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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 0:13:47 GMT -5
I'm actually a little confused about the timeline of events. So this happened in Oct. 2016? Was it reported back then and the victim is going public with it now, or did the investigation start very recently? It all says 2017, you might have just misread it. It did? I could have sworn I saw 2016 Yeah, I just checked. OP says 2016. |
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Post by Kyn on Jan 23, 2018 0:15:57 GMT -5
OP says 2016, but I'm pretty sure it's a typo. Someone was thinking 'last year', and forgot it's 2018 now.
Edit: Beaten to it.
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Jan 23, 2018 0:17:03 GMT -5
It all says 2017, you might have just misread it. It did? I could have sworn I saw 2016 Yeah, I just checked. OP says 2016. I think that's just an error in the report on the OP, because one of the screenshotted text messages show messages sent in 2017, and the tweet from Ryan Satin that has the police statement says the allegations are for something committed in 2017. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 23, 2018 0:17:53 GMT -5
Did the company ran shows around the Phoenix area during that time? No, this was in the midweek empty spot between the last TV taping of the week on Tuesday (SmackDown/205 Live in Seattle) and the first house show of the weekend on Friday in St. Louis. Phoenix was a bit out of the way in terms of the travel route, but if he has indeed done what the allegations claim he has, he had enough time to get there and then go to St. Louis. I'm not a cop and I don't play one on tv but I wonder if in the following months after the assault they investigated Enzo's schedule and movements. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 0:18:18 GMT -5
It did? I could have sworn I saw 2016 Yeah, I just checked. OP says 2016. I think that's just an error in the report on the OP, because one of the screenshotted text messages show messages sent in 2017, and the tweet from Ryan Satin that has the police statement says the allegations are for something committed in 2017. Well OP dun f***ed up and I am absolved of all blame. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 0:20:21 GMT -5
Did the company ran shows around the Phoenix area during that time? No, this was in the midweek empty spot between the last TV taping of the week on Tuesday (SmackDown/205 Live in Seattle) and the first house show of the weekend on Friday in St. Louis. Phoenix was a bit out of the way in terms of the travel route, but if he has indeed done what the allegations claim he has, he had enough time to get there and then go to St. Louis. Theoretically, wrestlers do use travel days as down time if they don't have families. Take in a few sights before going somewhere else. Could have been that way. Its a bitch to go to St. Louis via LAX or Burbank, so Phoenix would be a cheaper choice. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Jan 23, 2018 0:22:59 GMT -5
No, this was in the midweek empty spot between the last TV taping of the week on Tuesday (SmackDown/205 Live in Seattle) and the first house show of the weekend on Friday in St. Louis. Phoenix was a bit out of the way in terms of the travel route, but if he has indeed done what the allegations claim he has, he had enough time to get there and then go to St. Louis. I'm not a cop and I don't play one on tv but I wonder if in the following months after the assault they investigated Enzo's schedule and movements. Checking his Instagram archive, he was definitely in the Phoenix area on the 19th. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 0:24:04 GMT -5
I'm not a cop and I don't play one on tv but I wonder if in the following months after the assault they investigated Enzo's schedule and movements. Checking his Instagram archive, he was definitely in the Phoenix area on the 19th. Social media is a double edged sword. It can prove innocence & guilt. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 0:27:32 GMT -5
The woman went to a hospital and the doctors determined she suffered a sexual assault and the police was contacted. She didn't faked anything. The facts are that she's the victim of a sexual assault. We don't know if Enzo did it or not. There's an ongoing investigation. In the following days we'll now more about it. Doctors cannot determine if a sexual assault occurred because for all they know, the patient could be into some weird stuff. They can note injuries and what not but for an adult that is capable of making decisions on their own, they cannot make these charges. The patient/victim would have to tell the staff what happened, and then by law, police have to be made aware of it. From there everything else goes back to the patient/victim. |
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Post by nate5054 on Jan 23, 2018 0:32:43 GMT -5
That video on her YouTube is literally her bragging about faking a pregnancy and being "batshit crazy." Never made any judgment one way or another, just was putting it out there. It definitely doesn't do her any favors. That will be brought up by the defense of it ever goes to trial. And it will probably be a compelling if there isn't some rock solid evidence on her side. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 23, 2018 0:33:15 GMT -5
I'm not a cop and I don't play one on tv but I wonder if in the following months after the assault they investigated Enzo's schedule and movements. Checking his Instagram archive, he was definitely in the Phoenix area on the 19th. Well that doesn't help him. Also allegedly two of his friends were also there. Enzo just left the cops a trail. |
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 23, 2018 0:41:20 GMT -5
Someone says they've been burgled by someone else, everyone either accepts it or lets the police deal with it.
