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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 23, 2018 12:21:21 GMT -5
Anyone trying to prosecute a rape case is rarely going to have much to go on other than “he said, she said”. Would you prefer that the behavior and motives of the parties involved not be considered at all? Depends on how broad you want to consider'behavior'. Casting that net too wide is how you get the "well she in a short skirt.." bullshit. In this case we have someone who’s already claimed to have faked a pregnancy and described themselves as “crazy”. That doesn’t at all mean her story isn’t true, but I think it’s absolutely something that should be considered. |
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Post by 67 more on Jan 23, 2018 12:31:33 GMT -5
It's a lot easier to stomach someone committing theft than committing any sort of sexual crime, so people are more willing to find a shred of innocence or doubt. Not saying it's correct or right, but that's the thought process. Of course. Doesn't change the fact that it's only rape and sexual assault cases that sees the accuser torn apart. It's rape culture at its finest. I agree it's bullshit that victims have to go through that, but again, it's easier to believe someone is a liar than a rapist. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 23, 2018 12:35:43 GMT -5
Of course. Doesn't change the fact that it's only rape and sexual assault cases that sees the accuser torn apart. It's rape culture at its finest. I agree it's bullshit that victims have to go through that, but again, it's easier to believe someone is a liar than a rapist. If you mean in terms of gravity, maybe, but statistically? Very, very few rape accusations are shown to be false. (Not counting "lack of evidence" acquittals or dropped charges, which aren't the same thing) |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 23, 2018 12:37:26 GMT -5
This country is going to be Themyscira eventually, isn't it?
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Post by 67 more on Jan 23, 2018 12:41:41 GMT -5
I agree it's bullshit that victims have to go through that, but again, it's easier to believe someone is a liar than a rapist. If you mean in terms of gravity, maybe, but statistically? Very, very few rape accusations are shown to be false. (Not counting "lack of evidence" acquittals or dropped charges, which aren't the same thing) I mean in terms of gravity. Would never be disgusting enough to suggest most victims are liars. Sexual crimes are by far the worse, more so than murder or terrorism. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 23, 2018 12:43:48 GMT -5
Depends on how broad you want to consider'behavior'. Casting that net too wide is how you get the "well she in a short skirt.." bullshit. In this case we have someone who’s already claimed to have faked a pregnancy and described themselves as “crazy”. That doesn’t at all mean her story isn’t true, but I think it’s absolutely something that should be considered. sure, but at the same time you can't dismiss allegations solely because of thoae things. Certainly a Defense attorney would jump on those, but the only real relevant facts are IF something occurred, and if that can be proven or not. Faking a pregnancy is terrible, and could play into a character thing, but doesn't automatically mean she wasn't assaulted either |
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Post by Fade on Jan 23, 2018 12:44:43 GMT -5
Was watching a podcast with Neal Brennan recently where he joked that the eventual answer to cases like this will be body cams. Sounds ridiculous but not too far fetched to be honest.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jan 23, 2018 12:45:38 GMT -5
I agree it's bullshit that victims have to go through that, but again, it's easier to believe someone is a liar than a rapist. If you mean in terms of gravity, maybe, but statistically? Very, very few rape accusations are shown to be false. (Not counting "lack of evidence" acquittals or dropped charges, which aren't the same thing) I'm assuming gravity, if you had one friend accused to being a liar or thief and one friend accused of sexually assaulting someone it's only natural to believe the liar accusation easier then believing the rape accusation (or domestic assault, murder etc of that level of severity) |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 23, 2018 12:58:51 GMT -5
In this case we have someone who’s already claimed to have faked a pregnancy and described themselves as “crazy”. That doesn’t at all mean her story isn’t true, but I think it’s absolutely something that should be considered. sure, but at the same time you can't dismiss allegations solely because of thoae things. Certainly a Defense attorney would jump on those, but the only real relevant facts are IF something occurred, and if that can be proven or not. Faking a pregnancy is terrible, and could play into a character thing, but doesn't automatically mean she wasn't assaulted either I agree. My objection is to people acting as though the past behavior and character of the accuser shouldn’t even be an issue in a case like this, and characterizing anyone who thinks differently as complicit in “rape culture”. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jan 23, 2018 13:00:26 GMT -5
This country is going to be Themyscira eventually, isn't it? Invisible to the naked eye?! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 13:18:55 GMT -5
Honestly even if there's nothing to this - and who can say one way or the other at this point - I could easily imagine that Enzo's WWE career is over. The accusation does at least seem to have some weight to it (NOT saying Enzo did it, just saying it's certainly within the realm of possibility that he did given he was in town at the time it happened and this was reported then) and if WWE's waiting for the ultimate results of the investigation that could take years. Not that it necessarily will but it's within the realm of possibility.
