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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on May 6, 2018 22:42:20 GMT -5
After tonight, no one can ever tell me AJ is better than Bryan.
Ever.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 6, 2018 22:42:21 GMT -5
You know what else AJ Styles is done with?
Children.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 6, 2018 22:44:16 GMT -5
I disagree with every fiber of my being, well not really but I highly disagree
Tonight’s match was really good sans finish. Their Mania match was good but didn’t have the crowd with them. They’ve performed pretty well and AJ himself has been doing his thing
He got put in a sucky situation with the KO/Sami BS to buy time for Shinsuke. However, let’s not forget him and Cena had a really damn good SD main event match
This just screams what have u done for me lately. KN, you my boy but we going have to disagree on this one
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 22:45:51 GMT -5
I was against it before but I'll say it now...
I'm 100% ok with Miz being world champion again as long as AJ loses the belt. If Miz wins MITB and then AJ loses the title to Miz I'm going to buy a Miz shirt the night after.
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Post by cabbageboy on May 6, 2018 22:46:12 GMT -5
Yeah I really enjoyed the match and even kinda laughed at the bizarre finish. I think the problem with AJ is that a lot of the stuff he's involved in is booked like crap. I mean we saw the guy drag an easily career best match out of Jinder Mahal, so let's not act like he doesn't have it anymore. But anything with Owens and Zayn was all that Shane idiocy and was more about wacky storylines than actual work, and I've quite enjoyed the Nakamura feud once it got past the mutual respect club at WM and became an actual feud.
That being said, put Joe in this feud.
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Post by Some Guy on May 6, 2018 22:49:17 GMT -5
Feel like people ignore that he had a really, really good match with Sami on Smackdown and another damn good one with Rusev. I really liked this match, too, just had a horrid ending which they aren't responsible for.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 22:49:41 GMT -5
Don't mind AJ and the match itself was ok before they pulled the plug on it just as it was getting good, but tonight was the night to strap Nakamura up. I was DONE mentally after that bullshit ending.
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Post by Sparkybob on May 6, 2018 23:21:23 GMT -5
He is working smarter not harder. His spot is secure like Punk was in late 2014? (Or whatever his last run was) where he is not going to get higher up on the card nor lower on the card. Motivation takes a hit at that point.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on May 6, 2018 23:31:55 GMT -5
Styles been as exciting as a brick wall since winning the title and these matches with Nakamura have been some of the most miserably boring watches I've had all year. Get the title off this man before he can metamorphosize in to Dolph Ziggler any further. Wouldn’t not having the title only speed up that process?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 6, 2018 23:39:00 GMT -5
Feel like people ignore that he had a really, really good match with Sami on Smackdown and another damn good one with Rusev. I really liked this match, too, just had a horrid ending which they aren't responsible for. I feel like people were expecting earth shattering matches from AJ/Nak and because they are only merely good, it's a failure As you said he's had really good SD matches with Sami and Rusev and also the match I pointed out as well with Cena I get the frustration with the booking but to pin this on AJ is crazy
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Post by EyeofTyr on May 7, 2018 0:03:16 GMT -5
Got to disagree, I feel like the matches are going pretty much exactly how they've clearly engineered them to. Where the Wrestlemania match was the "Don't pull your load here guys, please" but still a taste of what's to come match, even if it was not the wisest move on the booking's part to make that the Wrestlemania match but I digress, and then here tonight we had the progression match here where we start getting more of what to expect before a WWE finish puts the kibosh on it. Ultimately and most likely leading to a third and final match at Summerslam where the boys get to go all out and tear the roof off the place.
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Post by Starshine on May 7, 2018 0:10:07 GMT -5
You know what else AJ Styles is done with? Children. It's true. He hates children so much that the reason he tattooed his own kids birth dates into his side was that so whenever he looked at them all he can think of is pain.