Someone says they've been raped by someone else, and everyone turns into amateur detectives, raking through Twitter histories, finding out dodgy things from their past, and trying to discredit them.
And then people wonder why rapes and sexual assaults aren't reported.
It doesn't matter what her past is, what her job is, what lies she may have told in the past, or how many guys she might have slept with, all that matters is what happened that night. None of that would make her less of a victim if Enzo did what he's being accused of.
Let the WWE and the police deal with it, instead of trying to discredit a woman that might have had a horrible crime committed against her.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 23, 2018 1:03:19 GMT -5
I'm not a cop and I don't play one on tv but I wonder if in the following months after the assault they investigated Enzo's schedule and movements. Checking his Instagram archive, he was definitely in the Phoenix area on the 19th. Posted from the airport in Phoenix on the 19th: https://instagram.com/p/BacG_o4gH1R |
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Post by 67 more on Jan 23, 2018 4:47:08 GMT -5
Someone says they've been burgled by someone else, everyone either accepts it or lets the police deal with it. Someone says they've been raped by someone else, and everyone turns into amateur detectives, raking through Twitter histories, finding out dodgy things from their past, and trying to discredit them. And then people wonder why rapes and sexual assaults aren't reported. It doesn't matter what her past is, what her job is, what lies she may have told in the past, or how many guys she might have slept with, all that matters is what happened that night. None of that would make her less of a victim if Enzo did what he's being accused of. Let the WWE and the police deal with it, instead of trying to discredit a woman that might have had a horrible crime committed against her. It's a lot easier to stomach someone committing theft than committing any sort of sexual crime, so people are more willing to find a shred of innocence or doubt. Not saying it's correct or right, but that's the thought process. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jan 23, 2018 4:51:19 GMT -5
Basically, the girl could be an asshole, but that doesn't discredit the fact this could have happened. Enzo is a proven asshole, it doesn't mean he did it. It doesn't matter who the person is, both scenarios are incredibly valid, and that's why it's an incredibly tense situation. And it is best for WWE and the Police to handle it and get to the bottom of it, and HOPEFULLY come up with the best case scenario which is this didn't happen, for both their sakes in the long run.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 23, 2018 7:45:44 GMT -5
Someone says they've been burgled by someone else, everyone either accepts it or lets the police deal with it. Someone says they've been raped by someone else, and everyone turns into amateur detectives, raking through Twitter histories, finding out dodgy things from their past, and trying to discredit them. And then people wonder why rapes and sexual assaults aren't reported. It doesn't matter what her past is, what her job is, what lies she may have told in the past, or how many guys she might have slept with, all that matters is what happened that night. None of that would make her less of a victim if Enzo did what he's being accused of. Let the WWE and the police deal with it, instead of trying to discredit a woman that might have had a horrible crime committed against her. It's a lot easier to stomach someone committing theft than committing any sort of sexual crime, so people are more willing to find a shred of innocence or doubt. Not saying it's correct or right, but that's the thought process. Of course. Doesn't change the fact that it's only rape and sexual assault cases that sees the accuser torn apart. It's rape culture at its finest. |
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Post by Dub H on Jan 23, 2018 8:12:17 GMT -5
It's a lot easier to stomach someone committing theft than committing any sort of sexual crime, so people are more willing to find a shred of innocence or doubt. Not saying it's correct or right, but that's the thought process. Of course. Doesn't change the fact that it's only rape and sexual assault cases that sees the accuser torn apart. It's rape culture at its finest. Its not because rape culture,it is because rape is by far the most difficult to condemn, it is far harder to prove than murder,theft or even assault. |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 23, 2018 9:03:23 GMT -5
It's a lot easier to stomach someone committing theft than committing any sort of sexual crime, so people are more willing to find a shred of innocence or doubt. Not saying it's correct or right, but that's the thought process. Of course. Doesn't change the fact that it's only rape and sexual assault cases that sees the accuser torn apart. It's rape culture at its finest. Anyone trying to prosecute a rape case is rarely going to have much to go on other than “he said, she said”. Would you prefer that the behavior and motives of the parties involved not be considered at all? |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 23, 2018 12:10:35 GMT -5
Of course. Doesn't change the fact that it's only rape and sexual assault cases that sees the accuser torn apart. It's rape culture at its finest. Anyone trying to prosecute a rape case is rarely going to have much to go on other than “he said, she said”. Would you prefer that the behavior and motives of the parties involved not be considered at all? Depends on how broad you want to consider'behavior'. Casting that net too wide is how you get the "well she in a short skirt.." bullshit. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jan 23, 2018 12:15:13 GMT -5
A couple of years from now in prison...
"Spell Soft now motherf***er"
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