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Post by Legion on Jul 13, 2018 13:46:50 GMT -5
How much is irrelevant, the point remains a worker is denied the right to earn money because of their gender in both situation. By your logic, everyone with a WWE contract who isn’t on 205 Live or NXT should get paid every time those shows are on. The show in Saudi Arabia wasn’t booked as a men-only show- the women COULD NOT appear even if WWE had wanted it. Booking a women-only PPV is just another gimmick show and the men aren’t being denied anything. No, but they are, because WWE is creating a scenario where by they are denying them the right to work; WWE is possibly putting on a show on the network that men could work, but they are purposefully saying 'you cant work this show based on your gender.' This is another 'gimmick' show, but it's a gimmick that restricts people who could work the show based on the same thing WWE was criticised for allowing with the Saudi tour - their gender. That isn't the same scenario as 205, which restricts based on weight and anyone could have the chance if they lost/gained weight to be booked for it. The Saudi situation was poor, and it was good WWE decided to pay the people who had their shows cancelled, but doing a female version of the situation doesnt make it better, it just perpetrates the idea of separate but equal, which isnt actually equal at all. Though granted, there isnt anything at all wrong with having a female only show - but if you are going to say that they are ok, then it is equally ok to have male only ones. I prefer the shows as they are, with a mix of both.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 13, 2018 14:57:47 GMT -5
By your logic, everyone with a WWE contract who isn’t on 205 Live or NXT should get paid every time those shows are on. The show in Saudi Arabia wasn’t booked as a men-only show- the women COULD NOT appear even if WWE had wanted it. Booking a women-only PPV is just another gimmick show and the men aren’t being denied anything. No, but they are, because WWE is creating a scenario where by they are denying them the right to work; WWE is possibly putting on a show on the network that men could work, but they are purposefully saying 'you cant work this show based on your gender.' This is another 'gimmick' show, but it's a gimmick that restricts people who could work the show based on the same thing WWE was criticised for allowing with the Saudi tour - their gender. That isn't the same scenario as 205, which restricts based on weight and anyone could have the chance if they lost/gained weight to be booked for it. The Saudi situation was poor, and it was good WWE decided to pay the people who had their shows cancelled, but doing a female version of the situation doesnt make it better, it just perpetrates the idea of separate but equal, which isnt actually equal at all. Though granted, there isnt anything at all wrong with having a female only show - but if you are going to say that they are ok, then it is equally ok to have male only ones. I prefer the shows as they are, with a mix of both. It's not denying their "right to work" because this doesn't effect their employment/contract with WWE at all. It's one show. They're looking at maybe booking one single show for one night. If you're really genuinely that all up on true equality and an even split then where are your complaints about the sausage fest that is 205 Live? How do you feel about the women having 53 minutes of the total 156 minutes of ring time at Wrestlemania 34, the match with a HISTORIC four womens' matches, even though the longest match of those four and accountable for over a third of that total runtime was a mixed tag match primarily worked by at least one man at a given moment? WWE going to a country where women are literally barred from public performance and all the many other issues with that country is not on the same level as booking one showcase night to see if the women can carry a show and draw by themselves. It's also missing a large part of why that was such a sore point: WWE championed itself as a major force in the world for women's rights for some weirdo reason, then went and did a paid show for a country where the country itself had to apologize for women being shown in a commercial. It wasn't just "women can't work the show" and again, you're stripping away vital elements of the context and actual conversation to take it off into a specific direction that doesn't feel all that genuine to me at all, because it's not one that's come up before the idea of challenging the status quo gets thrown around. Equality does not mean equity, but even if you want to get some kind of scorecard going on how many shows with no women on the card WWE has run, you'll find a whole lot of ground to make up for.
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Post by sunnytaker on Jul 13, 2018 15:38:51 GMT -5
I can't wait to see the Historic First Ever All-Women WWE PPV, which is a truly historic accomplishment being done for the first time ever. We'll truly be a part of history - historic, first ever, historic history. so the main event will be sasha vs charlotte then right? HISTORY is involved so it must be them.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jul 13, 2018 22:49:16 GMT -5
This PPV is just an excuse to get Roman Reign's over as he will be the special guest historical referee
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Post by romanstylesiii on Jul 13, 2018 23:09:28 GMT -5
Keep it to two hours and it will work.
Knowing WWE it will be 5 hours and awful with it being no fault to the women themselves
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Jul 14, 2018 0:33:26 GMT -5
By your logic, everyone with a WWE contract who isn’t on 205 Live or NXT should get paid every time those shows are on. The show in Saudi Arabia wasn’t booked as a men-only show- the women COULD NOT appear even if WWE had wanted it. Booking a women-only PPV is just another gimmick show and the men aren’t being denied anything. The men can't perform on a women's only ppv. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are, they can't So they should be paid. Why should the particular reason why you can't work matter? "Oh you can't work for POLITICAL reasons, get paid" "Oh you can't work because we said so, don't get paid" It isn't because of "political" reasons, the women all missed out on a week of work and a massive payday because of discriminatory laws in a nation that WWE is directly doing business with. The women literally were not able to work because of legal reasons, not business decisions.
