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Post by CMWaters on Mar 5, 2020 16:50:04 GMT -5
Icheb was really the only tolerable one of the group IMO. Rest were obnoxious. Though Trek and kid characters don't tend to mix well. It was something of a minor miracle that Naomi Wildman was likeable. Interesting timing on saying that, because Riker and Troi's daughter (named after Troi's deceased older sister) seemed pretty good in her role in this episode. |
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Post by The Captain on Mar 5, 2020 16:52:09 GMT -5
Speaking of Troi, I don't think there's a character I've liked way more in her other appearances (Voyager, the TNG movies) than in her original show (TNG) more than Troi. Marina Sirtis had some really good comedic timing and it showed in those more.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 5, 2020 16:52:28 GMT -5
On another note...a sign that the animated series is now canon: the Kzinti from the animated series episode "The Slaver Weapon" were mentioned. TAS is really only non-canon to Roddenberry, and as far as the movies go Paramount have honoured that, but to the best of my knowledge CBS have always adopted an "it's canon except where contradicted by something in live-action" approach. With ViacomCBS now fully owning Paramount again, I expect this will extend to the movies as well. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 5, 2020 16:54:12 GMT -5
Naomi was cool because for the most part she didn't give two shits about reaching Earth.
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 5, 2020 16:56:06 GMT -5
On another note...a sign that the animated series is now canon: the Kzinti from the animated series episode "The Slaver Weapon" were mentioned. TAS is really only non-canon to Roddenberry, and as far as the movies go Paramount have honoured that, but to the best of my knowledge CBS have always adopted an "it's canon except where contradicted by something in live-action" approach. With ViacomCBS now fully owning Paramount again, I expect this will extend to the movies as well. And even with the movies it's sorta iffy, as I THINK there was a member of M'Ress' species in the crowd during the "punishment" scene from Star Trek IV. |
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 5, 2020 16:57:15 GMT -5
Naomi was cool because for the most part she didn't give two shits about reaching Earth. Given how much Naomi was working with Seven in various tasks on Voyager, I suspect she probably would have been promoted above Harry if the series had gone to season 8. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 5, 2020 17:00:11 GMT -5
Interesting timing on saying that, because Riker and Troi's daughter (named after Troi's deceased older sister) seemed pretty good in her role in this episode. I was pleasantly surprised by how likeable she is. I'd probably get tired of her if she was a regular character, but if she pops up again every now and then alongside her folks, I'll be okay with it. Speaking of Troi, I don't think there's a character I've liked way more in her other appearances (Voyager, the TNG movies) than in her original show (TNG) more than Troi. Marina Sirtis had some really good comedic timing and it showed in those more. They really didn't know what the hell they wanted to do with Troi on the show. Roddenberry knew he wanted to recycle the Decker and Ilia characters wholesale from TMP for Riker and Troi, but that really was all he had. Speaking of Marina Sirtis, I recommend listening to the Star Trek: Insurrection commentary with her and Frakes. They're both an absolute delight in the way they make fun of it not being a particularly good movie. |
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Post by The Captain on Mar 5, 2020 17:04:48 GMT -5
Naomi ended up being a Starfleet commander in the Star Trek Online timeline and commanding officer of Space Station K-7 (of The Trouble With Tribbles fame). Though Kim was a captain in that timeline, so I'm guessing Starfleet Command was like "Why was this guy an ensign all these years?" TAS is really only non-canon to Roddenberry, and as far as the movies go Paramount have honoured that, but to the best of my knowledge CBS have always adopted an "it's canon except where contradicted by something in live-action" approach. With ViacomCBS now fully owning Paramount again, I expect this will extend to the movies as well. And even with the movies it's sorta iffy, as I THINK there was a member of M'Ress' species in the crowd during the "punishment" scene from Star Trek IV. Yeah, Caitians are canon. Kirk also had a fling with a couple of them in the Kelvin timeline movies. Spock's home city of ShiKahr and the physical appearance of sehlats are also things brought into the live action from TAS. I think these days TAS is considered largely canon unless directly contradicted by the live action stuff. |
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 5, 2020 17:12:25 GMT -5
