Enzo Released. Rape accuser video pg52 *content warning*

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That video on her YouTube is literally her bragging about faking a pregnancy and being "batshit crazy." Never made any judgment one way or another, just was putting it out there.

[Raw is Doodie101]

Jan 22, 2018 23:17:53 GMT -5 Reflecto said:

Jan 22, 2018 23:08:41 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

Rape allegations are long-lasting, life-ruining, criminal charges-inducing things. Are you really trying to position a lie out of direct, personal revenge on someone she was in a committed relationship with, and making a massive, potentially mutually self-destructive accusation of a much higher degree and opening herself up to criminal charges if she's lying or even sending an innocent man to jail if she's not exposed for said lie, against someone she would have had like a one-night fling with months ago? You're the one who's not getting it here. A fake pregnancy plot is something between two people, a very public rape allegation against a celebrity opens up so many long-lasting consequences for her life, for how people treat her, for what her name forever means when an employer loooks around and Googles it, and that's not opening up what a fake rape allegation brings to the table for long-lasting consequences. There is a massive difference in these two situations in both the scope of any lies involved, and in how much actual attachment she has to the people involved, and a factor that can't be ignored in this is that differences are inversely proportionate.

So I'm going to spell this out in big-ass letters and then drop this line of conversation entirely, because you're still missing the underlying point I'm making in the midst of all of this, and I don't want to go in circles belabouring the point: IF A RAPE VICTIM BELIEVES THEIR LIFE WILL BE PUT UNDER A MICROSCOPE AND THEIR EVERY POSSIBLE UNSAVORY ACTION WILL BE USED AS AMMUNITION TO DISCREDIT THEM AND IMPUGN THEM AS PEOPLE, THEN YOU CREATE A CLIMATE WHEREIN VICTIMS HAVE ANOTHER REASON NOT TO COME FORWARD, AND THE WILLINGNESS TO LOOK AT PAST LIES THAT AREN'T FAKE RAPE ALLEGATIONS OR OTHER FALSIFIED CRIMINAL MATTERS AS A REASON TO INHERENTLY DOUBT SOMEBODY IS HARMFUL TO ALL RAPE VICTIMS BECAUSE NOBODY IS FLAWLESS AND THE DIGGING UP OF ALL OF YOUR DIRT TO SHOVE INTO YOUR FACE AND SAY "HEY LOOK? LOOK? YOU'RE A f***ING LIAR" WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A TRAUMATIC SITUATION IS HORRIFYING. IF HER ALLEGATIONS ARE FAKE THEN IT WILL COME FROM A COURT OR FROM POLICE INVESTIGATION, AND NOT FROM RANDOM INTERNET DICKS MAKING JUDGMENT CALLS ABOUT STRANGERS

k but you rong doe.

If you're doing it, then I will do the same thing.

IF A RAPE VICTIM HAS DONE SOME UNSAVORY ACTIONS IN THEIR LIFE, THEN IT MEANS NOTHING AND DOES NOT MEAN THEY SHOULD BE DISCREDITED.

IF A RAPE VICTIM HAS DONE SOMETHING UNSAVORY, THAT IS INCREDIBLY RELEVANT TO THEIR CLAIM AS A RAPE VICTIM, THEN IT HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL.

TO DENY THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION AND PUT THEM IN THE SAME BOAT AS IRRELEVANT ASPECTS OF THE DISCUSSION IS TO INHERENTLY HURT RAPE VICTIMS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE AND ALLOWS POTENTIALLY FALSE CHARGES TO EXIST, AND FALSE RAPE CHARGES- ALL FALSE RAPE CHARGES-
DO MORE TO CAUSE RAPE VICTIMS TO BE DISTRUSTED THAN ANYTHING ELSE. 

You’re talking from a legal perspective and he’s talking about a society perspective.

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Some of you guys need to shut the f*** up and leave this topic alone instead of bitching at each other. It's straight up embarrassing just the past couple of pages.

On topic: This is shitty news for everyone all the way around. Puts WWE in a spot concerning the title at a bad time of year as well. Seems like it could be one more nail for the coffin of 205 Live no matter how the accusations pan out.

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

Everyone needs to dial it back a notch RIGHT NOW.

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Yeah a mod needs to lock this thread ASAP.