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Post by Some Guy on May 7, 2018 0:28:21 GMT -5
Feel like people ignore that he had a really, really good match with Sami on Smackdown and another damn good one with Rusev. I really liked this match, too, just had a horrid ending which they aren't responsible for. I feel like people were expecting earth shattering matches from AJ/Nak and because they are only merely good, it's a failure As you said he's had really good SD matches with Sami and Rusev and also the match I pointed out as well with Cena I get the frustration with the booking but to pin this on AJ is crazy I hated the Cena match but that's because I think Cena/AJ matches are annoying as hell. Otherwise, I agree with you. Nak isn't the talent he used to be and that's fine, their matches can be a different flow. If you want a top tier talent facing AJ, it'll come from Almas or Bryan probably.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 7, 2018 0:29:10 GMT -5
Got to disagree, I feel like the matches are going pretty much exactly how they've clearly engineered them to. Where the Wrestlemania match was the "Don't pull your load here guys, please" but still a taste of what's to come match, even if it was not the wisest move on the booking's part to make that the Wrestlemania match but I digress, and then here tonight we had the progression match here where we start getting more of what to expect before a WWE finish puts the kibosh on it. Ultimately and most likely leading to a third and final match at Summerslam where the boys get to go all out and tear the roof off the place. I hate hate hate that certain people get this excuse. “Oh well it wasn’t supposed to be a good match at Wrestlemania” THEN WHAT’S THE POINT? Why can’t we call out wrestlers when they lay an egg? Its not always the big bad booking team. Nakamura hasn’t been shit for 2 years. If he’s ‘not a top tier talent anymore’ then why is he wasting time in matches that are too f***ing long? Get him out of there and get someone who IS supposed to have good matches.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 0:31:29 GMT -5
It's not styles, its literally almost everyone on both shows except like Rollins and maybe miz & braun.
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Post by berlynwright on May 7, 2018 0:50:42 GMT -5
The matches have been getting better and tonight’s was heading towards motyc territory until the finish. It’s a long program and such finishes will be here and there to extend it to big blowoff. To those who complain about AJ being champion, just remember the last champion was Jinder.
AJ at 5% is still better than Jinder. That being said, Nakamura deserves a run as champion. It could come as soon as next ppv
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on May 7, 2018 1:12:07 GMT -5
Big WWE matches, even good ones, are a whole lot of bullshit that doesn't matter and then a little bit of near-falls and finishers and then the end. If you're lucky, the finishers and near-falls are exciting, and the bullshit is entertaining. If you're VERY lucky, the bullshit and the finisher-part is connected in some clear way that's narratively satisfying and relates to the overall feud.
The thing that makes the bullshit section interesting is character work. Styles at his best, even as a face, is a show-off, he takes control by doing some weird, unexpected counter. Styles is really good at SPOTS... planned out exchanges with his opponent where they work out something cool to happen. Spots are what make matches not boring. They're not really doing many spots, for some reason. It keeps the characters from showing through.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 1:12:20 GMT -5
He's the best in ring performer in the company to my mind.
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Post by EyeofTyr on May 7, 2018 2:35:56 GMT -5
Got to disagree, I feel like the matches are going pretty much exactly how they've clearly engineered them to. Where the Wrestlemania match was the "Don't pull your load here guys, please" but still a taste of what's to come match, even if it was not the wisest move on the booking's part to make that the Wrestlemania match but I digress, and then here tonight we had the progression match here where we start getting more of what to expect before a WWE finish puts the kibosh on it. Ultimately and most likely leading to a third and final match at Summerslam where the boys get to go all out and tear the roof off the place. I hate hate hate that certain people get this excuse. “Oh well it wasn’t supposed to be a good match at Wrestlemania” THEN WHAT’S THE POINT? Why can’t we call out wrestlers when they lay an egg? Its not always the big bad booking team. Nakamura hasn’t been shit for 2 years. If he’s ‘not a top tier talent anymore’ then why is he wasting time in matches that are too f***ing long? Get him out of there and get someone who IS supposed to have good matches. See, I feel that's where we diverge in opinion. To me, it isn't an excuse. Their Wrestlemania match to me was acceptable, good even though clearly the two holding back and nowhere near as good as they can do. A C+ or B- when the two are clearly capable of a higher mark. My opinion that they were holding back & are capable of more was strengthened for me personally when they showed in their match at Backlash where we got even more of what they were capable of and I thought was a good but still better than their Wrestlemania match match. And, I'm assuming it was the booking's doing because this formula has been used again and again and again and again by the WWE to varying degrees of success, especially in the modern era. I'm assuming it's the booking's doing because everything is micromanaged to an insane degree in the modern era. I'm assuming it's the booking's doing when top guys like Punk have talked about how even other top guys don't always get to structure their matches or call it in the ring. I'm assuming because the evidence lends itself to it being the most logical conclusion. If it's not, hey, I'm wrong. I've enjoyed Nakamura's run overall though I admit he's been in the WWE how he was for the last few years in NJPW. A lot of miles on his body and not having an absolute classic every night, though against the right opponents and in the right moments he's been able to show (to me at least) he's still able to produce. Matches like the Sami match everyone talks about, his NXT title matches, the Royal Rumble, his match with Rusev, the matches with AJ. Sucks you haven't been enjoying him though.
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 7, 2018 5:01:20 GMT -5
Be careful what you wish for
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