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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 30, 2018 9:20:55 GMT -5
Yes. Barring some sort of awful scandal, there's no reason a lot of his detractors shouldn't appreciate his talent and charisma. I don't think not missing him and appreciating what he's done have to be mutually exclusive. I have great appreciation for what he's done, but I've also seen him do a ridiculous amount of stuff. I said this a little more harshly in another thread for effect, but I feel the same about Tom Brady. I appreciate that he might be the greatest football player I'll ever see while also wanting to see him retire so I can watch other people get a chance on the big stage. Brady and Cena each have done nearly everything they can in their professions from a story perspective. The only story left to tell is "Wow - they're even more the greatest than I thought!!", which is dull and boring. At this point, I just want them to move on. No, there's plenty more he can do if he's healthy. Whatever he has left to contribute depends on how his body and how committed he is to keeping his in-ring career going. His current run where he's still a main event threat but no longer the unbeatable top guy isn't too far removed from what Hiroshi Tanahashi is doing right now while Okada is the New Japan ace.
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Post by Soultastic on Jan 30, 2018 9:26:13 GMT -5
I respect everything he's done and he's certainly one of the greats, but I never miss him when he's gone and I doubt that will change when it's permanent.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jan 30, 2018 9:29:31 GMT -5
Yeah, why not. His matches always seem like big deals
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Post by mo on Jan 30, 2018 9:34:04 GMT -5
I can definitely appreciate what he’s done over the years but that decade plus of him being the only thing that matters made me pretty much done with him. I only started watching again consistently once he started slowing down and I think that’s a big part of it.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Jan 30, 2018 9:42:27 GMT -5
I respect everything he's done and he's certainly one of the greats, but I never miss him when he's gone and I doubt that will change when it's permanent. The use of 'permanent' here makes this statement seem more sinister than it was probably intended. Deadpan, late-game Cena is a straight-up jewel. He's in the perfect spot right now, he's gone long enough each time that there's a new head on the horizon for him to interact with each time, for better or worse (Hi Corbin). He's out long enough to be missed but never long enough that he falls outta relevance into generic 'LEGEND' status.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 30, 2018 10:21:42 GMT -5
He's one of the reasons why I stopped watching.
While he's probably the best talent that WWE had had in the last 15 years, I've always felt his push to be 'the guy' was unjustified. Yeah, he moved merch but wasn't the guy a lot of the fans wanted him to be. He didn't really move the needle in terms of gaining and retaining a new audience, things instead just sputtered along. The entire company was built around him, other people's careers were sacrificed to his and the product became boring and predictable under his leadership.
I know he doesn't write the shows or is responsible for the direction they take, but he is the guy that was front and center for it. In my eyes, he took the role and never challenged management to put on a more ideal product.
Cena, Orton, Triple H, Undertaker, Big Show, Kane.. they're all played out. I've seen everything they can do, a lot of the time at the expense of other more interesting talent. I'm more than okay without ever seeing them again, outside of the HOF.
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Post by Instant Classic on Jan 30, 2018 11:57:07 GMT -5
He’s my favorite of all time, but he is for the first time in his career to me stale as hell.
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Post by Juice on Jan 30, 2018 12:01:53 GMT -5
I like big match john. If he lost to Finn no one would be complaining. Everyones has been so caught up in the omg the club is reunited. They didn't realize they were still looking like vague shells of Japan and were never getting Finn a giant push out of the gate.
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Post by Stone Cold Eleanor Shellstrop on Jan 30, 2018 17:06:36 GMT -5
My answer? No. Nope. Nein. Non. Never. Nada. *thumbs down*
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 30, 2018 17:58:55 GMT -5
Not really. I acknowledge he's deserved the spot, haven't cared about his character in a long time.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jan 30, 2018 18:24:53 GMT -5
Nope been sick of him for years. Unless he changes his character into something fresh (like Batista did just before he left) then I won't miss him at all.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 30, 2018 18:34:01 GMT -5
I'll miss his hard work, his performance in ring, and some of his stuff on the mic.
I will not miss his booking, his bad comedy, or overuse of "fine speech" promo habits.
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Post by Malibu Stacy on Jan 30, 2018 19:02:26 GMT -5
I love John Cena as a comedic actor, dislike John Cena the wrestling character. Him making a permanent jump to Hollywood is win-win in my eyes. Sure, I'll still appreciate his high moments, like the matches he had with Punk, or seeing him against A.J. live at last years Rumble, but I won't have any desire to see him back.
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Post by Cela on Jan 30, 2018 19:16:34 GMT -5
I doubt it. He's had some good matches, but the general aura of Cena has been a driving force in making the product unappealing since his first march towards the title.
Also not sure why people like him as an actor. He comes across as a jock doing a high school play. Like Chris Hemsworth in Ghostbusters. It's cute, and amusingly against type, but something about the delivery is just off.
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Post by angryfan on Jan 30, 2018 22:35:40 GMT -5
He's a great dude, done a ton for charity and sick kids, and as a man who spent my early life in those same kinds of hospitals, I'll always think highly of the man. However, miss him? Not a chance. The "sacrifice everyone to Cena" mantra we saw for a decade is what made me stop giving them money. It's the same mantra they use now with Reigns, so the behavior is what made me wave teh white flag. I may admire the man, but I don't and won't miss him being on screen.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 30, 2018 22:36:35 GMT -5
I'm not a Cena hater, but I'm OK with never seeing him again.
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Post by corndog on Jan 30, 2018 22:45:36 GMT -5
I don't think not missing him and appreciating what he's done have to be mutually exclusive. I have great appreciation for what he's done, but I've also seen him do a ridiculous amount of stuff. I said this a little more harshly in another thread for effect, but I feel the same about Tom Brady. I appreciate that he might be the greatest football player I'll ever see while also wanting to see him retire so I can watch other people get a chance on the big stage. Brady and Cena each have done nearly everything they can in their professions from a story perspective. The only story left to tell is "Wow - they're even more the greatest than I thought!!", which is dull and boring. At this point, I just want them to move on. No, there's plenty more he can do if he's healthy. Whatever he has left to contribute depends on how his body and how committed he is to keeping his in-ring career going. His current run where he's still a main event threat but no longer the unbeatable top guy isn't too far removed from what Hiroshi Tanahashi is doing right now while Okada is the New Japan ace. It is crazy how their careers correlate with each other. Granted, Tanahashi is still seen as more of a hero, despite having mixed reactions for a good portion of his career at top. Considering Tanahashi not only kept New Japan alive, but led them into a position where their current popularity was even a possibility. Whereas business slowly declined under Cena. But I would still love to see those lock up somewhere, hopefully Japan somehow.
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 30, 2018 22:51:32 GMT -5
I used to "hate" him in my smarky push Beniot and TNA rulez phase. Beniot wasn't a great person, and tna sucked, eventually I just started appreciating what the WWE was and Cena got way better in the ring. I started looking back on Cena's work and it's actually really good.
I'll probably be sad when he leaves.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 30, 2018 22:54:22 GMT -5
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Jan 30, 2018 22:55:40 GMT -5
Yeah I'll miss him. I think it will leave people with a "you don't know what you have until it's gone" feeling.
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