Naomi ended up being a Starfleet commander in the Star Trek Online timeline and commanding officer of Space Station K-7 (of The Trouble With Tribbles fame). Though Kim was a captain in that timeline, so I'm guessing Starfleet Command was like "Why was this guy an ensign all these years?" And even with the movies it's sorta iffy, as I THINK there was a member of M'Ress' species in the crowd during the "punishment" scene from Star Trek IV. Yeah, Caitians are canon. Kirk also had a fling with a couple of them in the Kelvin timeline movies. Spock's home city of ShiKahr and the physical appearance of sehlats are also things brought into the live action from TAS. I think these days TAS is considered largely canon unless directly contradicted by the live action stuff. What's amusing is that in the DS9 episode Trials and Tribble-Ations, Jadzia mentions that Koloth regretted never facing Kirk in battle, which seem to suggest the animated series episode where they faced off didn't happen. However given that episode involved him eventually being covered in little tribbles after blowing up a big one, you can probably just interpret it was Koloth being so embarrassed by the whole encounter that he just pretended it never happened for the rest of his life. |
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 5, 2020 17:13:46 GMT -5
Naomi ended up being a Starfleet commander in the Star Trek Online timeline and commanding officer of Space Station K-7 (of The Trouble With Tribbles fame). Though Kim was a captain in that timeline, so I'm guessing Starfleet Command was like "Why was this guy an ensign all these years?" Yeah, Caitians are canon. Kirk also had a fling with a couple of them in the Kelvin timeline movies. Spock's home city of ShiKahr and the physical appearance of sehlats are also things brought into the live action from TAS. I think these days TAS is considered largely canon unless directly contradicted by the live action stuff. What's amusing is that in the DS9 episode Trials and Tribble-Ations, Jadzia mentions that Koloth regretted never facing Kirk in battle, which seem to suggest the animated series episode where they faced off didn't happen. However given that episode involved him eventually being covered in little tribbles after blowing up a big one, you can probably just interpret it was Koloth being so embarrassed by the whole encounter that he just pretended it never happened for the rest of his life. That's how Star Trek reviewer SF Debris sees it, at the very least. |
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Mar 5, 2020 19:57:18 GMT -5
I wstched until ep 3. Havent seen any since.
Does it get better? Because those 3 were dull, ive had no desire to watch the others.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 5, 2020 21:43:29 GMT -5
I wstched until ep 3. Havent seen any since. Does it get better? Because those 3 were dull, ive had no desire to watch the others. The fourth episode is kinda more of the same, in the sense that it's the last episode that spends time setting things up and introducing new characters. Fifth and sixth episodes are really solid with some great individual scenes (though Narek, Rizzo, and Soji are still dull) but ultimately whether you want to continue or not is whether you're down with "new" Trek. |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Mar 5, 2020 22:09:11 GMT -5
Yeah, Caitians are canon. Kirk also had a fling with a couple of them in the Kelvin timeline movies. Spock's home city of ShiKahr and the physical appearance of sehlats are also things brought into the live action from TAS. I think these days TAS is considered largely canon unless directly contradicted by the live action stuff. I always had a pet theory that The Animated Series were in-universe fictional adaptations of some of the Enterprise's journeys loosely based on logs and records of real adventures that Kirk and company had. You know, like historical Holo-Novels for children. They could have happened in some fashion, but you can explain away any contradictions in them with later Trek canon by stating things had to be altered due to security concerns, faulty memories, lost records, or just because the person adapting it thought the change would make for a more interesting story. |
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 5, 2020 22:10:57 GMT -5
Yeah, Caitians are canon. Kirk also had a fling with a couple of them in the Kelvin timeline movies. Spock's home city of ShiKahr and the physical appearance of sehlats are also things brought into the live action from TAS. I think these days TAS is considered largely canon unless directly contradicted by the live action stuff. I always had a pet theory that The Animated Series were in-universe fictional adaptations of some of the Enterprise's journeys loosely based on logs and records of real adventures that Kirk and company had. You know, like historical Holo-Novels for children. They could have happened in some fashion, but you can explain away any contradictions in them with later Trek canon by stating things had to be altered due to security concerns, faulty memories, lost records, or just because the person adapting it thought the change would make for a more interesting story. See also: the Short Trek "Ephraim and Dot" |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 8, 2020 7:32:11 GMT -5
Just got done with the prequel novel, Last Best Hope, which follows Picard from the beginning of the refugee crisis and ends at his resignation from Starfleet. It's a bit of a slog, if I'm honest (shockingly, a novel about the political wranglings behind a relief mission is a dry read), but does flesh out a few of the show's secondary characters and provides a few interesting details: {Spoiler}- Worf succeeds Picard as captain of the Enterprise. Whether he is still captain during the timeline of the show is left in doubt, as the most vocal opponent to his promotion in the novel becomes the CIC of Starfleet at the end of the novel (as she is in the show) and the epilogue states that she "moved some people on."