[The 1Watcher Experience]

Jan 22, 2018 23:16:49 GMT -5 Kyn said:

Jan 22, 2018 23:01:57 GMT -5 riseofsetian1981 said:

I surely hope this isn't true as he's actually one of my favorites and I appreciate his old school wrestling attitude. But what gets me, and this is if it's true, why would he rape anyone? He's famous, not a bad looking guy and is in pretty decent shape, has money, and because he's on television he could literally get any woman he wanted in retrospect. Why would he even consider raping a woman? (...)

For some rapists, availability of willing women isn't the issue.They don't WANT a willing woman. They get off on the terror they're inflicting on their victim, and proving how powerful they are. Or they get mad that a woman turned them down and rape her as revenge, basically (a 'she was asking for it' line of thinking.)

(Also, he couldn't 'literally' get any woman he wants. A lot of women have standards higher than 'Guy you can Google'.)

Look at Bill Cosby. He’s far more rich and famous than Enzo. Allegedly, at his peak in popularity, he was drugging women and raping dozens of them. Just because you think someone wouldn’t have to be a rapist doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of being one. There are some messed up people in this world.

I’ve seen people knocking the girl for using her sexuality to make money. While I don’t agree with the criticism I do understand why it happens. Let’s say this incident happened. Perhaps Enzo knew her background and treated her like some kind of disposable person because that’s how he saw her. Maybe he thought no one would believe her so it didn’t matter how he treated her. Just a thought that crossed my mind. Nothing more. 

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Jan 22, 2018 23:30:54 GMT -5 Raw is Doodie101 said:

Jan 22, 2018 23:17:53 GMT -5 Reflecto said:

k but you rong doe.

If you're doing it, then I will do the same thing.

IF A RAPE VICTIM HAS DONE SOME UNSAVORY ACTIONS IN THEIR LIFE, THEN IT MEANS NOTHING AND DOES NOT MEAN THEY SHOULD BE DISCREDITED.

IF A RAPE VICTIM HAS DONE SOMETHING UNSAVORY, THAT IS INCREDIBLY RELEVANT TO THEIR CLAIM AS A RAPE VICTIM, THEN IT HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL.

TO DENY THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION AND PUT THEM IN THE SAME BOAT AS IRRELEVANT ASPECTS OF THE DISCUSSION IS TO INHERENTLY HURT RAPE VICTIMS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE AND ALLOWS POTENTIALLY FALSE CHARGES TO EXIST, AND FALSE RAPE CHARGES- ALL FALSE RAPE CHARGES-
DO MORE TO CAUSE RAPE VICTIMS TO BE DISTRUSTED THAN ANYTHING ELSE. 

You’re talking from a legal perspective and he’s talking about a society perspective.

Unfortunately in the case of the accuser, even if she was raped, a lawyer would bring up her past behavior in a second to dispute it, especially without physical evidence. Again, none of us really know anything about what happened, which is why I'm not going to pass judgment on anything until more details are known, but legally, she's in a bind if all those things she did before come to light. Tough spot for her.

[Kyn]

Jan 22, 2018 23:38:36 GMT -5 The 1Watcher Experience said:

Look at Bill Cosby. He’s far more rich and famous than Enzo. Allegedly, at his peak in popularity, he was drugging women and raping dozens of them. Just because you think someone wouldn’t have to be a rapist doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of being one. There are some messed up people in this world.

I’ve seen people knocking the girl for using her sexuality to make money. While I don’t agree with the criticism I do understand why it happens. Let’s say this incident happened. Perhaps Enzo knew her background and treated her like some kind of disposable person because that’s how he saw her. Maybe he thought no one would believe her so it didn’t matter how he treated her. Just a thought that crossed my mind. Nothing more. 

Speaking generally, that attitude definitely exists. Some people treat those in the sex industry with less respect than they have for the sock under their bed.

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Jan 22, 2018 23:01:57 GMT -5 riseofsetian1981 said:

I surely hope this isn't true as he's actually one of my favorites and I appreciate his old school wrestling attitude. But what gets me, and this is if it's true, why would he rape anyone? He's famous, not a bad looking guy and is in pretty decent shape, has money, and because he's on television he could literally get any woman he wanted in retrospect. Why would he even consider raping a woman? I know Shawn mentioned in his book that because he was on television women threw themselves at him, not because they were fans of wrestling, but because they saw him on television and knew who he was. So I definitely need more information before stating my opinion on the matter.

Rape is about power.

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Man, this thread has derailed.