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Post by clifford on Jul 14, 2018 4:35:29 GMT -5
Spot the dudes in this thread who wanted to attend the all female screening of Wonder Woman
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 5:06:23 GMT -5
Let's say theoretically that the WWE does, in fact, give the guys the Sunday off, but decides to give them some sort of compensation, basically giving them stat holiday pay. What exactly is the problem with that? The WWE is a billion dollar company. Does Vince Mcmahon need that money to buy a yacht? Does he need it to invest in the XFL? The male performers have children, mortgages, bills etc just like the female performers. I really don't see how giving the males a paid day off, is somehow bad. But doing the same for the women was awesome.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jul 14, 2018 5:16:28 GMT -5
I can't wait to see the Historic First Ever All-Women WWE PPV, which is a truly historic accomplishment being done for the first time ever. We'll truly be a part of history - historic, first ever, historic history. so the main event will be sasha vs charlotte then right? HISTORY is involved so it must be them. Don't forget Stephanie.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jul 14, 2018 5:20:16 GMT -5
I'll go ahead and ask the question everyone here is thinking: How in the world will they get Roman over on an all women PPV?
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Post by Goon on Jul 14, 2018 5:31:25 GMT -5
I'll go ahead and ask the question everyone here is thinking: How in the world will they get Roman over on an all women PPV? Dress him up in a cute dress and call him Romana?
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 14, 2018 5:32:44 GMT -5
Let's say theoretically that the WWE does, in fact, give the guys the Sunday off, but decides to give them some sort of compensation, basically giving them stat holiday pay. What exactly is the problem with that? The WWE is a billion dollar company. Does Vince Mcmahon need that money to buy a yacht? Does he need it to invest in the XFL? The male performers have children, mortgages, bills etc just like the female performers. I really don't see how giving the males a paid day off, is somehow bad. But doing the same for the women was awesome. Nobody is saying men shouldn't get paid they're saying this bad faith point you're insincerely making sucks, and you know it sucks. The differences have been talked to death in this thread already.
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Post by repomark on Jul 14, 2018 8:07:08 GMT -5
Wow this thread went south fast.
I don’t really care to be honest - an all woman ppv has as much chance of working now than it ever has which can only be a good thing.
I think it is almost certainly on the table in response to the Saudi ppv - so no question the two are linked in my opinion even if they are obviously completely different circumstances.
I suppose there is an element if you look at it with complete impartiality - which is difficult whenever the emotion of gender equality debates kick off - that if WWE actively promoted an “all male ppv” they would be dragged over hot coals. So whilst there is I suppose a double standard in that respect - you could equally argue that WWE did all male ppvs for years and just didn’t call them that, and obviously there was the Saudi situation which was that but not given that label.
In short: why can’t we all just get along? And I for one would watch the ppv
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Post by Shy Guy on Jul 14, 2018 8:33:01 GMT -5
Spot the dudes in this thread who wanted to attend the all female screening of Wonder Woman This post is underrated. Well played
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Post by Shai on Jul 14, 2018 9:05:46 GMT -5
By your logic, everyone with a WWE contract who isn’t on 205 Live or NXT should get paid every time those shows are on. The show in Saudi Arabia wasn’t booked as a men-only show- the women COULD NOT appear even if WWE had wanted it. Booking a women-only PPV is just another gimmick show and the men aren’t being denied anything. The men can't perform on a women's only ppv. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are, they can't So they should be paid. Why should the particular reason why you can't work matter? "Oh you can't work for POLITICAL reasons, get paid" "Oh you can't work because we said so, don't get paid" Another difference would be that they literally canceled a few house shows to rush GRR through. There is nothing keeping them from running house shows around the same time as this all-women ppv There was no way they could do GRR and still run house shows. So the women missed out on doing shows that they would have been paid for.
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Post by sunnytaker on Jul 14, 2018 14:44:18 GMT -5
so the main event will be sasha vs charlotte then right? HISTORY is involved so it must be them. Don't forget Stephanie. good point. well they'll need a special guest ref after all.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 14, 2018 14:48:04 GMT -5
As an experiment, I want an all woman PPV, with female commentators, referees, bookers, and fans.
I'd be genuinely curious to see how it turns out.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jul 14, 2018 16:04:44 GMT -5
Let's say theoretically that the WWE does, in fact, give the guys the Sunday off, but decides to give them some sort of compensation, basically giving them stat holiday pay. What exactly is the problem with that? The WWE is a billion dollar company. Does Vince Mcmahon need that money to buy a yacht? Does he need it to invest in the XFL? The male performers have children, mortgages, bills etc just like the female performers. I really don't see how giving the males a paid day off, is somehow bad. But doing the same for the women was awesome. Nobody is saying men shouldn't get paid they're saying this bad faith point you're insincerely making sucks, and you know it sucks. The differences have been talked to death in this thread already. And the other thread a few months back I’f people don’t get it by now you basically wash your hands with it and move on because it ain’t worth the headache to argue something so basic that continues to go over people head
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Post by Fade on Jul 14, 2018 16:44:29 GMT -5
Yo, if it's not named "HISTORIC", it'll be a waste.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jul 14, 2018 17:42:27 GMT -5
Spot the dudes in this thread who wanted to attend the all female screening of Wonder Woman ![](https://puu.sh/yXjX9.jpg)
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