Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on May 8, 2018 7:24:43 GMT -5
Just to be clear: I fully acknowledge that sometimes the talent itself needs to shoulder blame for not performing up to snuff. But when Bray Wyatt has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Randy Orton has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Shinsuke Nakamura has a really bland run on the main WWE roster...then Jinder Mahal has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Bobby Roode has a really bland run on the main WWE roster...then AJ Styles has a really bad run as WWE Champion... I dunno, at a certain point there's something much bigger at play than just one guy's title matches not living up to expectations. Bray Wyatt - not the best in the ring, not a needle mover, and while he can talk, he's not a great promo. Randy Orton - Ratings killer, phones in his matches, awful as a face, stale character. Shinsuke Nakamura - Best days behind him, first match looked like a chump against heatless Dolph Ziggler, feuded with Baron Corbin, had to work with....... Jinder Mahal - Juiced up enhancement talent thrown into the main event, only upside of his reign were the Singh Brothers dying on PPV. Bobby Roode - instead of The It Factor, we got Face Roo without The Cowboy. Also had a heatless program with a cannot be arsed Orton and the Vein Eventer. AJ Styles - pushing 40, rumours of having a shot back just before he signed with WWE, mostly in the midcard for much of his run. Looking at that, the problem seems to be booking, having dudes in there that are past their best, and dudes that aren't being booked to their strengths.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 8, 2018 8:27:34 GMT -5
Randy Savage and Rick Steamboat were yelled at backstage at Wrestlemania III because their match was too good and overshadowed Hogan/Andre. I may be getting into conspiracy theory territory here, but perhaps AJ and Nakamura were told to hold back out of fear of upstaging Roman. I doubt it since the Mania match was promoted as being the best match in Mania history and omg it’s gonna be so good you guys.
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Post by KobashiChop on May 8, 2018 8:30:53 GMT -5
If that match had a winner and a loser it would've been incredible. The double low blow killed it dead.
AJ is still the man. He shouldn't be punished for not getting a great match out of Jinder f***ing Mahal.
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Post by Josh Spicer on May 8, 2018 10:12:12 GMT -5
I think he's fine.
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Post by Dub H on May 8, 2018 10:31:39 GMT -5
If that match had a winner and a loser it would've been incredible. The double low blow killed it dead. AJ is still the man. He shouldn't be punished for not getting a great match out of Jinder f***ing Mahal. Even the double low bow was a greast spot. Just not for the end of this particular match
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 8, 2018 10:53:35 GMT -5
AJ is still the man. He shouldn't be punished for not getting a great match out of Jinder f***ing Mahal. He had better matches with Mahal than he did with Owens or Nakamura.
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Post by abjordans on May 8, 2018 20:57:54 GMT -5
I think this Nak feud has been pretty damn entertaining. I think AJ might be a little beat up right now.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on May 8, 2018 21:06:03 GMT -5
Just to be clear: I fully acknowledge that sometimes the talent itself needs to shoulder blame for not performing up to snuff. But when Bray Wyatt has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Randy Orton has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Shinsuke Nakamura has a really bland run on the main WWE roster...then Jinder Mahal has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Bobby Roode has a really bland run on the main WWE roster...then AJ Styles has a really bad run as WWE Champion... I dunno, at a certain point there's something much bigger at play than just one guy's title matches not living up to expectations. Bray Wyatt - not the best in the ring, not a needle mover, and while he can talk, he's not a great promo. Randy Orton - Ratings killer, phones in his matches, awful as a face, stale character. Shinsuke Nakamura - Best days behind him, first match looked like a chump against heatless Dolph Ziggler, feuded with Baron Corbin, had to work with....... Jinder Mahal - Juiced up enhancement talent thrown into the main event, only upside of his reign were the Singh Brothers dying on PPV. Bobby Roode - instead of The It Factor, we got Face Roo without The Cowboy. Also had a heatless program with a cannot be arsed Orton and the Vein Eventer. AJ Styles - pushing 40, rumours of having a shot back just before he signed with WWE, mostly in the midcard for much of his run. Looking at that, the problem seems to be booking, having dudes in there that are past their best, and dudes that aren't being booked to their strengths. Look at the pattern and connection. SMACKDOWN. Road Dogg just doesn't know how to book a show.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 21:16:44 GMT -5
Just to be clear: I fully acknowledge that sometimes the talent itself needs to shoulder blame for not performing up to snuff. But when Bray Wyatt has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Randy Orton has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Shinsuke Nakamura has a really bland run on the main WWE roster...then Jinder Mahal has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Bobby Roode has a really bland run on the main WWE roster...then AJ Styles has a really bad run as WWE Champion... I dunno, at a certain point there's something much bigger at play than just one guy's title matches not living up to expectations. With that said it doesn't matter to me if it's booking or the talent, I just don't want to see it anymore and I want someone else to be champion. People can blame it on booking all they want, that doesn't stop my comments. And secondly, a lot of people are so quick to defend AJ that they're not seeing all I said in the opening post. It's not all about matches, it's more than that. I'm talking about promos being less interesting, I'm talking about being boring as a character to me, I'm talking about feuds in general, all of that is why I said it. Everything is not all on booking. If people disagree they can, just make sure they understand that there's reasons why people say this. I skipped SDL because I didn't wanna watch with Styles as champion. If I watch next week it'll be skipping his stuff.
