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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 24, 2018 3:08:57 GMT -5
If the guy needs a babysitter then maybe he isn't fit for the job in the first place though. Not really a fair spot to put Cass in. It's hard for me to believe Enzo's anything but screwed. He's gonna have to get his name cleared with no uncertain terms or he's gonna have a stigma that I can't see WWE looking past. Even if he's deemed not guilty, any sliver of doubt will be bad for him. To be fair, Shawn had a similar lifestyle in 97 with Trips having to keep him straight, remember? Just to add to this, more cynically, Shawn was a main eventer when the WWF was hurting for talent, so he was "worth" protecting more. If he's innocent, straight up rehab offer, if he wants it, bring him back in a few months/a year, but I have major doubts Enzo would want to give up this lifestyle. |
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jan 24, 2018 4:09:31 GMT -5
Not even mentioning the sexual stuff,this doesn't appear like Enzo is a guy who is struggling with personal demons and drug addiction ,this is more like a 30 year old acting like a 20 year rich party bro still and just hasn't grown up. Granted you hope if an addiction is actually what is going on someone in his circle pushes him toward rehab
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Post by BigAl on Jan 24, 2018 4:14:32 GMT -5
So will whats what's left of TNA hire him?
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jan 24, 2018 5:00:25 GMT -5
So will whats what's left of TNA hire him? God I hope not, but these idiots are stupid enough to do just about anything especially the shit you don't expect them to be stupid enough to do. If proven innocent, and WWE doesn't want him back on the grounds he was a dumbass idiot and lied to them and never told them about the allegation, I could see TNA opening up discussions, but I can see other promotions also opening up discussions if he's cleared that could be more worth his time. Ultimately I don't think anyone is going to offer him a deal RIGHT NOW, that'd be way too much bad PR, but if the charges are beat, dropped, found in Enzo's favor, it opens up more of a path for him in theory |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 24, 2018 6:14:29 GMT -5
Nah I get what you are saying. It wasn't a One to One comparison More so comparison based upon "person who gets in trouble" to "the responsible babysitter" If we are talking humans, Jeff has Enzo beat there as far as if we assume Enzo did it However, i'm glad Jeff has gotten clean because him getting high at work and wrestling could have ended badly for one of his opponents. Quick question. As a guy whos Straight Edge, when you get high, and get hooked on it, is it like being hooked on cigarettes? Like its very very hard to kick the habit type deal? depends on the drug. Pot, for instance isn't physically addictive but it is hella psychologically addictive. as for the harder stuff, it mostly is physically addictive but the person doing it factors in as well. |
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Post by PTBartman on Jan 24, 2018 6:54:26 GMT -5
What's eN$0 A-Moron doing in the Impact Zone building mom's backyard!?!? I just want to meet "The Impact Mom" |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 7:11:37 GMT -5
Personal opinion aside, upon watching the video and reading more about the background of the accuser, her chances of winning this case are damn near impossible. The video alone doesn't seem genuine at all. Unless there is more solid evidence such as texts between her and Enzo about the situation, she won't have much of a case. Perhaps there will be more revelations as time goes on, but what we have so far is in favor of Enzo. If these accusations are false then Enzo has every right to sue the socks out of a leech. However, if true, a victim will not receive justice, but instead be wrongfully persecuted by the public and judicial system. It is a crappy situation all around. All I can do is hope the correct verdict is given! Agreed. In the absence of physical evidence, witnesses, or any type of smoking gun, a decent lawyer will destroy this girl in court if it ever gets there. So if it actually did happen, then that's a pretty shitty spot to be in. |
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 24, 2018 7:39:20 GMT -5
I'm not one to try to find what's wrong with a victim's story, but literally the one thing I found super odd was Enzo announcing to the room full of witnesses he was going to rape her.
It's hard for me to believe a rapist thinks what they are doing is rape.
In this day of the me too movement and people losing their careers it's hard for me to believe a "star" would telegraph their sexual assault like that.
