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Post by chrom on Jul 26, 2018 18:37:19 GMT -5
Synder killed off Jimmy Olsen without a second thought to the character. Still perplexed by that and really did a disservice to the character. His entire reason and explanation for doing that was "Why Not?"
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Post by chrom on Jul 26, 2018 18:39:41 GMT -5
I think Snyder could potentially do something with Batman in a solo outing, but his take on Superman is just....wrong. Brooding, dark Superman that doesn't want to help people is a crap take on the character that no one could possibly get behind. Psychotic, on the edge Batman having a serious change in how he does business could potentially be interesting. The problem is that Snyder tossed this out there with no context. I'm assuming Bruce Wayne was angry and haunted by The Joker killing Jason Todd/Robin given that one scene of Bruce staring at Robin's defaced costume, but we have no connection to this whatsoever. No flashback, no previous movie, nothing. So the whole idea of Batman branding people, not caring if he kills bad guys anymore, generally being a burned out lunatic...none of it really makes sense. Thing is, that wasn't Jason's outfit. That was Dick Grayson; the first and most iconic Robin that it was implied that had been killed
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Post by dav on Jul 26, 2018 18:40:06 GMT -5
Synder killed off Jimmy Olsen without a second thought to the character. Still perplexed by that and really did a disservice to the character. His entire reason and explanation for doing that was "Why Not?" So he made this huge move that would change the landscape of one of DC's most iconic characters and had no thought on how to follow it through because it was a mere whim and was utterly pointless? Dear God, he really is Russo.
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Post by chrom on Jul 26, 2018 18:43:42 GMT -5
His entire reason and explanation for doing that was "Why Not?" So he made this huge move that would change the landscape of one of DC's most iconic characters and had no thought on how to follow it through because it was a mere whim and was utterly pointless? Dear God, he really is Russo. The idiot also wanted the reason for Wonder Woman's being red is that it was soaked and covered in the blood of all the people she had killed.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 26, 2018 19:26:10 GMT -5
So he made this huge move that would change the landscape of one of DC's most iconic characters and had no thought on how to follow it through because it was a mere whim and was utterly pointless? Dear God, he really is Russo. The idiot also wanted the reason for Wonder Woman's being red is that it was soaked and covered in the blood of all the people she had killed. I remember this. God, Zack Snyder sucks. There's no way around it. There's no opinion to it. The fact is that he just sucks.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 26, 2018 20:12:28 GMT -5
Zack Snyder's movies are trash undeserving of first viewings. Whoever gave him the go-ahead to make movies is just as responsible for his intentional, malicious assault on the DC Universe as he is. I just can't figure out why that after Man of Steel was criticized for being too grim and had an underwhelming run at the box office, they let him double down on the grim with BvS. And then when that did worse on both fronts than Man of Steel, they STILL kept him for Justice League. I only blame Snyder for the shortcomings of Man of Steel. Everything after that is the fault of Warner Bros. for leaving such a talentless buffoon in charge. Considering Snyder's shown himself capable of doing things other than grim and dark in the past, in fact Snyder is at his best when he can be big and bombastic, and DC saying initially they wanted MoS to be like the Dark Knight Trilogy, and now that Snyder is nowhere near Warner and DC they're still beating the drum of grim and dark... I don't think it was ever Snyder's call how gritty and dark those movies were. Like, sure, there are other aspects of those movies that fall on Snyder's shoulders but the "Grim" DC Cinematic Universe movement isn't one of them. DC's been chasing the dragon that is Nolan's movies in terms of profits ever since they ended without understanding why they worked and why they weren't just "gritty and dark" movies. Look no further for the most recent evidence that is Titans.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 26, 2018 21:10:31 GMT -5
I'm bald. I was way before this though.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 26, 2018 22:16:47 GMT -5
Okay now I'm deeply confused if Dick Grayson was supposedly killed by The Joker. I assumed it had to be some sort of Jason Todd reference since he was actually, you know, killed by The Joker. I'm still wrapping my head around the notion of trying to start an entire franchise of movies based on The Dark Knight Returns (a grim revisionist older Batman tale that frankly wouldn't prove popular with the average person) and Death of Superman (the main storyline that cratered the comics industry). Hey, come see our movie! Batman is a crazy middle aged psycho and Superman dies!
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Post by Juice on Jul 26, 2018 22:25:22 GMT -5
I just can't figure out why that after Man of Steel was criticized for being too grim and had an underwhelming run at the box office, they let him double down on the grim with BvS. And then when that did worse on both fronts than Man of Steel, they STILL kept him for Justice League. I only blame Snyder for the shortcomings of Man of Steel. Everything after that is the fault of Warner Bros. for leaving such a talentless buffoon in charge. Considering Snyder's shown himself capable of doing things other than grim and dark in the past, in fact Snyder is at his best when he can be big and bombastic, and DC saying initially they wanted MoS to be like the Dark Knight Trilogy, and now that Snyder is nowhere near Warner and DC they're still beating the drum of grim and dark... I don't think it was ever Snyder's call how gritty and dark those movies were. Like, sure, there are other aspects of those movies that fall on Snyder's shoulders but the "Grim" DC Cinematic Universe movement isn't one of them. DC's been chasing the dragon that is Nolan's movies in terms of profits ever since they ended without understanding why they worked and why they weren't just "gritty and dark" movies. Look no further for the most recent evidence that is Titans. People don't understand this. They have scaoegoated Snyder and that's all she wrote. Nevermind WB.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 26, 2018 22:31:05 GMT -5
Okay now I'm deeply confused if Dick Grayson was supposedly killed by The Joker. I assumed it had to be some sort of Jason Todd reference since he was actually, you know, killed by The Joker. I'm still wrapping my head around the notion of trying to start an entire franchise of movies based on The Dark Knight Returns (a grim revisionist older Batman tale that frankly wouldn't prove popular with the average person) and Death of Superman (the main storyline that cratered the comics industry). Hey, come see our movie! Batman is a crazy middle aged psycho and Superman dies! I'm not sure where this that is Dick Grayson's suit is coming from all of a sudden. Because I remember during the lead-in to and around the time of the release of the movie Warner, DC and Snyder all said that suit wasn't Grayson's. Snyder even confirmed Grayson was alive and operating elsewhere, teasing we'd in time see Nightwing. They confirmed whoever it was that Robin was dead and wouldn't confirm which one it was but they all but said it was Jason Todd's suit. Which, you know, makes sense if it's going to be any of the Robins outside of Stephanie Brown.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 26, 2018 22:32:23 GMT -5
People hated Suckerpunch. Yeah, Suckerpunch was not well liked by anybody. That movie sticks in my craw, a primary reason is because a lot of people rushed to say how good it was when it came out because it was like a "feminist action" movie, ignoring the fact that a). the cool ass sequences were not even a third of the movie, and b). IT'S ONE OF THE MOST ANTI-FEMINIST MOVIES EVER MADE!!! Gah, how I hate that guy! Now my hackels are raised!
