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Post by cosmo on Aug 1, 2021 10:06:43 GMT -5
Relevant: If they'd stiffed Big Dave on what he earned, he would have been hurting.
Wait, Batista was broke when he got hired for the first Guardians movie? I'm curious now... did he have a gambling problem or make some really bad investments? Did his accountant f*** him over? Did being around Ric Flair so much rub off on him and make him throw money at everything?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 1, 2021 10:47:22 GMT -5
Relevant: If they'd stiffed Big Dave on what he earned, he would have been hurting. Wait, Batista was broke when he got hired for the first Guardians movie? I'm curious now... did he have a gambling problem or make some really bad investments? Did his accountant f*** him over? Did being around Ric Flair so much rub off on him and make him throw money at everything?
Most likely still living the lifestyle he had when he was cashing WWE paycheques while not having a regular income. The word at the time of his first departure was that he was likely to stay or would soon return because he lived expensive and didn't appear to have many options outside wrestling.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 1, 2021 11:22:21 GMT -5
Them putting out the statement acting like she was being greedy during covid for trying to get monies owed her is just full on scummy.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 1, 2021 11:30:45 GMT -5
Wait, Batista was broke when he got hired for the first Guardians movie? I'm curious now... did he have a gambling problem or make some really bad investments? Did his accountant f*** him over? Did being around Ric Flair so much rub off on him and make him throw money at everything?
Most likely still living the lifestyle he had when he was cashing WWE paycheques while not having a regular income. The word at the time of his first departure was that he was likely to stay or would soon return because he lived expensive and didn't appear to have many options outside wrestling. I think he was expecting to get some celebrity MMA fights as well. I think he only got 1 fight.
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 1, 2021 11:40:04 GMT -5
I've said it before but Disney are basically WWE if they had good publicity. One of the most baffling sacred cows on the internet. Hopefully this opens many eyes.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 1, 2021 11:42:58 GMT -5
Most likely still living the lifestyle he had when he was cashing WWE paycheques while not having a regular income. The word at the time of his first departure was that he was likely to stay or would soon return because he lived expensive and didn't appear to have many options outside wrestling. I think he was expecting to get some celebrity MMA fights as well. I think he only got 1 fight. Yeah, he trained with the Gracies for a couple of years - and they obviously didn't donate their time - and was in negotiations with Strikeforce before a deal fell through. In the end he had the one fight for CES MMA against a tomato can. Between his leaving WWE and his big break with GotG he did a couple of movies but nothing that would've made up for the loss of his WWE income.
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Post by eJm on Aug 1, 2021 11:51:19 GMT -5
I think he was expecting to get some celebrity MMA fights as well. I think he only got 1 fight. Yeah, he trained with the Gracies for a couple of years - and they obviously didn't donate their time - and was in negotiations with Strikeforce before a deal fell through. In the end he had the one fight for CES MMA against a tomato can. Between his leaving WWE and his big break with GotG he did a couple of movies but nothing that would've made up for the loss of his WWE income. I mean, I don’t think he’s doing much better since then. Have you seen his new career as a guy who watches streams in the wild? He doesn’t have a house!
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 1, 2021 12:27:06 GMT -5
Yeah, he trained with the Gracies for a couple of years - and they obviously didn't donate their time - and was in negotiations with Strikeforce before a deal fell through. In the end he had the one fight for CES MMA against a tomato can. Between his leaving WWE and his big break with GotG he did a couple of movies but nothing that would've made up for the loss of his WWE income. I mean, I don’t think he’s doing much better since then. Have you seen his new career as a guy who watches streams in the wild? He doesn’t have a house! Don't have to worry about property tax or rent when you're a mountain man.
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Post by thechase on Aug 1, 2021 12:30:57 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 1, 2021 13:34:47 GMT -5
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Aug 1, 2021 15:01:25 GMT -5
I've said it before but Disney are basically WWE if they had good publicity. One of the most baffling sacred cows on the internet. Hopefully this opens many eyes. I don't think it's that baffling: Disney owns a lot of intellectual property that it can sell to the general public and that the general public wants to buy. When the Disney/Fox happened, there were plenty of news articles and opinion pieces about how media concentration and consolidation is bad for culture, how there will be fewer creative opportunities for writers, directors, actors, and everyone worked in TV and movie productions, and where Fox was planning on spending their Disney money, namely on sports and, sadly, news, was going to have long-lasting ramifications outside of people's entertainment. But for the average person, and the more intense hobby fandoms on the internet, those things didn't matter. The prospect of someday seeing Captain America sharing the big screen with Spider-Man, Wolverine, and the Fantastic Four matters more than all that other stuff. I don't even think this is Disney, as a big, bad corporation, necessarily duping people into buying IP; people have gladly and willingly pledged their support to consuming Disney content. Each entity involved in this relationship reinforces the other's worst tendencies. I think people will only care about this recent news about Johansson if the overall Marvel content-entertainment distribution machine gets disrupted, but only as a detour to eventually getting Avengers 5, 6, and 7, and not about the substance of the issue at hand with Johansson's lawsuit. This recent piece from Forbes puts a lot of Disney's response into perspective: www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2021/07/30/scarlett-johansson-black-widow-bombed-at-box-office-disney-plus-marvel-tv-could-thrive/?sh=668570d4bb78{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 1, 2021 15:04:14 GMT -5
A lot of people even to the average person.
