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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2018 0:52:56 GMT -5
I love Kevin, but yeah, both of them have looked like they want to go home for pretty much their entire Smackdown run. The move just ended up doing neither of them longterm good. I think for Sami it's win because he gets to do more and show more but both are looking like they could care less at this point Assuming they get a match with the Usos hopefully that will wake them up
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Jan 29, 2018 0:53:18 GMT -5
Fixed. And to Kevin's defense, it can be a little tricky to get motivated when your opponent is spouting an insult as corny as Kami/Cami at you and your tag partner. Idiot soap opera writers. But the Kami stuff wasn't happening last summer Their U.S title feud was bad because non of the matches clicked and they didn't really have a good match until Summerslam and that was still way down on AJ Styles list of matches Maybe Kev just needs a break from Styles. Sometimes a program that failed once works better later I've noticed in the past.
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Post by Stu on Jan 29, 2018 0:56:11 GMT -5
I got a laugh when Sami jogged (almost happily) to the ring for the Rumble and took a moment to whack Slater.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 29, 2018 1:00:45 GMT -5
I think this has suffered from WWE trying to plant seeds for potential angles and then pulling the plug due to whatever reason. I actually thought things were going very well after Survivor Series, but they seemed to cool on the Bryan v Shane stuff (maybe cause Shane was getting heel reactions? Who knows) then it kind of became about ending the feud quicker.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2018 1:02:25 GMT -5
But the Kami stuff wasn't happening last summer Their U.S title feud was bad because non of the matches clicked and they didn't really have a good match until Summerslam and that was still way down on AJ Styles list of matches Maybe Kev just needs a break from Styles. Sometimes a program that failed once works better later I've noticed in the past. Oh there's no doubt in that I think it's really lazy to have them essentially feud 6 months apart which shows how slim pickings the SD roster is Hell, you could have done Rusev Day vs AJ and got the same result
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 29, 2018 1:02:33 GMT -5
Fixed. And to Kevin's defense, it can be a little tricky to get motivated when your opponent is spouting an insult as corny as Kami/Cami at you and your tag partner. Idiot soap opera writers. But the Kami stuff wasn't happening last summer Their U.S title feud was bad because non of the matches clicked and they didn't really have a good match until Summerslam and that was still way down on AJ Styles list of matches Sometimes, even good wrestlers don't click. Booker T and Batista would repeatedly have shitty matches together despite showing they could do better with other opponents. Chemistry's a factor and all that. Still, despite conventional wisdom implying otherwise, Miz and AJ had WAY better matches together than Styles and Owens after repeated attempts to make it work. I'm sure some of it is, well, styles clash, but Owens needs time off. He's hurt, and he just doesn't really seem to be in the right headspace, either out of not being happy or just not clicking in terms of booking. It's like watching a film by a director that you know has talent, but it's like the third dud in a row.
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Jan 29, 2018 1:04:14 GMT -5
But the Kami stuff wasn't happening last summer Their U.S title feud was bad because non of the matches clicked and they didn't really have a good match until Summerslam and that was still way down on AJ Styles list of matches Sometimes, even good wrestlers don't click. Booker T and Batista would repeatedly have shitty matches together despite showing they could do better with other opponents. Chemistry's a factor and all that. Still, despite conventional wisdom implying otherwise, Miz and AJ had WAY better matches together than Styles and Owens after repeated attempts to make it work. I'm sure some of it is, well, styles clash, but Owens needs time off. He's hurt, and he just doesn't really seem to be in the right headspace, either out of not being happy or just not clicking in terms of booking. It's like watching a film by a director that you know has talent, but it's like the third dud in a row. He does seem to be addled by that back issue. Take some time off, come back fresh and energized after a few weeks. Sami can carry their mantle on his own.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2018 1:06:07 GMT -5
But the Kami stuff wasn't happening last summer Their U.S title feud was bad because non of the matches clicked and they didn't really have a good match until Summerslam and that was still way down on AJ Styles list of matches Sometimes, even good wrestlers don't click. Booker T and Batista would repeatedly have shitty matches together despite showing they could do better with other opponents. Chemistry's a factor and all that. Still, despite conventional wisdom implying otherwise, Miz and AJ had WAY better matches together than Styles and Owens after repeated attempts to make it work. I'm sure some of it is, well, styles clash, but Owens needs time off. He's hurt, and he just doesn't really seem to be in the right headspace, either out of not being happy or just not clicking in terms of booking. It's like watching a film by a director that you know has talent, but it's like the third dud in a row. Right i'm not saying all great wrestlers click but there's something between those two where I don't really want to see them wrestle again for a while I do think KO would do well with some time off. As I said in the main thread everything about him just seems more of the same shit right now which isn't bad per se but not for a guy who's been champion as much as KO. He's the tag titles away from being a grand champion and has a lot of accolades on his record but he needs a step back
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jan 29, 2018 1:07:10 GMT -5
Kevin and Sami as a unit is not a main event gimmick. They could both be good foils for AJ, on their own.
