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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 19, 2018 20:24:19 GMT -5
Agreed.
Though hell, I like a lot of Liefeld stuff to be honest; and again, very much in the context of the time. Part of that is dude has been such an easy target for so long and is usually pretty good-natured about it, so I'm like: 'Rob's a pretty cool dude.'
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Post by The Captain on Mar 19, 2018 20:48:47 GMT -5
 Lindsay is doing well for herself (dont forget about that Rape Rap video) and Linkara should be happy that the stuff between him and Iron Liz happen a couple year ago instead today. You mean the one she made 9 years ago and deleted after a few hours when she read the feedback on it? Noone would even remember that video existed if it wasn't for edgelord jackasses like Metokur still bringing it up "Edgelord jackass" is a too kind thing to call Metokur. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 19, 2018 20:49:43 GMT -5
Linkara's hardly the expert he claims to be(He's especially lacking when it comes to Indy comics). Linkara has never claimed to be an expert, ever. In fact, he usually goes out of his way to explain that he doesn't know a great amount, like when he was trying to explain Adam Warlock and the Marvel abstract entities during the Infinity Gauntlet review. |
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Post by J is Justice on Mar 19, 2018 20:55:39 GMT -5
Man, I miss Spoony's reviews. I watched him play a bit of FFIX a while ago, and that's about all I've watched of him in years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 20:57:39 GMT -5
Man, I miss Spoony's reviews. I watched him play a bit of FFIX a while ago, and that's about all I've watched of him in years. his patreon was his downfall i think. he just dropped right off when that started. and its gone from 5 grand a month to about 500 |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 19, 2018 20:59:59 GMT -5
EDIT: Whoops. Thought I was still in the Raw thread
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Mar 19, 2018 23:13:17 GMT -5
Right now!? It's been imploding since the Obscurus Lupa and Spoony debacles.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 20, 2018 1:31:37 GMT -5
Man, I miss Spoony's reviews. I watched him play a bit of FFIX a while ago, and that's about all I've watched of him in years. his patreon was his downfall i think. he just dropped right off when that started. and its gone from 5 grand a month to about 500 He had like 3 serious health issues one after the other right after his Patreon launch, then I think the depression/anxiety combo launched into overdrive with the "I won't get paid if I don't do work, but I can't will myself to work" thing. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Mar 20, 2018 1:55:08 GMT -5
Linkara's hardly the expert he claims to be(He's especially lacking when it comes to Indy comics). Linkara has never claimed to be an expert, ever. In fact, he usually goes out of his way to explain that he doesn't know a great amount, like when he was trying to explain Adam Warlock and the Marvel abstract entities during the Infinity Gauntlet review. Yeah, on several occasions he's said he doesn't consider himself an expert. Toddintheshadows has as well. |
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Post by Heartbreaker on Mar 20, 2018 1:58:15 GMT -5
Man, every time I read about Channel Awesome, there's always some sort of drama happening. What a bunch of problematic people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 2:00:28 GMT -5
From what I can tell these are all stories that have been known for years now.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 20, 2018 2:08:00 GMT -5
From what I can tell these are all stories that have been known for years now. Yeah, the notable thing about it is more that they're getting it collected in one place. Spoony, Phelous, and Lupa's exits tend to be well known, but dozens of former people talking and it blowing up on Twitter since a lot of people didn't really know the scale of incompetence and douchery is the story, I guess. Mike Michaud sounds like a real prick, though if the Walkers really had an issue, they'd have done basically anything by now. Even if he owns the Nostalgia Critic, that doesn't prevent Doug or Rob from apologizing or showing decency to any of these people over the years. They're pretty content to just let Mike be badcop and be entirely indifferent to anything outside of Chicago. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 2:23:37 GMT -5
