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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 9, 2021 17:05:13 GMT -5
The Borg should never have been seen in Trek after The Best of Both Worlds.
It's one of the reasons why the Cardassians were developed, because the Borg were not an enemy that could be used frequently.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 9, 2021 23:42:52 GMT -5
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Sept 9, 2021 23:53:05 GMT -5
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 10, 2021 2:13:32 GMT -5
Picard ended with the card game.
Since then, the character has simply not existed. The TNG films were retrograde and this is just.......oh dear.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Sept 10, 2021 7:49:08 GMT -5
So Q changed the timeline to turn Earth into a totalitarian, Nazi-esque future just as part of his trial/"humans aren't as enlightened as they think" crap? That seems a bit over the top, even for Q.
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Post by thechase on Sept 10, 2021 9:01:42 GMT -5
Umbrella title: Second Contact
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 10, 2021 9:36:25 GMT -5
So Q changed the timeline to turn Earth into a totalitarian, Nazi-esque future just as part of his trial/"humans aren't as enlightened as they think" crap? That seems a bit over the top, even for Q. It's sad when you consider how beautifully that story arc ended in All Good Things. Picard showed Q the potential of humanity by simply expanding his mind and considering new ideas. It was an intellectual challenge that Picard passed. |
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Post by grunt on Sept 10, 2021 10:29:09 GMT -5
The issue, here, is that it will likely be a "it was just a dream" season that won't matter in the slightest. It's just another test from Q, everything will be back to normal at the end, which is fine for a 40 mins episode, but not to build an entire season upon.
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Post by Hurbster on Sept 10, 2021 16:11:18 GMT -5
Lol.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 6, 2022 19:24:07 GMT -5
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Post by The Captain on Jan 6, 2022 21:50:00 GMT -5
Yikes.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 6, 2022 23:38:06 GMT -5
Coronavirus? Or the Tarkalean Flu? You decide!
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Post by thechase on Jan 18, 2022 16:42:33 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 17:10:01 GMT -5
Oh dear, what are they doing to Star Trek!? I haven't checked out Picard out of fears they would do exactly what they're doing. I will never understand why writers feel inserting the hostilities of the real world into a show that people watch to escape from the realities of the real world. They did this with Enterprise as well and in the long run, it probably helped contribute to its cancelation. There's ways to make a show dark without making it appear bleak, DS9 was a perfect example of this, which is why it is beloved. The Borg should never have been seen in Trek after The Best of Both Worlds. I have to disagree. I don't have a problem with the Borg showing back up a few times, specifically for I, Borg...but once Voyager made the Borg out to be just a minor inconvenience rather than a serious threat, then I definitely agree. |
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Post by The Captain on Jan 18, 2022 17:14:51 GMT -5
Yes, how dare a Star Trek show do something that the series has done since the 1960's.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 18, 2022 17:19:00 GMT -5
Yes, how dare a Star Trek show do something that the series has done since the 1960's. There's a difference between doing something usually done, and doing it badly. Oh dear, what are they doing to Star Trek!? I haven't checked out Picard out of fears they would do exactly what they're doing. I will never understand why writers feel inserting the hostilities of the real world into a show that people watch to escape from the realities of the real world.. Alan Moore once made a comment on this, that American writers are too timid to directly address domestic poltical, social and economic issues, so they will inject those themes into other stories like they did with V For Vendetta, which was originally a commentary about anarchism and Thatcherite Britain, but was converted into a commentary on the war on terrorism in America. Often these shoehorned commentaries are so diluted and disguised, they lose any meaning anyway. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 18, 2022 17:25:01 GMT -5
Oh dear, what are they doing to Star Trek!? I haven't checked out Picard out of fears they would do exactly what they're doing. I will never understand why writers feel inserting the hostilities of the real world into a show that people watch to escape from the realities of the real world. They did this with Enterprise as well and in the long run, it probably helped contribute to its cancelation. There's ways to make a show dark without making it appear bleak, DS9 was a perfect example of this, which is why it is beloved. They've always done that. Granted, most of the time they've not been quite so on-the-nose about it, but socio-political commentary has been a Trek staple virtually from the get go. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2022 17:33:05 GMT -5
They've always done that. Granted, most of the time they've not been quite so on-the-nose about it, but socio-political commentary has been a Trek staple virtually from the get go. I may not have explained it as well as I could have. Yes, there have been social commentaries given from the beginning, but it's usually been from the perception of an alien race, usually it's shown that Earth has moved on from certain perceptions, especially in the 60's show. At the end of the day, the presentation was always that the future was going to be a positive environmental change. I know there isn't a lot of drama to be wrung from that concept, but they avoided giving the show a dark tone. And like I said, there isn't anything wrong with dark, but I think Star Trek shouldn't be a bleak dystopian nightmare world. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 18, 2022 17:36:04 GMT -5
Oh dear, what are they doing to Star Trek!? I haven't checked out Picard out of fears they would do exactly what they're doing. I will never understand why writers feel inserting the hostilities of the real world into a show that people watch to escape from the realities of the real world. They did this with Enterprise as well and in the long run, it probably helped contribute to its cancelation. There's ways to make a show dark without making it appear bleak, DS9 was a perfect example of this, which is why it is beloved. They've always done that. Granted, most of the time they've not been quite so on-the-nose about it, but socio-political commentary has been a Trek staple virtually from the get go. Vietnam War and racism in the Original series. PTSD and LGBTQ (very badly) in TNG. Star Trek was stated in Gene Roddenberry pitch to be a way to tell stories about contemporary issues in a way that is easier for people to accept. Now I a not a fan of the current writers but if things feel too on the nose these days just look at the people they are commenting on. Some of them actually believe stuff that would be seen an unbelievable on a TV show. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 18, 2022 17:46:49 GMT -5
At the end of the day, the presentation was always that the future was going to be a positive environmental change. I know there isn't a lot of drama to be wrung from that concept, but they avoided giving the show a dark tone. And like I said, there isn't anything wrong with dark, but I think Star Trek shouldn't be a bleak dystopian nightmare world. I think there's room for stories that can dip into the bleaker side of things, as long as it's not overdone. Discovery has been oppressively bleak a good amount of the time and Picard is definitely following the trend, but everything I've read about Strange New Worlds suggests it is going to be something of a palette cleanser, especially if the animated shows don't do anything for you. |
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