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Post by abjordans on May 9, 2018 5:08:38 GMT -5
Just to be clear: I fully acknowledge that sometimes the talent itself needs to shoulder blame for not performing up to snuff. But when Bray Wyatt has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Randy Orton has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Shinsuke Nakamura has a really bland run on the main WWE roster...then Jinder Mahal has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Bobby Roode has a really bland run on the main WWE roster...then AJ Styles has a really bad run as WWE Champion... I dunno, at a certain point there's something much bigger at play than just one guy's title matches not living up to expectations. With that said it doesn't matter to me if it's booking or the talent, I just don't want to see it anymore and I want someone else to be champion. People can blame it on booking all they want, that doesn't stop my comments. And secondly, a lot of people are so quick to defend AJ that they're not seeing all I said in the opening post. It's not all about matches, it's more than that. I'm talking about promos being less interesting, I'm talking about being boring as a character to me, I'm talking about feuds in general, all of that is why I said it. Everything is not all on booking. If people disagree they can, just make sure they understand that there's reasons why people say this. I skipped SDL because I didn't wanna watch with Styles as champion. If I watch next week it'll be skipping his stuff. If you read through this thread... you seem to be the only one who feels this way.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 9:03:37 GMT -5
With that said it doesn't matter to me if it's booking or the talent, I just don't want to see it anymore and I want someone else to be champion. People can blame it on booking all they want, that doesn't stop my comments. And secondly, a lot of people are so quick to defend AJ that they're not seeing all I said in the opening post. It's not all about matches, it's more than that. I'm talking about promos being less interesting, I'm talking about being boring as a character to me, I'm talking about feuds in general, all of that is why I said it. Everything is not all on booking. If people disagree they can, just make sure they understand that there's reasons why people say this. I skipped SDL because I didn't wanna watch with Styles as champion. If I watch next week it'll be skipping his stuff. If you read through this thread... you seem to be the only one who feels this way. There's 9 people who have agreed with me in my opening post and I've talked to people about this on this forum. Secondly, I made this thread based on my own opinions, why are you mentioning others not agreeing? I don't care if people disagree with my comments. The fact remains that I created the thread. That mob mentality of "well I and others don't agree" doesn't shake that.
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Post by chronocross on May 9, 2018 9:12:17 GMT -5
AJ is still the man. He shouldn't be punished for not getting a great match out of Jinder f***ing Mahal. He had better matches with Mahal than he did with Owens or Nakamura. Agreed, I thought the match with Mahal in the UK was a damn good match and Jinder's best match to date.
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Post by theironyuppie on May 9, 2018 9:20:28 GMT -5
AJ is still the man. He shouldn't be punished for not getting a great match out of Jinder f***ing Mahal. He had better matches with Mahal than he did with Owens or Nakamura. Styles's SDL title win was a genuinely good match.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 9, 2018 10:11:10 GMT -5
With that said it doesn't matter to me if it's booking or the talent, I just don't want to see it anymore and I want someone else to be champion. People can blame it on booking all they want, that doesn't stop my comments. And secondly, a lot of people are so quick to defend AJ that they're not seeing all I said in the opening post. It's not all about matches, it's more than that. I'm talking about promos being less interesting, I'm talking about being boring as a character to me, I'm talking about feuds in general, all of that is why I said it. Everything is not all on booking. If people disagree they can, just make sure they understand that there's reasons why people say this. I skipped SDL because I didn't wanna watch with Styles as champion. If I watch next week it'll be skipping his stuff. If you read through this thread... you seem to be the only one who feels this way. So? Should he change his opinion then? This is a weird thing to say.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 9, 2018 11:26:06 GMT -5
Bray Wyatt - not the best in the ring, not a needle mover, and while he can talk, he's not a great promo. Randy Orton - Ratings killer, phones in his matches, awful as a face, stale character. Shinsuke Nakamura - Best days behind him, first match looked like a chump against heatless Dolph Ziggler, feuded with Baron Corbin, had to work with....... Jinder Mahal - Juiced up enhancement talent thrown into the main event, only upside of his reign were the Singh Brothers dying on PPV. Bobby Roode - instead of The It Factor, we got Face Roo without The Cowboy. Also had a heatless program with a cannot be arsed Orton and the Vein Eventer. AJ Styles - pushing 40, rumours of having a shot back just before he signed with WWE, mostly in the midcard for much of his run. Looking at that, the problem seems to be booking, having dudes in there that are past their best, and dudes that aren't being booked to their strengths. Look at the pattern and connection. SMACKDOWN. Road Dogg just doesn't know how to book a show. To be fair, though, Raw gave the world Kevin Owens as an utterly heat-less world champion, Reigns as the pariah he’s increasingly becoming, and the complete misuse of seemingly can’t-miss talents like Bayley. Granted, Raw at least got Strowman over and it’s stuck working around the Lesnar issue, but it’s not a great look either way.