- B4 is already deactivated and disassembled by the time the story begins, suggesting the transfer from Data in Nemesis effectively "killed" him.
- Geordi transfers from the Enterprise to take control of the Mars shipyard, and narrowly avoids the synth attack, but suffers survivor's guilt after denying a friend's request to supervise Bruce Maddox and sending them back to Mars.
- Spock is looked at with contempt by most Romulans for his attempts at reunification. He makes a brief appearance, communicating with Picard as he leaves Romulus to return to Vulcan.
- The Romulan political and military classes on Romulus suppress all information about the supernova, abandoning most of its regular citizens on the home planet and the nearby systems.
- The Tal Shiar commit a massacre at Paradise City on Nimbus III, which has at this point been abandoned by the Federation and Klingon governments.
- It's strongly hinted that the supernova is artificially-induced. |
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Mar 19, 2020 22:20:45 GMT -5
Uh, so after watching Episode 9, {Spoiler} the Romulans kinda have a point. |
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 26, 2020 8:35:59 GMT -5
I don't know what people think about the majority of the season 1 finale after watching it, but I will say this... {Spoiler}The final death of Data scene got to me, being a fan of the character. Yes it may be slightly weird for the computer program to represent where it was, but we had the Q Continuum represented in different ways so why not this?
Though I will admit that at first, before showing it was a representation of Picard, I thought Data's last visitor was gonna be Tasha Yar inviting him to the afterlife. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 26, 2020 10:14:56 GMT -5
I don't know what people think about the majority of the season 1 finale after watching it, but I will say this... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The final death of Data scene got to me, being a fan of the character. Yes it may be slightly weird for the computer program to represent where it was, but we had the Q Continuum represented in different ways so why not this?
Though I will admit that at first, before showing it was a representation of Picard, I thought Data's last visitor was gonna be Tasha Yar inviting him to the afterlife. I enjoyed it. Some of it was quite predictable: {Spoiler}In particular, Picard dying and having his consciousness transferred into the golem, and Riker showing up at the head of the fleet; those points were foreshadowed with all the subtlety of a dump truck. Also {Spoiler}another sky beam/portal is a trope that was lazy AF five years ago, and not helped by the synthetic tentacle things looking cheap as hell. Still, for the most part I think they stuck the landing. The show started off really slow, and definitely felt a bit padded out in places, but I'm looking forward to seeing where they go with the next couple of seasons. But for the love of god, someone call John de Lancie. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 26, 2020 12:13:12 GMT -5
Satisfying, but imbalanced, finale to a satisfying but imbalanced season. Overall I’d probably give the season a 7, hit the nice nostalgia spots without over doing it, told a decent story, every character had an arc and purpose for being there. Not a lot of complaints, just very up and down.
Also, is it just me or did half of Picard’s crew get away with blatant murder this season?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 26, 2020 12:36:40 GMT -5
Satisfying, but imbalanced, finale to a satisfying but imbalanced season. Overall I’d probably give the season a 7, hit the nice nostalgia spots without over doing it, told a decent story, every character had an arc and purpose for being there. Not a lot of complaints, just very up and down. I'd say that's about right. When it got stuff right, it got it really right, and when they didn't... well, it gave us a few too many Narissa and Narek scenes, and Jurati's inconsistent writing. |
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