They should be having a war with the Usos if they're going to stick together.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 29, 2018 1:09:26 GMT -5
Owens takes a lot of pride in his work and holds himself to some pretty high standards, and I think the fact he's stuck in this shitty story and in an eternal feud with AJ who he knows he just doesn't mesh with is taking a lot from him. He's been on cruise control since Mania.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2018 1:11:56 GMT -5
Owens takes a lot of pride in his work and holds himself to some pretty high standards, and I think the fact he's stuck in this shitty story and in an eternal feud with AJ who he knows he just doesn't mesh with is taking a lot from him. He's been on cruise control since Mania. It's a stark contrast from when it looked like he was having the time of his life with Jericho as compared to now He should have been more singles oriented when he won the Universal title instead of keeping him and Jericho together but you can see he at least had more joy as compared to now where it seems he's going through the motions
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 29, 2018 1:20:36 GMT -5
Owens takes a lot of pride in his work and holds himself to some pretty high standards, and I think the fact he's stuck in this shitty story and in an eternal feud with AJ who he knows he just doesn't mesh with is taking a lot from him. He's been on cruise control since Mania. It's a stark contrast from when it looked like he was having the time of his life with Jericho as compared to now He should have been more singles oriented when he won the Universal title instead of keeping him and Jericho together but you can see he at least had more joy as compared to now where it seems he's going through the motions He's able to work with his best friend and they're having a better time, but now he's given a matchup he knows isn't working, material I don't see anyone being happy having to say, and an overlong story going in circles. He didn't get any fair shakes at being a world champion because he got a "We need a backup" panic book run that had him fight the same two guys for four months and then get squashed. It's a situation where you can almost tell right in his expression that he's not enjoying this shit at all.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 29, 2018 1:22:47 GMT -5
It's a stark contrast from when it looked like he was having the time of his life with Jericho as compared to now He should have been more singles oriented when he won the Universal title instead of keeping him and Jericho together but you can see he at least had more joy as compared to now where it seems he's going through the motions He's able to work with his best friend and they're having a better time, but now he's given a matchup he knows isn't working, material I don't see anyone being happy having to say, and an overlong story going in circles. He didn't get any fair shakes at being a world champion because he got a "We need a backup" panic book run that had him fight the same two guys for four months and then get squashed. It's a situation where you can almost tell right in his expression that he's not enjoying this shit at all. And I don't blame him really I still think the sooner they just focus on him and Sami in the tag division the better they will be KO might not like it personally but I feel for him and Sami getting matches against probably the best tag team in the world the Usos, they know they can't slack and should bring some needed motivation
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Post by spagett on Jan 29, 2018 5:41:18 GMT -5
It's always interesting when you get two good wrestlers who just have no chemistry together and Owens and Styles are an example of that. It just never ever clicks with them.
The Rock and The Undertaker used to be the same, they always seemed to be on a different wavelength.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 5:54:00 GMT -5
It's always interesting when you get two good wrestlers who just have no chemistry together and Owens and Styles are an example of that. It just never ever clicks with them. The Rock and The Undertaker used to be the same, they always seemed to be on a different wavelength. To be fair a decent chunk of that is Rock was always pretty limited in general with who he could work well with and Undertaker was abysmal in the ring in 1999.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 6:00:08 GMT -5
Best way to end this is for Zayn to get way too into the success he gains as a heel to the extent he starts acting like 99' Bossman and Owens gets uncomfortable and tries to get him to back off and we wind up with face KO vs heel Sami for a change.
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Post by schma on Jan 29, 2018 6:10:17 GMT -5
It may be tough on the motivation when Kevin is constantly booked to look like a goober. Shane McMahon took him to the limit. When he and Sami came together people were pretty much salivating at the awesomeness that seemed imminent. Then at Survivor Series Shane made them look like chumps. Since then they've been loopholing like crazy but nothing comes of it because they're chumps. It's a damn shame that one of the hottest acts has become a bit of a joke, even if they are still main eventing Smackdown.
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Post by Bungle on Jan 29, 2018 6:16:52 GMT -5
They need to really separate both for 2 years minimum.
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Post by spagett on Jan 29, 2018 7:25:16 GMT -5
It's always interesting when you get two good wrestlers who just have no chemistry together and Owens and Styles are an example of that. It just never ever clicks with them. The Rock and The Undertaker used to be the same, they always seemed to be on a different wavelength. To be fair a decent chunk of that is Rock was always pretty limited in general with who he could work well with and Undertaker was abysmal in the ring in 1999. I think The Rock is very underrated as an in ring worker but you're right about Undertaker.
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Post by vinnysimmo on Jan 30, 2018 13:36:13 GMT -5
I think a major part of it is that for me is that Owens doesn't look like a wrestler. Orton slappin on a chinlock looks like pro-wrestling to me Owens slappin a chinlock on someone looks like cosplay
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