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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jul 15, 2018 22:00:07 GMT -5
Giordano's is the best thing to happen to Detroit in some years, food-wise, so yeah, y'all gonna put some respeck on deep dish pizza.  Not a fan of Buddy's? I was impressed with them when I visited Detroit about two years ago. |
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Post by The Captain on Jul 15, 2018 23:17:51 GMT -5
It is a delicious casserole, but still a casserole.  </new york pizza snob> |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 15, 2018 23:19:23 GMT -5
It is a delicious casserole, but still a casserole. </new york pizza snob> Yeah, I've had good deep dish... but that doesn't make a casserole into a pizza. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 15, 2018 23:27:38 GMT -5
I am not someone who simply writes off a person for saying one thing wrong. Having said that, f*** that guy. This is the same asshole who literally built a castle with a moat and then complained about having to spend money giving his employees health insurance. This is the same asshole that complained that he was by law being made to pay his employees more than he wanted to and then was heavily fined for stealing wages from those same employees. This was the same guy who blamed the NFL players for his company’s falling fortunes, despite the fact that the players’ protests did not even cause the NFL’s profits to go down. I can’t stand people who can’t own failures and blame others instead. Yeah, i’m long past done giving that guy the benefit of the doubt. The wage thing really was an extremely douchey thing to do, but him being opinionated about declining sales or spending money on health insurance isn't comparable. I never said they were all equal. I just said that those things have permanently turned me against the guy. I despise people who have so much extra money that they have to find useless, literal fantasy elements to spend their excess on who then complain about having to provide anything tangible and beneficial to the employees who made it possible to buy that useless junk. The wage theft was even worse, but to me that was douchey enough on its own. I’m not saying every employer has to provide benefits, but when I know a man who owns a small store in town who finds a way to provide insurance for his one employee while a guy building himself a castle with a moat and drawbridge doesn’t, it rubs me so the wrong way. Also, his blaming his business woes on someone else is pathetic. If your business is losing money, it is usually your fault for not adjusting your business appropriately. As I said before, the protests didn’t even cause the NFL’s profits to go down and even if they had a role, advertise elsewhere. Do something different to improve your business. His failure to do that is his own problem. The fact that he won’t own up to that not only looks bad, but it does affect other people’s lives. Share holders lost money. Some employees probably lost their jobs. If he owned his own failures he might have done something different that prevents that. |
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Post by chazraps on Jul 16, 2018 0:51:05 GMT -5
In context it was directed at an entire race of people. Using the word when he didn't by any stretch have to shows a staggering lack of understanding about anything. You don't have to use that word at a specific person to have used the word in a racist way. The way he did was completely racist. He wasn't reading a quote from a work of Mark Twain in the conference call. He was using his own words. A person of color using the word is an entirely different ballpark. John himself can never possibly know what that word feels like. A person of color is one who could be directly victimized by it and has a capacity and understanding of the word's power. Absolutely entire worlds apart. There is too much value being put into the word that even uttering it is proof of racism. I can not ignore the context of him using the word because his statement was intended to condemn racism. This isnt like Hogan where the word was used in a hateful manner. Its the same as when people take vulgar words and make them endearing or how a word like bitch can take on a different meaning. In this case, he was mentioning the absurdity of being called racist for disagreeing with a protest when another restaurant owner got away with making actual racist statements. So many white people these days are being accused of racism, which to me dilutes the seriousness of such an accusation. My suspicion is that there is more to this backlash, but I unfortunately cant discuss that. Do you identify as black? |
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Post by MC Blowfish on Jul 16, 2018 10:39:31 GMT -5
I am not someone who simply writes off a person for saying one thing wrong. Having said that, f*** that guy. This is the same asshole who literally built a castle with a moat and then complained about having to spend money giving his employees health insurance. This is the same asshole that complained that he was by law being made to pay his employees more than he wanted to and then was heavily fined for stealing wages from those same employees. This was the same guy who blamed the NFL players for his company’s falling fortunes, despite the fact that the players’ protests did not even cause the NFL’s profits to go down. I can’t stand people who can’t own failures and blame others instead. Yeah, i’m long past done giving that guy the benefit of the doubt. The wage thing really was an extremely douchey thing to do, but him being opinionated about declining sales or spending money on health insurance isn't comparable. He dropped the n-word in reference to Colonel Sanders supposedly saying it and getting away it. That's pretty offensive. Context matters though. It wasn't directed towards anyone. Would the same rule apply if a "person of color" were to use the term in that same context? I just find the whole thing silly. Does the guy have a big mouth? Has he been shady with wages in the past? Of course. However, him being fired for using a slur that wasn't directed at someone is ludicrous. As a white person, you are not allowed to use that word. Plain and simple. It was used for decades to tear down a race. The context that he was quoted doesn't make it any better. He was upset because Colonel Sanders was allowed to say it without people being upset. So no, he's not going to sneak through the "context" excuse. He was saying look at what he could get away with, why can't I? Because it's 2018, and people aren't going to stand for racists. |
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Post by The Captain on Jul 16, 2018 10:50:40 GMT -5
And since it has to be stated again:
Colonel Sanders didn't call black people the n-word.
