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Post by Fauxnaki on Mar 20, 2018 10:26:03 GMT -5
You mean the one she made 9 years ago and deleted after a few hours when she read the feedback on it? Noone would even remember that video existed if it wasn't for edgelord jackasses like Metokur still bringing it up "Edgelord jackass" is a too kind thing to call Metokur. Loved metokurs tgwtg episodes also a big fan of his Internet insanity series. He does make fun of people who for things that I wouldn't care or really make fun of. for example his deviant art series I don't know care for really because I don't give a shit about the what people get off to within reason. |
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Mar 20, 2018 12:32:28 GMT -5
I'm going to say this, I think Doug is a fantastic analyst of film that is well-versed in its nuances and history...
As a businessman, he's awful. He's an entrepreneur that doesn't really understand what to do on terms of running his own company.
As a filmmaker, he's lousy and clearly knows nothing about the technical aspects of how film works, a rank amateur.
As a writer, he's an unfunny hack who likely laughs at his own jokes after he makes them.
Demo Reel was an abomination, as is his clipless reviews and sketches. He has talent there, clearly (Malcolm is fantastic), but he's the Vince McMahon of online reviewers from a creative standpoint and this is WWF 1995 era of Channel Awesome.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Mar 20, 2018 12:43:17 GMT -5
I'm going to say this, I think Doug is a fantastic analyst of film that is well-versed in its nuances and history... As a businessman, he's awful. He's an entrepreneur that doesn't really understand what to do on terms of running his own company. As a filmmaker, he's lousy and clearly knows nothing about the technical aspects of how film works, a rank amateur. As a writer, he's an unfunny hack who likely laughs at his own jokes after he makes them. Demo Reel was an abomination, as is his clipless reviews and sketches. He has talent there, clearly (Malcolm is fantastic), but he's the Vince McMahon of online reviewers from a creative standpoint and this is WWF 1995 era of Channel Awesome. Sounds a little more like Paul Heyman tbh. |
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Post by Powerline on Mar 20, 2018 12:56:56 GMT -5
And here I was thinking this was gonna be another "The Walkers shorthanded me on revenue" complaint. They actually ran things that way on-set? I mean, how hard is it to just go "somebody bring water, ice and a cooler and I'll comp ya" or just provide it yourself?
I'd have put up more of a fight on the "not agreeing with the content" side of things, and I'm at least somewhat glad the Walkers conceded on some of those things, though certainly not to the extent they should've. I understand THEY'RE the writers/directors and on any kind of film set you can't let "the inmates run the asylum", but if you have a legit problem with part of it, call it out. If they are willing to die on that hill for a freaking comedy special, walk. And I'm glad to see that's what some of them did. It honestly doesn't surprise me the Walkers would put up such a fight about it; this mirrors their TMZ issue early on in the channel's history (well, "early on" in retrospect) where they got vids pulled for using TMZ footage and responded with a terribly long, tasteless, unfunny skit about TMZ and followed THAT up with a "f*** you" post in response to people that thought the response wasn't a good idea (both as a response and in the bubble of a comedic skit in a review).
And yeah, some of these stories might be exaggerated and might have some shreds of bullshit in them in the name of personal gain (and I'm someone who thought the Walkers were making the best stuff on the site by far and away and used to go for days on this very forum on my old account about why I couldn't suffer through a Linkara or Spoony video), but there's way too many people making way too much smoke for me not to think there's a huge fire.
It does stun me some people still submit to his platform. As stated before, you can pretty much pull it all off on YouTube now, even with all their ad revenue malfunctions. Even if someone feels they need the exposure for their channel to get to the next level, how can anyone look at the CA model, hear all these stories about the Walkers (provided, some might be exaggerated), and think "Yeah, I'll shoot them a line. They seem trustworthy. That would be an excellent move!"? If I was in that spot, I'd be figuring it out on my own.
If I'm the Walkers at this point, just shut er' down and do what everyone else on YouTube is regarding Patreon and whatnot. They still have enough of an audience, and there could certainly be enough younger people on YouTube who don't know about him to inflate that beyond what he had in his prime, to make bank on his own time/name without needing to make his own network of content creators.
I believe the "angry reviewer" trope can still work if you bring enough of a twist on it; agree/disagree with JonTron's political lean, but I wouldn't say he's desperate for subs, Brian Zane's Wrestling With Wregret is enough of a twist (using the style with pro wrestling content) to be successful, that's just a few examples. You can still pull it off, but you have to bring something unique. People look past the "grrrr I'm overly angry" delivery nowadays (unless it's Angry Joe considering that's about his only shtick, but I digress).
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Post by metylerca on Mar 20, 2018 13:02:20 GMT -5
Will there be a clipless review of this scandal?
Probably.
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Post by Paul on Mar 20, 2018 13:05:05 GMT -5
The LordKat Live CA Supercut clips on YouTube (both of them) are very interesting- particularly the segments about that terrible "Pop Quiz Hotshot" game show pilot they did. Brad looked embarrassed to have to be a part of that- to the point where I started to feel really bad for him. It got a little better with subsequent episodes, but not by much.