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 26, 2018 22:37:48 GMT -5
Yeah, Suckerpunch was not well liked by anybody. That movie sticks in my craw, a primary reason is because a lot of people rushed to say how good it was when it came out because it was like a "feminist action" movie, ignoring the fact that a). the cool ass sequences were not even a third of the movie, and b). IT'S ONE OF THE MOST ANTI-FEMINIST MOVIES EVER MADE!!! Gah, how I hate that guy! Now my hackels are raised! The sad thing is I think he really did mean well and was trying to be feminist but he did it in the dumbest way possible and ended up completely missing the mark.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jul 27, 2018 1:54:23 GMT -5
I think Snyder could potentially do something with Batman in a solo outing, but his take on Superman is just....wrong. Brooding, dark Superman that doesn't want to help people is a crap take on the character that no one could possibly get behind. Psychotic, on the edge Batman having a serious change in how he does business could potentially be interesting. The problem is that Snyder tossed this out there with no context. I'm assuming Bruce Wayne was angry and haunted by The Joker killing Jason Todd/Robin given that one scene of Bruce staring at Robin's defaced costume, but we have no connection to this whatsoever. No flashback, no previous movie, nothing. So the whole idea of Batman branding people, not caring if he kills bad guys anymore, generally being a burned out lunatic...none of it really makes sense. Superman didn't want to help people? He saved people and the world in Man of Steel.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 27, 2018 8:13:34 GMT -5
At the end of the day he did but the whole angst ridden "Is this my destiny" nonsense isn't really my cup of tea when it comes to Superman. I actually thought B vs. S was a better movie than Man of Steel, or at least so unhinged and nuts that it's worth seeing multiple times. Man of Steel is just dreary, unappealing, and uninteresting.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 27, 2018 8:14:45 GMT -5
No.
Zack Snyder does not get away because WB is just as bad.
Snyder sucks and should be torn down at all available opportunities or they'll let him maliciously assault someone else's favorite franchise.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 8:14:56 GMT -5
I think Snyder could potentially do something with Batman in a solo outing, but his take on Superman is just....wrong. Brooding, dark Superman that doesn't want to help people is a crap take on the character that no one could possibly get behind. Psychotic, on the edge Batman having a serious change in how he does business could potentially be interesting. The problem is that Snyder tossed this out there with no context. I'm assuming Bruce Wayne was angry and haunted by The Joker killing Jason Todd/Robin given that one scene of Bruce staring at Robin's defaced costume, but we have no connection to this whatsoever. No flashback, no previous movie, nothing. So the whole idea of Batman branding people, not caring if he kills bad guys anymore, generally being a burned out lunatic...none of it really makes sense. Superman didn't want to help people? He saved people and the world in Man of Steel. People say this all the time, even though it's just clearly not true if you watch the movie. Framing and Aesthetics always supersede text. Always. People should watch Lindsay Ellis' excellent look at Megan Fox in Transformers on "The Whole Plate" for a great example of why the 'Brooding Superman who doesn't care' myth of these movies doesn't go away.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 30, 2018 20:36:10 GMT -5
up next on the Snyder talking about his movie... he is now officially saying that Joker killed Dick Grayson.
In his movie... that no one will have ever seen...
for a character that we really have no attachment to...
Yeah.
That said this was never going to fly by WB/DC...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 20:54:33 GMT -5
like if they had a solo batman movie lined up shortly after BVS that showed how robin died, then it could work. Not when batman's killing though
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jul 30, 2018 22:37:43 GMT -5
up next on the Snyder talking about his movie... he is now officially saying that Joker killed Dick Grayson. In his movie... that no one will have ever seen... for a character that we really have no attachment to... Yeah. That said this was never going to fly by WB/DC... What are you talking about? Warner Bros would totally flush a Nightwing film down the drain for a Robin that only had a handful of appearances in Frank Miller's Elseworld trilogy that peaked and wore out its welcome in the FIRST installment. Snyder, why are you like this?
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 30, 2018 22:43:56 GMT -5
up next on the Snyder talking about his movie... he is now officially saying that Joker killed Dick Grayson. In his movie... that no one will have ever seen... for a character that we really have no attachment to... Yeah. That said this was never going to fly by WB/DC... What are you talking about? Warner Bros would totally flush a Nightwing film down the drain for a Robin that only had a handful of appearances in Frank Miller's Elseworld trilogy that peaked and wore out its welcome in the FIRST installment. Snyder, why are you like this? Because people are paying attention to him, and he is craving it.
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