Either Papa John misheard or outright lied about that.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 16, 2018 11:01:33 GMT -5
Papa John didn't get ousted just for saying this word any more than NBC fired most of the SNL crew because Charles Rocket said "f***" on live television. He gave them an excuse they'd been waiting for after he'd become a total liability, largely with the NFL issues, and this was the probable last straw.
He's not charismatic or iconic, like a mascot, or a folksy founder, like a Dave Thomas. He brought unnecessary heat onto the company without really doing anything to warrant keeping him around.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 16, 2018 11:14:23 GMT -5
Giordano's is the best thing to happen to Detroit in some years, food-wise, so yeah, y'all gonna put some respeck on deep dish pizza. Holy shit they opened a Giordanos in Detroit? I've got one less reason not to move back to the Detroit area from Chicago then. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 16, 2018 12:19:18 GMT -5
The wage thing really was an extremely douchey thing to do, but him being opinionated about declining sales or spending money on health insurance isn't comparable. I never said they were all equal. I just said that those things have permanently turned me against the guy. I despise people who have so much extra money that they have to find useless, literal fantasy elements to spend their excess on who then complain about having to provide anything tangible and beneficial to the employees who made it possible to buy that useless junk. The wage theft was even worse, but to me that was douchey enough on its own. I’m not saying every employer has to provide benefits, but when I know a man who owns a small store in town who finds a way to provide insurance for his one employee while a guy building himself a castle with a moat and drawbridge doesn’t, it rubs me so the wrong way. Also, his blaming his business woes on someone else is pathetic. If your business is losing money, it is usually your fault for not adjusting your business appropriately. As I said before, the protests didn’t even cause the NFL’s profits to go down and even if they had a role, advertise elsewhere. Do something different to improve your business. His failure to do that is his own problem. The fact that he won’t own up to that not only looks bad, but it does affect other people’s lives. Share holders lost money. Some employees probably lost their jobs. If he owned his own failures he might have done something different that prevents that. Whatever else we may say about them, Domino’s at least accepted their pizza sucked and tried to improve it. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 16, 2018 13:16:19 GMT -5
The wage thing really was an extremely douchey thing to do, but him being opinionated about declining sales or spending money on health insurance isn't comparable. Context matters though. It wasn't directed towards anyone. Would the same rule apply if a "person of color" were to use the term in that same context? I just find the whole thing silly. Does the guy have a big mouth? Has he been shady with wages in the past? Of course. However, him being fired for using a slur that wasn't directed at someone is ludicrous. As a white person, you are not allowed to use that word. Plain and simple. It was used for decades to tear down a race. The context that he was quoted doesn't make it any better. He was upset because Colonel Sanders was allowed to say it without people being upset. So no, he's not going to sneak through the "context" excuse. He was saying look at what he could get away with, why can't I? Because it's 2018, and people aren't going to stand for racists. There is only one situation I would ever use that word, and that is when I am quoting someone else who said it during some racist rant. I make it clear that I am about to quote something that I do not agree with, and then quote them directly. I don't enjoy using the word in any context, but I feel that if I am complaining to someone else about a racist rant, I want to elicit as visceral a reaction out of my listener as possible. Dealing with racism demands that. Think of it this way, which comment elicits a stronger reaction from you? A) Jaron stopped by for a visit yesterday. We were chatting in my backyard when my neighbor came out of his house, yelled at Jaron, called him the n-word, and threatened to call the cops on him if he did not leave. B) Jaron stopped by for a visit yesterday. We were chatting in my backyard when my neighbor came out of his house, yelled at Jaron, called him a n***er, and threatened to call the cops on him if he did not leave. Even though I still edited the racial slur, I daresay that B probably upset you more. That is the point. I want you to be more upset at him using that terminology. I won't be polite when outlining someone else's racism because you should get as angry about that racism as possible. The only time I use the word is to maximize the impact of the racism on someone else. BTW, that does not validate Papa John's use of the word even remotely. He tried to downplay the use of the word, did some whataboutism, and misquoted another man to justify hand-waving away racism. Even if he wanted to say "saying anything against racism will hurt my business as racists will boycott my business while not combating racism will hurt nothing, as evidenced by this example", he would not have used the n-word itself. He would have said that Col Sanders used the n-word because he is trying to reduce the impact of the word, which is not the same context at all. Instead, he said the word in that context because he almost certainly regularly uses the word. |
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Post by chazraps on Jul 16, 2018 16:23:46 GMT -5
Just remembered that the CEO of Little Caesars was quietly paying Rosa Parks' rent the last few years of her life. A tale of two drastically different pizza chains. Also, once in Harlem I was picking up a $5 Hot-and-Ready pizza at a packed Little Caesar's and, while waiting in line, George Michael's "Father Figure" came on and the whole place organically spontaneously began having a sing-along. Never experienced anything like that at dogshit Papa John's. Giordano's is the best thing to happen to Detroit in some years, food-wise, so yeah, y'all gonna put some respeck on deep dish pizza. Holy shit they opened a Giordanos in Detroit? I've got one less reason not to move back to the Detroit area from Chicago then. There's one in Minneapolis now too. Just giving you some moving options. |
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Jul 17, 2018 1:10:22 GMT -5
I'm going to go on record and say that the Papa Johns Pizza I had in New York is easily the worst Pizza I ever had.