[Sparvid]

Jan 22, 2018 20:23:34 GMT -5 @mattyphatty said:

Jan 22, 2018 20:11:21 GMT -5 @selhurst said:

Some questions are raised with the timing. This happens in October, Enzo is not charged yet but they are still looking into it, WWE presumably is aware of it in October but keeps Enzo on the roster (and continues to push him as champion and even begin a romance angle for him) and it was all kept out of the press (no mean feat Enzo is a wrestler the tabloids would be interested in). Now a few months later the alleged victim goes public while the police are still considering if charges should be brought, that surely brings its own risks at the least it would make a future potential jury selection more difficult due to Enzo being well known. I doubt the cops/DA are happy (it should be noted my knowledge of the US legal system only comes from John Grisham novels). And WWEs hand is forced. I guess the main questions would be related to why this is all happening now? Maybe both victim and company got word the cops have enough to drop the hammer so felt confident in outing/suspending Enzo respectively.

WWE almost certainly didn’t know about it in October. Hell, Enzo probably didn’t even know there was an investigation. No charges or anything have been filed, so why would Phoenix PD tip their hand that they were investigating?

So according the the Phoenix PD "under investigation" means "Yeah, in three months we haven't even gotten around to speak with the accused about it"?

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Jan 22, 2018 23:50:41 GMT -5 Sparvid said:

Jan 22, 2018 20:23:34 GMT -5 @mattyphatty said:

WWE almost certainly didn’t know about it in October. Hell, Enzo probably didn’t even know there was an investigation. No charges or anything have been filed, so why would Phoenix PD tip their hand that they were investigating?

So according the the Phoenix PD "under investigation" means "Yeah, in three months we haven't even gotten around to speak with the accused about it"?

That's really not unusual. Typically they like to try and go as far in an investigation as possible before actually speaking to the accused. Wait until they have an upper hand to catch them up in something or to pressure them with.

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Jan 22, 2018 23:34:22 GMT -5 @mrsirdrdaddy said:

On topic: This is shitty news for everyone all the way around. Puts WWE in a spot concerning the title at a bad time of year as well. Seems like it could be one more nail for the coffin of 205 Live no matter how the accusations pan out.

In little over a month they've gone from having their number one contender charged with domestic abuse to having their reigning champion accused of sexual assault, the latter just hours before RAW's 25th anniversary (a point driven by some people actually tagging their tweets about the case #RAW25).

Between that and their flagship star walking, I wouldn't be surprised if they did just sort of quietly phase it out.

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The woman went to a hospital and the doctors determined she suffered a sexual assault and the police was contacted.

She didn't faked anything. The facts are that she's the victim of a sexual assault. We don't know if Enzo did it or not. There's an ongoing investigation. In the following days we'll now more about it.

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I'm actually a little confused about the timeline of events. So this happened in Oct. 2016? Was it reported back then and the victim is going public with it now, or did the investigation start very recently?

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Jan 23, 2018 0:00:08 GMT -5 @mrsirdrdaddy said:

I'm actually a little confused about the timeline of events. So this happened in Oct. 2016? Was it reported back then and the victim is going public with it now, or did the investigation start very recently?

It all says 2017, you might have just misread it.

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Jan 23, 2018 0:00:08 GMT -5 @mrsirdrdaddy said:

I'm actually a little confused about the timeline of events. So this happened in Oct. 2016? Was it reported back then and the victim is going public with it now, or did the investigation start very recently?

It was October 2017.

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Jan 23, 2018 0:01:33 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

Jan 23, 2018 0:00:08 GMT -5 @mrsirdrdaddy said:

I'm actually a little confused about the timeline of events. So this happened in Oct. 2016? Was it reported back then and the victim is going public with it now, or did the investigation start very recently?

It all says 2017, you might have just misread it.

Did the company ran shows around the Phoenix area during that time?

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Jan 22, 2018 23:49:28 GMT -5 @jdogindy said:

Man, this thread has derailed.

Honestly, it felt like only a matter of time, these types of threads NEVER go well.

[EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese]

Jan 23, 2018 0:05:10 GMT -5 OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 said:

Jan 23, 2018 0:01:33 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

It all says 2017, you might have just misread it.

Did the company ran shows around the Phoenix area during that time?

No, this was in the midweek empty spot between the last TV taping of the week on Tuesday (SmackDown/205 Live in Seattle) and the first house show of the weekend on Friday in St. Louis. Phoenix was a bit out of the way in terms of the travel route, but if he has indeed done what the allegations claim he has, he had enough time to get there and then go to St. Louis.