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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on May 29, 2019 1:10:38 GMT -5
Reviews are in. Mostly positive, though bizarrely a lot of complaints that there's too much time spent with Godzilla and not enough with the humans. I mean it could be a case of overcompensating in the wake of the reaction to the previous film. The thing is, very, very few Godzilla films have just been big Kaiju smash fests. They've almost always had the human element to them. The issue with Godzilla 2014 is that to many they leaned too much into that human element, and we barely got any Kaiju action. If the complaints of this are to be believed, then it seems they went the opposite way, too much Kaiju action, not enough time on the humans, so no one cares about the humans. Godzilla's human to Kaiju ratio is a balancing act.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on May 29, 2019 1:48:24 GMT -5
well i guess "mostly positive" is technically true, but 56% isn't anything to write home about
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 29, 2019 3:25:00 GMT -5
well i guess "mostly positive" is technically true, but 56% isn't anything to write home about True. Not seen many reviews saying it's a bad movie, just that there's really no substance to it.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 4:05:31 GMT -5
I'm kind of curious what happens if this movie doesn't do that well or ends up getting a poor reception, given they're rushing straight into the sequel next year. Sort of risking dragging down the success they had with reviving Kong if this doesn't work out.
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Post by arrogantmodel on May 29, 2019 4:13:12 GMT -5
The last movie told us we were getting Cranston and Godzilla, we barely got either. We got teased with monster fights two or three times, and then the filmmakers went, "Psych!"
Then when they did fight, it was dark as hell. I get special effects are expensive, but can we please get some broad daylight fights? Not at 3 am during a violent thunderstorm.
I am looking forward to this one, since I'm a sucker for giant monster movies. But same as with the Jurassic Park/World movies...seriously...f*** the humans. They're there to get destroyed and then possibly save the day. I want to see giant animals eat people and destroy cities. Not asking for the world here.
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Post by California Superstar on May 29, 2019 8:38:56 GMT -5
I understand story is important, but I don’t exactly go to see a Godzilla movie for the story.
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Post by salz4life on May 29, 2019 11:59:50 GMT -5
Wasn't this somehow connected to Kong: Skull Island and going to lead to Kong/Godzilla movie or am I dreaming that?
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 29, 2019 12:17:48 GMT -5
Wasn't this somehow connected to Kong: Skull Island and going to lead to Kong/Godzilla movie or am I dreaming that? Yes.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 29, 2019 12:58:24 GMT -5
Reviews are in. Mostly positive, though bizarrely a lot of complaints that there's too much time spent with Godzilla and not enough with the humans. I mean it could be a case of overcompensating in the wake of the reaction to the previous film. The thing is, very, very few Godzilla films have just been big Kaiju smash fests. They've almost always had the human element to them. The issue with Godzilla 2014 is that to many they leaned too much into that human element, and we barely got any Kaiju action. If the complaints of this are to be believed, then it seems they went the opposite way, too much Kaiju action, not enough time on the humans, so no one cares about the humans. Godzilla's human to Kaiju ratio is a balancing act. Yeah, it's like comparing Hulk to Incredible Hulk. Among many other things, people didn't like the Ang Lee film because there wasn't enough smashing. I was just watching the first Godzilla (American version with Raymond Burr) and I'm sure if it came out today people would have the same complaints. And now, I am thinking as a nod to the original, this timeline should have had a reporter named, say, "Will Ferrell" ;-)
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Post by Hit Girl on May 29, 2019 14:20:32 GMT -5
Godzilla 98
Still the best one
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on May 29, 2019 14:32:44 GMT -5
Oof, Jeremy Jahns wasn't much of a fan of it, either, so even some of critics who are more in line with general public tastes aren't exactly keen on it. He didn't hate it, but ultimately gave it his "more fun if I were drunk" rating.
There is a caveat with Jahns' review, though. By his own admission he's not a major Godzilla fan, only watched a few of the films growing up, and the 2014 film, which he actually loved, so please understand his comments are coming from that perspective.
And I just saw Chris Stuckmann's review of the film, and he also had a lot of issues with it, only he's the opposite of Jahns in terms of perspective, as Stuckmann's a huge Godzilla fan.
He echoed a lot of Jeremy's complaints, like how the humans are either just...there...or even worse say or do stupid things, and how despite there being a buffet of Kaiju on screen, it just somehow doesn't measure up to the sense of scale the 2014 film got across, and that overall the film isn't as beautiful looking, with weaker looking shot composition as a whole. Chris also expanded on some of the issues Jeremy had, particularly with regards to the human characters. He said, if you thought the humans sucked in the 2014 film, they somehow managed to top that and the humans were even worse in this film.
The more reviews I'm taking it, the more it really does actually seem like they overcompensated in the wake of all the online backlash towards the humans to Kaiju ratio in the previous film, and so they focused primarily on "GET ALL THE KAIJU ON SCREEN!!!" so much that they forgot, "Oh right...we need a story and humans to give out the exposition, don't we?" Like don't get me wrong, I freaking love Kaiju going around smashing shit, but I do kinda need to be somewhat invested in the humans too. It isn't an impossible thing to balance. Japan easily does it, and Pacific Rim showed that Hollywood can actually get that balance right too.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on May 29, 2019 15:33:49 GMT -5
Godzilla 98 Still the best one You don't know how much I disagree with this idea
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2019 15:42:38 GMT -5
As that saying goes...if ya can't please'em , nuke'm with your breath
Not enough Godzilla
Now not enough humans
Meh Godzilla gets to smash Ghidora for almost 2hrs I am more than happy with this
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on May 29, 2019 15:53:59 GMT -5
Ehhhhhhhhh. Besides Dr Serizawa from the original Godzilla movie I couldn't name a single human character or even remember much of the human plots in the original Godzilla films.Every plot element in them only amounted in introducing the origin and creation of Godzilla's new foe for the movie. If I'm going to see a ton of kaiju action and destruction, cool. If the human characters, like so many other Godzila films, are forgettable, whatever. Can't be any worse than military family guy from the last Godzilla film.