Said that Disney buying fox wasn't great, but they were the better option of the two that were going to buy it.
for as bad as Disney is as a company. The Alternative was Comcast, and there was no upside to Comcast buying them.
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Post by eJm on Aug 1, 2021 15:12:08 GMT -5
A lot of people even to the average person. Said that Disney buying fox wasn't great, but they were the better option of the two that were going to buy it. for as bad as Disney is as a company. The Alternative was Comcast, and there was no upside to Comcast buying them. Fox pretty much wanted Disney to buy their studios because they had worked with them for years and could trust them with their properties. The Comcast scenario would be like if Disney had everything it had now but also decided to buy Direct TV and own the cable of millions of Americans as well.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 1, 2021 15:31:29 GMT -5
With Disney too, a LOT of people's childhood nostalgia is very much tied into so many things they own. Hell, I'd say damn near all of us have at least one property or character we're emotionally invested in from way back that's Disney.
For some people, criticizing the brand is like criticizing them/their childhood loves.
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Post by eJm on Aug 1, 2021 15:58:34 GMT -5
With Disney too, a LOT of people's childhood nostalgia is very much tied into so many things they own. Hell, I'd say damn near all of us have at least one property or character we're emotionally invested in from way back that's Disney. For some people, criticizing the brand is like criticizing them/their childhood loves. It’s stuff that’s grown in communities over the years. The people mega attached to WWE from childhood being a very vocal example. But yeah, when people get attached to stuff that meant a lot to them, it leaves them open to ignore flaws or at least accept they can enjoy something and know it is flawed or has the capability of doing really messed up things.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 1, 2021 17:00:00 GMT -5
A lot of people even to the average person. Said that Disney buying fox wasn't great, but they were the better option of the two that were going to buy it. for as bad as Disney is as a company. The Alternative was Comcast, and there was no upside to Comcast buying them. Fox pretty much wanted Disney to buy their studios because they had worked with them for years and could trust them with their properties. The Comcast scenario would be like if Disney had everything it had now but also decided to buy Direct TV and own the cable of millions of Americans as well. and literally also the providers of the internet and owner of basically the internet pipes for millions.
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Post by eJm on Aug 1, 2021 17:04:51 GMT -5
Fox pretty much wanted Disney to buy their studios because they had worked with them for years and could trust them with their properties. The Comcast scenario would be like if Disney had everything it had now but also decided to buy Direct TV and own the cable of millions of Americans as well. and literally also the providers of the internet and owner of basically the internet pipes for millions. It's weird to say what we got was the best-case scenario but...yeah...
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Aug 1, 2021 17:19:48 GMT -5
A lot of people even to the average person. Said that Disney buying fox wasn't great, but they were the better option of the two that were going to buy it. for as bad as Disney is as a company. The Alternative was Comcast, and there was no upside to Comcast buying them. It's an interesting "What If...?" story, maybe one that will show up on Disney+, to imagine the cons of Comcast owning the Fox ventures, and the specific Marvel properties Fox had, but ultimately Disney decided to dance with the devil and do the deal, so it's the company that shoulders the blame of being criticized. Knowing which aspects of Fox, as a company, got to use Disney's dollars, especially over the past couple of years, and more specifically since the pandemic, makes me wonder if Disney was actually the lesser evil than Comcast after all. Knowing at what cost Disney's X-Men and Fantastic Four movies will have come sucks. And maybe they aren't worth it because of that cost? But stuff like that is easily forgettable for people who just want a few hours' escape from those things, and the likelihood of Black Widow 2 happening with Florence Pugh as the lead, more likely now after Johansson's lawsuit, will be more important to those same millions of people.
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Post by eJm on Aug 1, 2021 17:27:52 GMT -5
Knowing which aspects of Fox, as a company, got to use Disney's dollars, especially over the past couple of years, and more specifically since the pandemic, makes me wonder if Disney was actually the lesser evil than Comcast after all. I think the thing you have to know about this is that Comcast were offering more in cash upfront than Disney was. A big reason for that was to delay the deal as much as possible rather than actually wanting Fox's movies and TV studios in any considerable way because, well, Fox was at least going to see what this offer was like but that's the big thing that has to be considered. Like, this scenario would be there either way but in terms of what we got, the bullet dodged the chest and hit the leg. It still sucks but, well, it could be worse.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 1, 2021 19:50:29 GMT -5
It's because there's no doubt they kissed his ass, big time. They weren't gonna run the risk of pissing off the biggest male star in Hollywood. They still want him to be in movie franchises for them.
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