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Post by The Captain on Jan 23, 2018 13:24:49 GMT -5
sure, but at the same time you can't dismiss allegations solely because of thoae things. Certainly a Defense attorney would jump on those, but the only real relevant facts are IF something occurred, and if that can be proven or not. Faking a pregnancy is terrible, and could play into a character thing, but doesn't automatically mean she wasn't assaulted either I agree. My objection is to people acting as though the past behavior and character of the accuser shouldn’t even be an issue in a case like this, and characterizing anyone who thinks differently as complicit in “rape culture”. Unless that past behavior is a history of false rape accusations, it really shouldn't be an issue. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 23, 2018 13:27:00 GMT -5
I surely hope this isn't true as he's actually one of my favorites and I appreciate his old school wrestling attitude. But what gets me, and this is if it's true, why would he rape anyone? He's famous, not a bad looking guy and is in pretty decent shape, has money, and because he's on television he could literally get any woman he wanted in retrospect. Why would he even consider raping a woman? I know Shawn mentioned in his book that because he was on television women threw themselves at him, not because they were fans of wrestling, but because they saw him on television and knew who he was. So I definitely need more information before stating my opinion on the matter. Rape is about power. I was typing a longer response but you just summed it up perfectly in just a few words, thank you. |
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Post by lionheart21 on Jan 23, 2018 13:29:16 GMT -5
I surely hope this isn't true as he's actually one of my favorites and I appreciate his old school wrestling attitude. But what gets me, and this is if it's true, why would he rape anyone? He's famous, not a bad looking guy and is in pretty decent shape, has money, and because he's on television he could literally get any woman he wanted in retrospect. Why would he even consider raping a woman? I know Shawn mentioned in his book that because he was on television women threw themselves at him, not because they were fans of wrestling, but because they saw him on television and knew who he was. So I definitely need more information before stating my opinion on the matter. Rape is about power. Bingo |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jan 23, 2018 13:31:25 GMT -5
I'm with those who are saving their judgements for more evidence the more I think about it. Past behaviors or personalities don't matter until guilt or innocence is proven. I've heard about was less douchey guys than Enzo committing rape and far crazier or saner people than the accuser having been the victim of rape. You don't have to be a stable or an honest Abe type of person to experience sexual assault/harassment and you don't have to be an outwardly sleezey guy to commit those actions either is what I'm saying. Waiting
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 23, 2018 13:45:07 GMT -5
Whichever way this plays out, it may be safe to say that Enzo won't be trusted by many in the locker room anymore and won't be seen in photos with them or participating in any fun stuff with them. It's not simply that he's been accused of sexual assault, but indeed that he has a habit of entering situations where he becomes a ready target for such accusations, regardless of merit (and while I have questions about the accused's YT video impacting on her credibility, I do believe that, on the surface at least, her accusations are credible).
Maybe I shouldn't care but I can't help but wonder how much of the news was playing on the minds of some others on the roster last night.
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Post by rrh on Jan 23, 2018 13:46:35 GMT -5
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Post by lionheart21 on Jan 23, 2018 13:46:45 GMT -5
And...he's gone
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 13:46:54 GMT -5
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 23, 2018 13:47:46 GMT -5
Yeah.....not surprised.
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