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Post by Chris on Mar 20, 2018 13:13:02 GMT -5
This thread is literally the first I have ever heard of drama from their site (besides some Spoon fellow).
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 20, 2018 13:25:31 GMT -5
The LordKat Live CA Supercut clips on YouTube (both of them) are very interesting- particularly the segments about that terrible "Pop Quiz Hotshot" game show pilot they did. Brad looked embarrassed to have to be a part of that- to the point where I started to feel really bad for him. It got a little better with subsequent episodes, but not by much. To his credit, Brad handled the fallout well: (at 30:30) |
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Mar 20, 2018 13:38:27 GMT -5
I'm going to say this, I think Doug is a fantastic analyst of film that is well-versed in its nuances and history... As a businessman, he's awful. He's an entrepreneur that doesn't really understand what to do on terms of running his own company. As a filmmaker, he's lousy and clearly knows nothing about the technical aspects of how film works, a rank amateur. As a writer, he's an unfunny hack who likely laughs at his own jokes after he makes them. Demo Reel was an abomination, as is his clipless reviews and sketches. He has talent there, clearly (Malcolm is fantastic), but he's the Vince McMahon of online reviewers from a creative standpoint and this is WWF 1995 era of Channel Awesome. Sounds a little more like Paul Heyman tbh. I can see it. Doug is better off with his specialty and thats film analysis. He'd be a great host on Turner Classic Movies one day, but thats the only thing non-reviews he should do. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 20, 2018 14:06:13 GMT -5
"Edgelord jackass" is a too kind thing to call Metokur. Loved metokurs tgwtg episodes also a big fan of his Internet insanity series. He does make fun of people who for things that I wouldn't care or really make fun of. for example his deviant art series I don't know care for really because I don't give a shit about the what people get off to within reason. Metokur is just Leafyishere if he knew how snark worked. He just does unnecessary bullying shit like encouraging people to spam Spoony's streams with "Juan but not forgotten" while putting off a fake sense of superiority. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 20, 2018 14:12:39 GMT -5
I post on another board that has people like Kim Justice, Lupa, Phelous, Lindsey (ocassionally), LorneKates and Dan Olson. Lupa has been very open about the fact that Rob Walker is just as bad behind the scenes as Michaud and Doug is an idiot that doesn't see the fact that Channel Awesome is rotten from the head. I would suggest looking into Holly Christine Brown. This is coming from Kim Justice & a Lorne Kates post Kim forgot to mention that Holly had to come in to work while recovering from surgery to be told that she was fired. Lorne Kates is the web developer for phelous.com so he has two major sources for this in Allison & Phelous. It wasn't just while she was recovering, it was the next day, for "slacking off at work". I know a few people who've had surgery that wasn't on a vital organ that took a few weeks to recover properly. What the shit, Mike? |
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Post by Fauxnaki on Mar 20, 2018 14:40:48 GMT -5
Loved metokurs tgwtg episodes also a big fan of his Internet insanity series. He does make fun of people who for things that I wouldn't care or really make fun of. for example his deviant art series I don't know care for really because I don't give a shit about the what people get off to within reason. Metokur is just Leafyishere if he knew how snark worked. He just does unnecessary bullying shit like encouraging people to spam Spoony's streams with "Juan but not forgotten" while putting off a fake sense of superiority. I don't like how superior he acts sometime his old Internet aristocrat personality made me cringe just how self richous it came off. But sorry I do find edgy tasteless stuff funny every now and again and I don't see that changing for me anytime soon. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 20, 2018 23:28:57 GMT -5
Dr. Gonzo, who ran the Nerd to the Third Power podcast and was part of CA website, had this to share, among other grievances, most of which involved Mike burying him and pushing him around. Language warning. pbs.twimg.com/media/DYokg_lW0AA0av2.jpgThis is astonishing scumbaggery that is up there with pretty much any of the accusations towards him. |
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Post by Dukect on Mar 20, 2018 23:42:46 GMT -5
Well as someone who is a video reviewer/podcaster and been one for a quite a while. I've seen Channel Awesome when it 1st started it was a very good website that had a lot of interesting reviews and personalities that connected with me. But to me, the best part of the website was the forums where I could connect and talk with fans from the NC to Linkara and etc.
Heck one of my big breaks was being part of a collab review about the Land before Time series that had so many great people in that collab including Diamanda Hagan. That website helped me meet with some fun people and I still have connections to some of those guys and gals to this very day.
Now I knew some of these revelations via Lupa Skype logs and the stories that Lordkat talked about on his podcast. But this stuff with Holly is new and makes me wonder WTH is Doug and Rob doing with Mike Michaud as the top guy. I mean why the dude is more of a drain on the site, a horrible creep, does not seem to care about anything else but himself, and a bad businessman.
(sigh) Its times like these I'm glad I'm on the FAN (cheap pop) because at least the people here running it are not as toxic as Michaud or as tone deaf like Doug and Rob.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 22, 2018 22:02:40 GMT -5
I was kind of hesitant to put my two cents in since on behalf of FAN I interviewed Doug. And I like to remain professional. But what the hell.