Too bad they killed off Cranston's character so quickly. I think he and Ken Wantanabe's characters could have had some solid scenes together and created a more interesting atmosphere. Kinda like Stark and Banner bouncing science stuff off one another while everyone else looks confused.
I'm not saying the film is going to be amazing or anything. Personally I'm here for the mind blowing visuals and seeing my favorite kaiju battle it out with today's advancement in technology.
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Post by brackus on May 29, 2019 16:44:10 GMT -5
Just came back from a preview. Loved it. Better than Godzilla 2014. Yes,it focuses much more on the kajiu action and less on the humans. The human plot is well enough and serves it purpose. I prefer the way they handeled the human plot more than boring G2014 or stupid Final Wars. The kajiu action is the best since GMK. Bradley Whitfords character was a bit cringeworthy.
I loved that they used Ikufubes classic scores several times.
Two thumbs & 3 Gidorahheads up from me.
BTW: After almost every moviecritic made himself look like an idiot by giving The last Jedi good reviews you should ignore them and make your own opinion
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Post by Rican on May 30, 2019 8:46:21 GMT -5
Probably gonna see this tomorrow night. Really excited about it.
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Post by EyeofTyr on May 30, 2019 9:57:26 GMT -5
I feel like it speaks to the niche audience of kaiju movies in a way I never really considered till this that anyone in that fandom I've seen mention it loves this movie and everyone outside of the bubble is like "But the humans though!"
I just always assumed people going to see a Godzilla movie would want to see, you know, Godzilla.
Makes me wonder if we ever got a Transformers movie closer to what the fandom wants what the general audience's reaction would be. "Where's my two hours of Shia and Megan Fox?"
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on May 30, 2019 13:55:05 GMT -5
Makes me wonder if we ever got a Transformers movie closer to what the fandom wants what the general audience's reaction would be. "Where's my two hours of Shia and Megan Fox?" "Hey, dawg, da problem wasn't not enough Transformers, ya mean? They had Transformer stuffed in dem jointz like a muthaf***a, G! Sheeeeeeit son, they showed more of da Transformers than you actually wanted to see, yo. Ain't not no problem with dem humans...except da one behind the camera. Errbody knew what da homies in da crowd wanted, which was more 'Formers based on ethnic and racial stereotypes, playa. But dat punk azz bitch Bay cut dat shit so he could focus on stuff like ignoring da series' established continuity, using 187 different cameras so the screen ratio keeps changing between shots, and explaining why its perfectly a'ight for a twenty-year-old ta tap dat seventeen-year-old ass. Well, I guess that last one was pretty kewl too. It was tasteful and classily done, but you know what weren't? Randomly switching between day and night! Yo, it ain't sixth grade science makin' a Transformers movie! Just givem racist robots hitting on underage teens in broad daylight. Ya feel me, dawg!"
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 14:50:39 GMT -5
Saw it yesterday, Loved it! tempted to go see it a second time!
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Post by prettynami on May 30, 2019 15:52:16 GMT -5
I dunno. When it comes to pacing the hot monster action and making it seem that much special without making the scenes between boring, its actually important to have sweet people sequences. It also has the effect of making the monsters seem more threatening if they, or something, threatens characters one can relate to (And despite the fact I've been watching Godzilla movies since I was in diapers I don't relate to Godzilla... much. Haha.). Thats why all the best ones (The original, Astro-Monster/Monster Zero, Godzilla vs The Thing, the original Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla, etc) have people scenes and characters that are great.
The biggest problem with the 2014 one wasn't the ratio of human/monster to me, a long time fan of the series. It was the fact that they killed off the interesting character and continued with a military character that was so bland and devoid of personality you didn't care what he did or what happened to him and those around him... And every other character in the movie but him seem to just appear in a scene to look at stuff. You need several central characters because they can't interact with the monsters in any meaningful way in most scenes, so they have to bounce off each other. That is why I think you need relationships like the one between Fuji and Glenn in Monster Zero where the drama can propel the movie and keep it interesting between monster appearances.
If the movie is all monsters it comes out like Godzilla Final Wars, which although fun in its own silly way, is by no means a good movie. The 2014 one reminded me of why I didn't like the bulk of the millennium series movies, which almost all had a main character who's mentor/parent died and years later were military people with no personality of their own, who sorta are just ultimately there, and have only a cursory relationship with a few one or two scene basically faceless secondary characters. Godzilla vs. Space Godzilla was the only movie that had the sorta "vengeful" soldier person thing sorta work because the soldier seeking vengeance on Godzilla for a fallen friend had the daughter of the actual dead dude to bounce of in scenes and flesh the character out.
Still, can't wait to watch the new one and see it for myself! I personally don't expect perfection, there are plenty of sub-par Godzilla movies so I won't hold it against it if its not the greatest thing since sliced bread. But I do think even if I enjoy it, its okay to critique it. It would be nice to get a truly GREAT Godzilla movie.
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