INVESTIGATION, AND NOT FROM RANDOM INTERNET DICKS MAKING JUDGMENT CALLS ABOUT STRANGERS |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 23:13:23 GMT -5
I just thought. This is gonna put them under a real microscope for a while, say if they want to roll out known wife beater Steve Austin or something... I doubt it. The WWE is run by the same racists, homophobes, and misogynists that have run the place for the past few decades. They have smartened up about how to handle PR situations. No one remembers, knows about, or cares about Austin's wife beating past, or Snuka's murder, or Moolah's past, or Warrior's past, etc, so they can throw that shit on TV and no one will bat an eye. But Hogan's racist rant and now this allegation are current and right in the forefront of today's social media environment. It sucks, but if a top star raped someone 20 years ago, they could come back to a hero's welcome because the WWE knows they could get away with it, but if it happened recently, then the WWE (rightfully if true) has to act on it for PR reasons. |
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Post by Kyn on Jan 22, 2018 23:16:49 GMT -5
I surely hope this isn't true as he's actually one of my favorites and I appreciate his old school wrestling attitude. But what gets me, and this is if it's true, why would he rape anyone? He's famous, not a bad looking guy and is in pretty decent shape, has money, and because he's on television he could literally get any woman he wanted in retrospect. Why would he even consider raping a woman? (...) For some rapists, availability of willing women isn't the issue.They don't WANT a willing woman. They get off on the terror they're inflicting on their victim, and proving how powerful they are. Or they get mad that a woman turned them down and rape her as revenge, basically (a 'she was asking for it' line of thinking.) (Also, he couldn't 'literally' get any woman he wants. A lot of women have standards higher than 'Guy you can Google'.) |
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 22, 2018 23:17:53 GMT -5
Again, you just don't get it. If the woman made a white lie about something small, or a big lie that was hurtful, even that doesn't change the problem of a rape allegation. But quite frankly, a fake pregnancy revenge plot is ABSOLUTELY in the same wheelhouse as someone making up a false rape accusation. It's not an unfair argument to claim that someone who would lie about being pregnant to punish their ex-boyfriend for leaving them, would probably also be willing to lie about being raped to get back on someone who rejected them. In both cases, the same endgame is there: "You rejected me? NO ONE rejects me. I will make you PAY", that the victim in question openly said she used for her ex boyfriend in this case, This is where the problem is- and this lie itself automatically makes this rape allegation shaky- not because "well, she lied in the past", but rather the fact that because of this lie about a fake pregnancy revenge plot, you cannot 100%, beyond a shadow of a doubt, say "Well, did she really get raped by Enzo, or did she make it up to ruin Enzo's career because Enzo rejected her?"- and that is a very big problem for this if there's a case. Rape allegations are long-lasting, life-ruining, criminal charges-inducing things. Are you really trying to position a lie out of direct, personal revenge on someone she was in a committed relationship with, and making a massive, potentially mutually self-destructive accusation of a much higher degree and opening herself up to criminal charges if she's lying or even sending an innocent man to jail if she's not exposed for said lie, against someone she would have had like a one-night fling with months ago? You're the one who's not getting it here. A fake pregnancy plot is something between two people, a very public rape allegation against a celebrity opens up so many long-lasting consequences for her life, for how people treat her, for what her name forever means when an employer loooks around and Googles it, and that's not opening up what a fake rape allegation brings to the table for long-lasting consequences. There is a massive difference in these two situations in both the scope of any lies involved, and in how much actual attachment she has to the people involved, and a factor that can't be ignored in this is that differences are inversely proportionate. So I'm going to spell this out in big-ass letters and then drop this line of conversation entirely, because you're still missing the underlying point I'm making in the midst of all of this, and I don't want to go in circles belabouring the point: IF A RAPE VICTIM BELIEVES THEIR LIFE WILL BE PUT UNDER A MICROSCOPE AND THEIR EVERY POSSIBLE UNSAVORY ACTION WILL BE USED AS AMMUNITION TO DISCREDIT THEM AND IMPUGN THEM AS PEOPLE, THEN YOU CREATE A CLIMATE WHEREIN VICTIMS HAVE ANOTHER REASON NOT TO COME FORWARD, AND THE WILLINGNESS TO LOOK AT PAST LIES THAT AREN'T FAKE RAPE ALLEGATIONS OR OTHER FALSIFIED CRIMINAL MATTERS AS A REASON TO INHERENTLY DOUBT SOMEBODY IS HARMFUL TO ALL RAPE VICTIMS BECAUSE NOBODY IS FLAWLESS AND THE DIGGING UP OF ALL OF YOUR DIRT TO SHOVE INTO YOUR FACE AND SAY "HEY LOOK? LOOK? YOU'RE A f***ING LIAR" WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A TRAUMATIC SITUATION IS HORRIFYING. IF HER ALLEGATIONS ARE FAKE THEN IT WILL COME FROM A COURT OR FROM POLICE INVESTIGATION, AND NOT FROM RANDOM INTERNET DICKS MAKING JUDGMENT CALLS ABOUT STRANGERSk but you rong doe. If you're doing it, then I will do the same thing. IF A RAPE VICTIM HAS DONE SOME UNSAVORY ACTIONS IN THEIR LIFE, THEN IT MEANS NOTHING AND DOES NOT MEAN THEY SHOULD BE DISCREDITED.
IF A RAPE VICTIM HAS DONE SOMETHING UNSAVORY, THAT IS INCREDIBLY RELEVANT TO THEIR CLAIM AS A RAPE VICTIM, THEN IT HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL.
TO DENY THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION AND PUT THEM IN THE SAME BOAT AS IRRELEVANT ASPECTS OF THE DISCUSSION IS TO INHERENTLY HURT RAPE VICTIMS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE AND ALLOWS POTENTIALLY FALSE CHARGES TO EXIST, AND FALSE RAPE CHARGES- ALL FALSE RAPE CHARGES-
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