And this after a night of extreme drinking and somehow that pizza was so crap, that all that alcohol couldn't hide how bad it tasted.
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Post by Paul on Jul 17, 2018 1:38:29 GMT -5
I'm going to go on record and say that the Papa Johns Pizza I had in New York is easily the worst Pizza I ever had. And this after a night of extreme drinking and somehow that pizza was so crap, that all that alcohol couldn't hide how bad it tasted. You were in New York and Papa John's was the pizza you decided to have?! |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 17, 2018 2:52:08 GMT -5
And since it has to be stated again:
Colonel Sanders didn't call black people the n-word.
Either Papa John misheard or outright lied about that. Well, Papa John made a trip to find out!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 7:19:51 GMT -5
I have no problem with what he said in that he was referencing the N-word to make an analogy and not using it directly. In what was supposed to be a confidential business meeting to address racism. It would be like going to a therapist to talk about your sex addiction. Then a month later the therapist leaks to the media all the weird stuff you said about sex. Well, that was kind of the whole point of the session.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 7:59:34 GMT -5
Papa John didn't get ousted just for saying this word any more than NBC fired most of the SNL crew because Charles Rocket said "f***" on live television. He gave them an excuse they'd been waiting for after he'd become a total liability, largely with the NFL issues, and this was the probable last straw. He's not charismatic or iconic, like a mascot, or a folksy founder, like a Dave Thomas. He brought unnecessary heat onto the company without really doing anything to warrant keeping him around. Like, there's nothing humble about his origin story. Marie Callender started out with an army tent, Denny's was a donut shop, and Pizza Hut was started thanks to a mother loaning money. He's a douchebag who sold a fancy car that he ended up buying back on an empire of selling lousy pizza at artisan prices. And not once did he ever admit doing better; sure, they used locally sourced vegetables, but why, oh why do they destroy the pizzas? And they're so stingy with toppings anyway that as another user said, you could only taste grease and salt. |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 17, 2018 8:28:22 GMT -5
I'm going to go on record and say that the Papa Johns Pizza I had in New York is easily the worst Pizza I ever had. And this after a night of extreme drinking and somehow that pizza was so crap, that all that alcohol couldn't hide how bad it tasted. You were in New York and Papa John's was the pizza you decided to have?! Should have gone for something more authentic  |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jul 17, 2018 8:30:21 GMT -5
Just remembered that the CEO of Little Caesars was quietly paying Rosa Parks' rent the last few years of her life. A tale of two drastically different pizza chains. Also, once in Harlem I was picking up a $5 Hot-and-Ready pizza at a packed Little Caesar's and, while waiting in line, George Michael's "Father Figure" came on and the whole place organically spontaneously began having a sing-along. Never experienced anything like that at dogshit Papa John's. Holy shit they opened a Giordanos in Detroit? I've got one less reason not to move back to the Detroit area from Chicago then. There's one in Minneapolis now too. Just giving you some moving options. I've heard good things about Minneapolis but all of my family is in metro Detroit I'll never hate on Little Caesars. Is it great pizza? No, but it is cheap and nostalgic for me. Plus the crazy bread and crazy sauce is as good as any side order of bread from any pizza place. |
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Post by Malcolm on Jul 17, 2018 9:11:33 GMT -5
I'm going to go on record and say that the Papa Johns Pizza I had in New York is easily the worst Pizza I ever had. And this after a night of extreme drinking and somehow that pizza was so crap, that all that alcohol couldn't hide how bad it tasted. You were in New York and Papa John's was the pizza you decided to have?! Well he did say he had a lot to drink... |
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