From what I can tell these are all stories that have been known for years now. Yeah, the notable thing about it is more that they're getting it collected in one place. Spoony, Phelous, and Lupa's exits tend to be well known, but dozens of former people talking and it blowing up on Twitter since a lot of people didn't really know the scale of incompetence and douchery is the story, I guess. Mike Michaud sounds like a real prick, though if the Walkers really had an issue, they'd have done basically anything by now. Even if he owns the Nostalgia Critic, that doesn't prevent Doug or Rob from apologizing or showing decency to any of these people over the years. They're pretty content to just let Mike be badcop and be entirely indifferent to anything outside of Chicago. I've always had a certain fascination with Channel Awesome and it's history/drama, so I'm probably just more well-versed in all of this stuff than people who don't go out of their way to find it I suppose. I used to really like the site. There were a lot of creators I enjoyed working all in one spot so it was convenient to follow them there instead of through other means. I thought the anniversary videos were mostly funny/stupid in a good way and were just friends getting together to do a dumb project in a short amount of time. It was really shitty when I found out later through Phelous and Lindsey that the situation was actually more of a chore and slave-drive than people trying to have a good time and make something enjoyable. These days, I just follow Phealous and The Snob. I haven't seen much from Lupa in a while as her shift from the original Obscurus Lupa model just didn't seem to be as good in my opinion. |
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Mar 20, 2018 2:32:17 GMT -5
I will say that as I get older and more versed in comics that Linkara's hardly the expert he claims to be(He's especially lacking when it comes to Indy comics). He also blankets everything dark and edgy as being bad when that's simply not true and it leaves me feeling he's intentionally ignoring a large segment of really good comics because of a somewhat childish personal bias. Dude's also way too harsh on the 90s stuff, especially for someone who wasn't reading/was a very young kid back then. So much of that stuff you have to take into the context of the time. Yep and he hates anything that came out from Extreme Studios and it shows that he hasn't read much of their stuff. Sure at least half of what Extreme Studios/Awesome Comics put out was horrible crap. But they also put out some good stuff. Once Liefeld stopped writing Youngblood the series majorly improved. And while the Alan Moore run on Supreme gets all kinds of praise,the writers before Moore took what was a one note character and turned it into a fairly entertaining title. Pretty sure I have heard Linkara call the Ultraverse a pile of crap. Which is far from the truth. Like all shared universes there is some bad comics from the Ultraverse. But there is also some really good stuff like Prime,Firearm,Hardcase and Sludge by the late great Steve Gerber. I think I have heard Linkara hate on Valiant. When again while there is some bad Valiant stuff. Most of Valiants comics were better written than most of the stuff coming out from Marvel and DC at that time. It really feels like his views on comics from the 90s boom is based more on what he has read online and not based on him actually reading the comics. |
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Mar 20, 2018 2:34:17 GMT -5
Dude's also way too harsh on the 90s stuff, especially for someone who wasn't reading/was a very young kid back then. So much of that stuff you have to take into the context of the time. I'll also be fair and cop to some personal biases because IMO Jim Lee's Wildstorm imprint was putting out the very best superhero comics from the point Warren Ellis wrote Stormwatch until the Worlds End crap. THAT STUFF is how you do dark and edgy superhero works and reconstruct the genre at the same time And I feel it gets ignored too often. I ,a few years ago,got into the later era Wildstorm stuff. And it is really really good. Just re-read the Ellis Stormwatch run and it is soo good. To me it seems like The Authority gets all the praise when Stormwatch was as good if not better. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Mar 20, 2018 4:21:26 GMT -5
Yeah, the notable thing about it is more that they're getting it collected in one place. Spoony, Phelous, and Lupa's exits tend to be well known, but dozens of former people talking and it blowing up on Twitter since a lot of people didn't really know the scale of incompetence and douchery is the story, I guess. Mike Michaud sounds like a real prick, though if the Walkers really had an issue, they'd have done basically anything by now. Even if he owns the Nostalgia Critic, that doesn't prevent Doug or Rob from apologizing or showing decency to any of these people over the years. They're pretty content to just let Mike be badcop and be entirely indifferent to anything outside of Chicago. I've always had a certain fascination with Channel Awesome and it's history/drama, so I'm probably just more well-versed in all of this stuff than people who don't go out of their way to find it I suppose. I used to really like the site. There were a lot of creators I enjoyed working all in one spot so it was convenient to follow them there instead of through other means. I thought the anniversary videos were mostly funny/stupid in a good way and were just friends getting together to do a dumb project in a short amount of time. It was really shitty when I found out later through Phelous and Lindsey that the situation was actually more of a chore and slave-drive than people trying to have a good time and make something enjoyable. These days, I just follow Phealous and The Snob. I haven't seen much from Lupa in a while as her shift from the original Obscurus Lupa model just didn't seem to be as good in my opinion. It really sucks. Naively, I thought that the creators on the site, while it's just a job, generally got on. That the anniversary specials were them all getting together and having a good time doing the kind of cheesy film they'd rip apart. Also naively, I wouldn't have imagined the shitty conditions. I mean, someone's working for you and bringing in money, sharing is surely what you'd do right? I just don't get the business logic. It's literally a situation where anyone successful will leave so you'll get less money than if you paid them a bit more, or AT ALL and they continued bringing revenue. Obviously the CA concept is a bit outdated, but if it had moved to Youtube as a collection of creators, who all do decently well through Patreon and all have ok followings it could have been built into something more. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 20, 2018 5:09:00 GMT -5