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Post by abjordans on May 9, 2018 11:29:28 GMT -5
If you read through this thread... you seem to be the only one who feels this way. So? Should he change his opinion then? This is a weird thing to say. No, but the post I responded to seemed to imply that a lot of people agreed AJ was having a bad run, and this thread says otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 11:46:15 GMT -5
So? Should he change his opinion then? This is a weird thing to say. No, but the post I responded to seemed to imply that a lot of people agreed AJ was having a bad run, and this thread says otherwise. In my post you responded to I said "I", "I'm" or "me" 13 times. Even the title of this thread says "I'm done with AJ Styles-" rather than "many people" are done. I'm clearly talking about myself and my opinions here. Nowhere did I say "a lot of people agreed", I said "people" as in more than 1 person. If you need proof of more than 1 person saying it in general then you can look at the amount of people who liked my post and the comments of this thread. Nowhere was this a comparison between who agrees and disagrees, it's an opinion that more than 1 person shares. That goes back to people being defensive about AJ and his run run because you somehow thought since I disliked his run and disagreed with it to immediately think I said a lot agreed with me when it's not. A lot of people misunderstood even the opening post thinking I'm only talking about matches as in when I mention "being impressed" as in people can only be impressed with matches forgetting people can be impressed in promos, random segments, just overall there's a lot of different areas of what impresses people rather than matches. I even mentioned promos in the first post for that. Overall though, nah you're off base here. You can disagree all you want, that's not changing an opinion that I and others have.
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Post by Aboutreika18 on May 9, 2018 12:51:36 GMT -5
I don't get why people get defensive when someone doesn't think a talent is working to the best of his/her ability, whether due to booking or their own motivation/injuries etc.
No talent is above that, even if it is "Smark favourites" like AJ, Nak or Bryan.
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Post by abjordans on May 9, 2018 13:33:55 GMT -5
No, but the post I responded to seemed to imply that a lot of people agreed AJ was having a bad run, and this thread says otherwise. In my post you responded to I said "I", "I'm" or "me" 13 times. Even the title of this thread says "I'm done with AJ Styles-" rather than "many people" are done. I'm clearly talking about myself and my opinions here. Nowhere did I say "a lot of people agreed", I said "people" as in more than 1 person. If you need proof of more than 1 person saying it in general then you can look at the amount of people who liked my post and the comments of this thread. Nowhere was this a comparison between who agrees and disagrees, it's an opinion that more than 1 person shares. That goes back to people being defensive about AJ and his run run because you somehow thought since I disliked his run and disagreed with it to immediately think I said a lot agreed with me when it's not. A lot of people misunderstood even the opening post thinking I'm only talking about matches as in when I mention "being impressed" as in people can only be impressed with matches forgetting people can be impressed in promos, random segments, just overall there's a lot of different areas of what impresses people rather than matches. I even mentioned promos in the first post for that. Overall though, nah you're off base here. You can disagree all you want, that's not changing an opinion that I and others have. I don’t think I tried to change your opinion, just said didn’t seem like many agreed. You seem to be the one getting defensive.
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Post by MrElijah on May 9, 2018 14:38:07 GMT -5
Just to be clear: I fully acknowledge that sometimes the talent itself needs to shoulder blame for not performing up to snuff. But when Bray Wyatt has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Randy Orton has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Shinsuke Nakamura has a really bland run on the main WWE roster...then Jinder Mahal has a really bad run as WWE Champion...then Bobby Roode has a really bland run on the main WWE roster...then AJ Styles has a really bad run as WWE Champion... I dunno, at a certain point there's something much bigger at play than just one guy's title matches not living up to expectations. I maintain that Cena to Wyatt to Orton to Jinder run did damage to SDL on top of the other cracks in SDL's original armor.
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