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Post by Dub H on Jan 23, 2018 14:31:32 GMT -5
The fact that he knew and didn't tell WWE...Jesus if you knew without a doubt you were innocent wouldn't you be hightailing it to the billion dollar company you work for for some legal assistance? Even if the woman comes out and say she lied about the whole things,dude is not getting hired back,he is a public face in their company, he 100% had to tell then about this. |
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 23, 2018 14:32:32 GMT -5
rape does not make sense. You're lookin at it like these dudes are makin a logical decision based on 'well I could get sex any time, why would I rape?' rapists aren't just after sex. Did Kobe get convicted? no |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 23, 2018 14:33:22 GMT -5
Sounds like that's probably what made them decide to ditch him. And that he's apparently been aware of it for months while just keeping it to himself is not a good look on him at all. Yeah, this is probably the whole reason they released him. He put WWE in a position where they could have looked bad. However I'm not sure what that says abut him. Right now they are accusing him, there aren't actual charges. The investigation is looking to see if there's any evidence that could show that a crime happened. They are waiting for the results of a medical test. IF he believes himself to be innocent, lets say he had no contact with the woman. I could see him just wanting to ride it out to the eventual negative test result. Def not what I would do especially in this climate, but it wouldn't attach a judgement value if it was the case. Even still, by not telling WWE, maybe out of fear of being suspended for the duration or fired on the spot, he's still putting them into a position where if they found out, even if he'd been cleared, they'd still pretty much have to fire him. If they didn't, it's basically an endorsement of his handling of this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 14:33:52 GMT -5
I’m not going to rush to any judgment (I work for a Public Defenders Office, so innocent until proven guilty is pretty deeply instilled in me), but the fact that WWE has now outright released him rather than suspending him pending a resolution of the case does not bode well for Enzo. According to their stated policy, that means they’ve reviewed whatever facts are available to this extraordinarily early point in the case and decided that, whether or not he’s guilty of a crime, the factual circumstances under which he’s been accused constitute a violation of the so-called “morals clause.”
It’s also very strange to me that as far as i can tell, it’s gotten to this point without there being some kind of statement from Enzo or his lawyers. Even something like “we are not going to comment on this ongoing investigation”. The silence is deafening.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 14:34:36 GMT -5
Given the current circumstances. How does the WWE react to this regarding 205 Live? Do they just say the cruiserweight championship is vacant and have tournament? They have to acknowledge it at some point. At the moment the title's been removed from the roster page and is listed as vacant on its own page. |
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Post by Captain & Diet on Jan 23, 2018 14:34:48 GMT -5
Unbelievable. Released with no proof. Hopefully he is cleared and gets his job back.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 23, 2018 14:34:51 GMT -5
I’m not going to rush to any judgment (I work for a Public Defenders Office, so innocent until proven guilty is pretty deeply instilled in me), but the fact that WWE has now outright released him rather than suspending him pending a resolution of the case does not bode well for Enzo. According to their stated policy, that means they’ve reviewed whatever facts are available to this extraordinarily early point I the case and decided that, whether or not he’s guilty of a crime, the factual circumstances under which he’s been accused constitute a violation of the so-called “morals clause.” It’s also very strange to me that as far as i can tell, it’s gotten to this point without there being some kind of statement from Enzo or his lawyers. Even something like “we are not going to comment on this ongoing investigation”. The silence is deafening. The release is more about Enzo never telling anyone in WWE about this situation ,i'm pretty sure Vince and many others were furious to be blindsided by that |
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Post by Fade on Jan 23, 2018 14:35:36 GMT -5
Well, Corey Graves must be celebrating.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 23, 2018 14:35:56 GMT -5
Sounds like that's probably what made them decide to ditch him. And that he's apparently been aware of it for months while just keeping it to himself is not a good look on him at all. Yeah, this is probably the whole reason they released him. He put WWE in a position where they could have looked bad. However I'm not sure what that says abut him. Right now they are accusing him, there aren't actual charges. The investigation is looking to see if there's any evidence that could show that a crime happened. They are waiting for the results of a medical test. IF he believes himself to be innocent, lets say he had no contact with the woman. I could see him just wanting to ride it out to the eventual negative test result. Def not what I would do especially in this climate, but it wouldn't attach a judgement value if it was the case. If you're absolutely sure of yourself, you go to them, and you volunteer to take the immediate suspension until it all plays out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 14:36:15 GMT -5
Unbelievable. Released with no proof. Hopefully he is cleared and gets his job back. He was most likely released for the fact he knew about the investigation and didn't tell them about it. Innocent or guilty that's just a phenomenally stupid thing to do that opened the door for WWE to potentially end up in some serious hot water. |
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Jan 23, 2018 14:36:40 GMT -5
Wow...there goes four months of storylines for 205 Live right in the toilet. I'd be surprised if the show makes it to the end of the year at this rate, every person they've put in the top spots have either been injured, arrested, or walked away from the company. So much information to process, on top of the whole rape allegation thing too... What I'd do is book a Cruiserweight Battle Royal on 205 tonight, with the winner facing Cedric for the vacant belt at the Rumble. |
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Post by CH Punk on Jan 23, 2018 14:36:40 GMT -5
Just think... With witnesses and an arrest on file for domestic violence, Rich Swann remains employed. I can't help but think they have more information than is public right now. Possibly, but looking at it with pragmatic/Occam's razor perspective, this isn't surprising. Considering that he already had enough heat that he got kicked off the European tour bus and that he didn't warn WWE about this situation, it's not surprising that WWE decided that he wasn't worth their trouble and cut him. Swann's arrest was made known pretty much when it happened and, as far as I know, he wasn't hated by the locker room and/or management. So I can see WWE going by their rules and firing him only if there's a conviction. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 14:36:44 GMT -5
I say this.