I'll also be fair and cop to some personal biases because IMO Jim Lee's Wildstorm imprint was putting out the very best superhero comics from the point Warren Ellis wrote Stormwatch until the Worlds End crap. THAT STUFF is how you do dark and edgy superhero works and reconstruct the genre at the same time And I feel it gets ignored too often. I ,a few years ago,got into the later era Wildstorm stuff. And it is really really good. Just re-read the Ellis Stormwatch run and it is soo good. To me it seems like The Authority gets all the praise when Stormwatch was as good if not better. the really sad thing about The Authority was how quickly it dove right off a cliff after Ellis was gone. it was like Mark Millar didn't get the joke at all and thought that a bunch of authoritarian despots murdering everyone he personally disagreed with was a good thing. I mean, I don't think the book ever got on track again until Ed Brubaker took over, because he was the first writer since Ellis who understood that they were NOT the good guys. |
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Mar 20, 2018 6:10:46 GMT -5
I ,a few years ago,got into the later era Wildstorm stuff. And it is really really good. Just re-read the Ellis Stormwatch run and it is soo good. To me it seems like The Authority gets all the praise when Stormwatch was as good if not better. the really sad thing about The Authority was how quickly it dove right off a cliff after Ellis was gone. it was like Mark Millar didn't get the joke at all and thought that a bunch of authoritarian despots murdering everyone he personally disagreed with was a good thing. I mean, I don't think the book ever got on track again until Ed Brubaker took over, because he was the first writer since Ellis who understood that they were NOT the good guys. For me The Authority was a good read until that aborted Morrison run. Sure Millar's version was different from Ellis' run. But I still enjoyed it. I have come to learn that I like Mark Millar much more than most online fans. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Mar 20, 2018 8:17:25 GMT -5
Yeah, the notable thing about it is more that they're getting it collected in one place. Spoony, Phelous, and Lupa's exits tend to be well known, but dozens of former people talking and it blowing up on Twitter since a lot of people didn't really know the scale of incompetence and douchery is the story, I guess. Mike Michaud sounds like a real prick, though if the Walkers really had an issue, they'd have done basically anything by now. Even if he owns the Nostalgia Critic, that doesn't prevent Doug or Rob from apologizing or showing decency to any of these people over the years. They're pretty content to just let Mike be badcop and be entirely indifferent to anything outside of Chicago. I've always had a certain fascination with Channel Awesome and it's history/drama, so I'm probably just more well-versed in all of this stuff than people who don't go out of their way to find it I suppose. I used to really like the site. There were a lot of creators I enjoyed working all in one spot so it was convenient to follow them there instead of through other means. I thought the anniversary videos were mostly funny/stupid in a good way and were just friends getting together to do a dumb project in a short amount of time. It was really shitty when I found out later through Phelous and Lindsey that the situation was actually more of a chore and slave-drive than people trying to have a good time and make something enjoyable. These days, I just follow Phealous and The Snob. I haven't seen much from Lupa in a while as her shift from the original Obscurus Lupa model just didn't seem to be as good in my opinion. Aside from Rob and Doug chatting, I've only kept up with Tamara Chambers and Linkara as of late. |
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Mar 20, 2018 8:19:35 GMT -5
I post on another board that has people like Kim Justice, Lupa, Phelous, Lindsey (ocassionally), LorneKates and Dan Olson. Lupa has been very open about the fact that Rob Walker is just as bad behind the scenes as Michaud and Doug is an idiot that doesn't see the fact that Channel Awesome is rotten from the head.
I would suggest looking into Holly Christine Brown. This is coming from Kim Justice & a Lorne Kates post
Kim forgot to mention that Holly had to come in to work while recovering from surgery to be told that she was fired.
Lorne Kates is the web developer for phelous.com so he has two major sources for this in Allison & Phelous.
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