From my own experience and the experiences of others, Doug is a really nice guy and goes out of his way for people. Unfortunately that generosity sometimes hits the brickwall of Mike and Rob. And what I suspect is that Doug doesnt have the guts to stand up to his brother or his upper management. I think part of that is that he doesnt want to go against family, and since he isnt a really businessman, he isnt going against the guys who do the paper work.
Thats what I percieve to be the case based on how everything falls into place.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 22:27:11 GMT -5
Like, aside from Todd, Snob, & Angry Joe, I never cared for any personality on this menagerie.
But not surprised about the news.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 22, 2018 23:27:26 GMT -5
@shadowtodd: So, today, I parted ways with Channel Awesome. I’ve been with them for a very long time and I think it’s time to start a new phase in my career.
Looks like Todd has decided to jump ship. Curious if Lewis or Brad decides to go as well. Probably not Brad though, he seems pretty tight with Doug (and Allison) and probably doesn't want to rock the boat/get caught up in drama. Probably why he hasn't spoken up or contributed to the on going thread.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 22, 2018 23:40:44 GMT -5
@shadowtodd: So, today, I parted ways with Channel Awesome. I’ve been with them for a very long time and I think it’s time to start a new phase in my career. Looks like Todd has decided to jump ship. Curious if Lewis or Brad decides to go as well. Probably not Brad though, he seems pretty tight with Doug (and Allison) and probably doesn't want to rock the boat/get caught up in drama. Probably why he hasn't spoken up or contributed to the on going thread. Brad is friends with both Doug and Allison, and the castoffs are hesitant to involve Brad for that reason. As for Lewis, he's been pretty clear that being on the site has been strictly business for him for years now, but I think he's probably wavering on that, going by the twitter stuff, where Marzgurl point-blank asked him to consider that staying with NC comes across as a tacit approval of the Walkers' methods. He didn't reply, that I am aware of, and Marz didn't press him on it further, with them streaming together later, so I don't think there are hard feelings. Still, I wonder if he'll be paying attention to how Todd's numbers go, post-leaving. If Todd's perfectly fine, maybe he'll finally make the leap. |
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 22, 2018 23:45:50 GMT -5
@shadowtodd: So, today, I parted ways with Channel Awesome. I’ve been with them for a very long time and I think it’s time to start a new phase in my career. Looks like Todd has decided to jump ship. Curious if Lewis or Brad decides to go as well. Probably not Brad though, he seems pretty tight with Doug (and Allison) and probably doesn't want to rock the boat/get caught up in drama. Probably why he hasn't spoken up or contributed to the on going thread. Brad is friends with both Doug and Allison, and the castoffs are hesitant to involve Brad for that reason. As for Lewis, he's been pretty clear that being on the site has been strictly business for him for years now, but I think he's probably wavering on that, going by the twitter stuff, where Marzgurl point-blank asked him to consider that staying with NC comes across as a tacit approval of the Walkers' methods. He didn't reply, that I am aware of, and Marz didn't press him on it further, with them streaming together later, so I don't think there are hard feelings. Still, I wonder if he'll be paying attention to how Todd's numbers go, post-leaving. If Todd's perfectly fine, maybe he'll finally make the leap. Channel Awesome Civil War, who side is Brad on? Lol I figured as much on that end. And yeah I saw Marzgrl's messages to Lewis and the fact his numbers have actual been on the rise of late. I can see him doing either though I doubt it'd effect him enough if he left tbh. Is Joe still with Channel Awesome? If so why? Dude gets millions of views on his stuff and is a game designer himself now. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 22, 2018 23:48:11 GMT -5
Brad is friends with both Doug and Allison, and the castoffs are hesitant to involve Brad for that reason. As for Lewis, he's been pretty clear that being on the site has been strictly business for him for years now, but I think he's probably wavering on that, going by the twitter stuff, where Marzgurl point-blank asked him to consider that staying with NC comes across as a tacit approval of the Walkers' methods. He didn't reply, that I am aware of, and Marz didn't press him on it further, with them streaming together later, so I don't think there are hard feelings. Still, I wonder if he'll be paying attention to how Todd's numbers go, post-leaving. If Todd's perfectly fine, maybe he'll finally make the leap. Channel Awesome Civil War, who side is Brad on? Lol I figured as much on that end. And yeah I saw Marzgrl's messages to Lewis and the fact his numbers have actual been on the rise of late. I can see him doing either though I doubt it'd effect him enough if he left tbh. Is Joe still with Channel Awesome? If so why? Dude gets millions of views on his stuff and is a game designer himself now. I think Joe left, but I am not sure. And maybe so. I know Lewis has been supportive of the people who have left, and pretty open about the fact that he has major issues with the Walkers, and no respect for Michaud, on a personal or business level, like how he tried to tell them for years to look at conventions seriously, and would get blown off, while Michaud would want to do local advertisement in Chicago. You know, for his website with an international audience. |
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