Say "f*** 205" and just have a tourney for a 205 Champion. Have the champion fight guys in other weight classes and the reason he's champion isn't because he's the guy with the best, it's because he's the most impressive guy under 205. If there's someone they think is better? Have said person go against the champion and the winner is the champion until someone else is as impressive under that weight limit. Sure they wouldn't do it but I'm trying to find a way to have the 205 guys mingle with other talent.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jan 23, 2018 14:36:47 GMT -5
There has to be more to this than has been made public. Look, I am no fan of Enzo and think he sucks, but to suspend and release someone without him being indicted yet seem a bit like a rush to judgement. If he is convicted then fine, but if there are no charges even filed? The release seems as much for the not telling WWE part as the actual accusations. To think a few weeks ago we nearly had a cruiser title match of Enzo vs. Swann. One guy is suspended now for a weird incident with his wife and the other guy is an accused rapist. Could be that WWE wants none of this attention. Innocent until proven guilty and all that but that doesn't keep WWE safe from public scrutiny keeping him employed. It certainly doesn't help matters that cases like this can take months and even years. All of which time, Eric's in the news as " WWE Superstar Enzo Amore". Even without him just sitting on an active investigation, which I'm sure was the nail in the coffin, they were probably gonna let him go off GP. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 14:38:14 GMT -5
I say this. Say "f*** 205" and just have a tourney for a 205 Champion. Have the champion fight guys in other weight classes and the reason he's champion isn't because he's the guy with the best, it's because he's the most impressive guy under 205. If there's someone they think is better? Have said person go against the champion and the winner is the champion until someone else is as impressive under that weight limit. Sure they wouldn't do it but I'm trying to find a way to have the 205 guys mingle with other talent. I'd just kill 205 Live at this point. Dump most of the guys in NXT, keep Gulak and maybe Kendrick on the main roster, and cut the ones they don't intend to do anything with. The whole division's just been more trouble than it's worth. |
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Post by Shy Guy on Jan 23, 2018 14:38:28 GMT -5
cruiserweight royal rumble sunday night to announce a new champ.
IT ONLY MAKES SENSE, IT CAN BE RUMBLES ALL NIGHT
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Post by The Captain on Jan 23, 2018 14:39:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the actual release was because of the blindsiding and putting his employer in a PR nightmare the eve of their big 25th anniversary show as much as anything. Even if he was completely innocent of rape, he f***ed up incredibly in handling this responsibly.
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Post by Tenshigure on Jan 23, 2018 14:39:43 GMT -5
Unbelievable. Released with no proof. Hopefully he is cleared and gets his job back. I'd say he was likely already in hot water and on his 'last chance' with the company well before this investigation came to light. Even if he comes out the other end clean, don't expect him back with the company anytime soon. |
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Post by Jokaine on Jan 23, 2018 14:40:08 GMT -5
No because his legal team leaked the identity of his accuser and slut-shamed her into oblivion. That combined with the threats made against her by scumbag Kobe fans after her identity got leaked pressured her to drop her accusations. Have there been any other allegations or accusations of sexual assault levied against Kobe Bryant? |
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Post by Fade on Jan 23, 2018 14:40:44 GMT -5
I say this. Say "f*** 205" and just have a tourney for a 205 Champion. Have the champion fight guys in other weight classes and the reason he's champion isn't because he's the guy with the best, it's because he's the most impressive guy under 205. If there's someone they think is better? Have said person go against the champion and the winner is the champion until someone else is as impressive under that weight limit. Sure they wouldn't do it but I'm trying to find a way to have the 205 guys mingle with other talent. I'd just kill 205 Live at this point. Dump most of the guys in NXT, keep Gulak and maybe Kendrick on the main roster, and cut the ones they don't intend to do anything with. The whole division's just been more trouble than it's worth. Seriously, kill the cursed atrocity. Split the dudes and engrain them on both rosters. Guaranteed they'll find more success that way than keeping this stupid division afloat. |
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