Idk I don't know enzo so maybe he's that dumb, but I just feel like there's no one that dumb
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 24, 2018 7:48:06 GMT -5
I'm not one to try to find what's wrong with a victim's story, but literally the one thing I found super odd was Enzo announcing to the room full of witnesses he was going to rape her. It's hard for me to believe a rapist thinks what they are doing is rape. In this day of the me too movement and people losing their careers it's hard for me to believe a "star" would telegraph their sexual assault like that. Idk I don't know enzo so maybe he's that dumb, but I just feel like there's no one that dumb Drugs can be a hell of a drug. |
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Post by fw91 on Jan 24, 2018 7:52:38 GMT -5
Personal opinion aside, upon watching the video and reading more about the background of the accuser, her chances of winning this case are damn near impossible. The video alone doesn't seem genuine at all. Unless there is more solid evidence such as texts between her and Enzo about the situation, she won't have much of a case. Perhaps there will be more revelations as time goes on, but what we have so far is in favor of Enzo. If these accusations are false then Enzo has every right to sue the socks out of a leech. However, if true, a victim will not receive justice, but instead be wrongfully persecuted by the public and judicial system. It is a crappy situation all around. All I can do is hope the correct verdict is given! Agreed. In the absence of physical evidence, witnesses, or any type of smoking gun, a decent lawyer will destroy this girl in court if it ever gets there. So if it actually did happen, then that's a pretty shitty spot to be in. Yeah. As of this moment I don’t see how Enzo loses. However if he really did do it, at the very least the stench of this will not wear off until he becomes irrelevant and a footnote of the past |
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 24, 2018 7:54:01 GMT -5
I'm not one to try to find what's wrong with a victim's story, but literally the one thing I found super odd was Enzo announcing to the room full of witnesses he was going to rape her. It's hard for me to believe a rapist thinks what they are doing is rape. In this day of the me too movement and people losing their careers it's hard for me to believe a "star" would telegraph their sexual assault like that. Idk I don't know enzo so maybe he's that dumb, but I just feel like there's no one that dumb Drugs can be a hell of a drug. It would have to be more than drugs. I've known/been around enough drug users to know announcing rape is not a common side effect. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 24, 2018 8:20:11 GMT -5
Drugs can be a hell of a drug. It would have to be more than drugs. I've known/been around enough drug users to know announcing rape is not a common side effect. Or it could be a "Yeah, I'm totally joking about raping this chick (oops not really)" kinda thing. |
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Post by honsou on Jan 24, 2018 8:22:25 GMT -5
Agreed. In the absence of physical evidence, witnesses, or any type of smoking gun, a decent lawyer will destroy this girl in court if it ever gets there. So if it actually did happen, then that's a pretty shitty spot to be in. Yeah. As of this moment I don’t see how Enzo loses. However if he really did do it, at the very least the stench of this will not wear off until he becomes irrelevant and a footnote of the past I'm kinda surprised the investigation is still open, I know its a bit iffy to bring this up but I have a friend who is a prosecutor who talks to me all the time about domestic violence and sexual assault charges and for the most part its about how difficult it is to even get the course. It takes the victim being willing to go to trial and some form of evidence. "He said, she said" cases usually get tossed out right away unless the victim is cooperative and provides some form of evidence. I'd say its likely there is a lot we just don't know given that the investigation is still open. |
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Post by fw91 on Jan 24, 2018 8:24:41 GMT -5
Yeah. As of this moment I don’t see how Enzo loses. However if he really did do it, at the very least the stench of this will not wear off until he becomes irrelevant and a footnote of the past I'm kinda surprised the investigation is still open, I know its a bit iffy to bring this up but I have a friend who is a prosecutor who talks to me all the time about domestic violence and sexual assault charges and for the most part its about how difficult it is to even get the course. It takes the victim being willing to go to trial and some form of evidence. "He said, she said" cases usually get tossed out right away unless the victim is cooperative and provides some form of evidence. I'd say its likely there is a lot we just don't know given that the investigation is still open. It’s also probably bad for PR to immediately dismiss a sexual assault case involving someone with some celebrity status in the midst of the “me too” movement and everything in Hollywood |
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Jan 24, 2018 8:29:35 GMT -5
It would have to be more than drugs. I've known/been around enough drug users to know announcing rape is not a common side effect. Or it could be a "Yeah, I'm totally joking about raping this chick (oops not really)" kinda thing. Or "rape" may have been used as a descriptor for rough sex - tough to say. |
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Post by Jokaine on Jan 24, 2018 8:31:06 GMT -5
It would have to be more than drugs. I've known/been around enough drug users to know announcing rape is not a common side effect. Or it could be a "Yeah, I'm totally joking about raping this chick (oops not really)" kinda thing. Do you think that is a more likely scenario (factor in the person retelling the story claimed to be incoherent) than it simply being made up because in the mind of a 19 year-old it made the story sound more trendworthy and believable? |
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Jan 24, 2018 8:34:33 GMT -5
From an HR perspective, WWE did the right thing. Reading the snipped of the contract above, it's not hard to find that he was in absolute violation.
If he EVER wants a WWE return, he'll need a full exoneration (declaration of INNOCENCE, not just saying he's not guilty), and he'll have to show WWE that he can be trusted in the future. He'll have to do a lot of growing up. If he does want to return, hopefully this situation acts as his "Come to Jesus" moment.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 24, 2018 8:37:58 GMT -5
Or it could be a "Yeah, I'm totally joking about raping this chick (oops not really)" kinda thing. Do you think that is a more likely scenario (factor in the person retelling the story claimed to be incoherent) than it simply being made up because in the mind of a 19 year-old it made the story sound more trendworthy and believable? Probably the latter, but history tells us that some people are pretty brazen about awful things they do when they think they're untouchable. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 24, 2018 8:52:08 GMT -5
If he EVER wants a WWE return, he'll need a full exoneration (declaration of INNOCENCE, not just saying he's not guilty[.] The law doesn't work that way. There's no verdict of "Innocent" that he can get from any court. |
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Jan 24, 2018 8:54:50 GMT -5
If he EVER wants a WWE return, he'll need a full exoneration (declaration of INNOCENCE, not just saying he's not guilty[.] The law doesn't work that way. There's no verdict of "Innocent" that he can get from any court. If it gets to court at all. Given the staggering statistics out there of rape accusations leading to days in court and, ultimately, convictions, it's not certain whether a judge even sees this case. |
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