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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Apr 7, 2022 0:29:38 GMT -5
And you know I sorta do want the old band back together thing because I honestly felt the episode on Riker's bungalo planet was one of the better episodes of Picard season one because Picard himself felt the most... Picardish? When he was interacting with Will and Diana it just felt... right? I dunno. I'd watch an entire show of the old crew hanging out in a garden, drinking Château Picard while Riker makes pizza. And everybody tells Wesley to STFU. That cast has such incredible chemistry on screen and off that yeah, I’d probably watch a show where they just talked about stuff. I love the TNG crew that much. Lol
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Post by grunt on Apr 7, 2022 12:18:26 GMT -5
Honestly have no real hope for a "proper send-off to TNG" from Picard, given season 2 is just as bad as season 1 (albeit in a different way), but as usual, I'll prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
(also, it bears repeating, but the twitter pic above just highlights it again and again : at some point, starting with the Abrams/Kurtzman/Orci movies but really becoming obvious with Disco, the Trek makeup teams have apparently forgotten how to make their work look like living, breathing tissue, and not a mess of fake, rubbery latex with rough paint-jobs)
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Post by The Captain on Apr 7, 2022 13:12:46 GMT -5
The new Klingon designs between the Kelvin timeline and Discovery feels like it crossed the uncanny valley. Which is a weird thing to say about makeup but yeah. Granted, I'm sure a lot of people who grew up with TOS felt the similarly about the change from "Humans with thicker eyebrows" to what was introduced in The Motion Picture. But we've had this status quo for the Klingon look for 4+ series and 10 movies as opposed to just one show and an animated show that didn't run very long. At least Lower Decks has more "traditional" looking Klingons, though.
I guess you could always blame Disocvery's Klingons looking weird and then slowly reverting back to the ones we know and love as an unforeseen mutation of the augment virus.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 7, 2022 14:12:14 GMT -5
They missed the most obvious solution too.
It's the Klingon empire.
Just have the different looks be different races. They just all call themselves Klingons and in have segregated units so crews only meet 1 kind at a Time.
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Post by The Captain on Apr 7, 2022 14:39:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure that would've worked since Discovery established that look for several of the named High Houses of the Klingon Empire, including previously established ones like Kor and Mo'kai.
Though that is one of the amusing quirks about Trek's world-building in that you rarely see any of the client species of the Klingons or Romulans or other great powers of the galaxy. Though STO did address this by having a bunch of playable races as part of the Klingon Empire like the Orions, Gorn, and Nausicaans.
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Post by Ryushinku on Apr 7, 2022 16:46:30 GMT -5
I sorta want to see Worf with the new horrifying Klingon look just for the laughs though. Given that Dorn has repeatedly stated how much he's always hated the Worf prosthetics every bit as much as he loved playing the character and has been quite critical of just how heavy and limiting the Discovery prosthetics were, I very much doubt he'd be willing to come back if they intended to change how Worf looks. "Nice balaclava, Mr Worf." "Thank you, Captain." Matalas and Blass taking over as Picard's showrunners was such a 180 for the show in terms of quality. Love that they brought Okuda back, too. He's truly Outrageous.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 8, 2022 4:16:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure that would've worked since Discovery established that look for several of the named High Houses of the Klingon Empire, including previously established ones like Kor and Mo'kai. Though that is one of the amusing quirks about Trek's world-building in that you rarely see any of the client species of the Klingons or Romulans or other great powers of the galaxy. Though STO did address this by having a bunch of playable races as part of the Klingon Empire like the Orions, Gorn, and Nausicaans. I mean back when they first changed makeup for the movie. DS9 already made that explanation impossible when they brought back TOS Klingons in the new makeup. Pretty much any in universe explanation is tying yourself in knots around Canon, one of those things the hard-core fans had to do that most people didn't care about.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 21, 2022 22:55:17 GMT -5
So, this season isn’t bad but it really feels like a 2 hour movie stretched into 10 hours of television. First Contact told this story considerably better
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 21, 2022 23:39:36 GMT -5
So, this season isn’t bad but it really feels like a 2 hour movie stretched into 10 hours of television. First Contact told this story considerably better It's good, but there's definitely a lot of filler. They could probably tell this story in six episodes. {Spoiler}Also, I really don't like that they've decided to have Q be dying.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Apr 22, 2022 12:08:39 GMT -5
They missed the most obvious solution too. It's the Klingon empire. Just have the different looks be different races. They just all call themselves Klingons and in have segregated units so crews only meet 1 kind at a Time. I know that the strategy games definitely state that to be the case. Granted, there was a definite hierarchy so the Klingons from Q'onos will almost always have dominance over the other races.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 22, 2022 12:11:12 GMT -5
So, this season isn’t bad but it really feels like a 2 hour movie stretched into 10 hours of television. First Contact told this story considerably better It's good, but there's definitely a lot of filler. They could probably tell this story in six episodes. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Also, I really don't like that they've decided to have Q be dying. On the spoiler, I haven't seen the latest one but thought what the hell so clicked it anyway. So the direction they'er going with that is, well, what I assume everyone guessed by episode 2, in the top 3 answers at least. Did they need to drag out a revelation this long? I'm liking the story, I'm really liking the characters, but yeah, this has been dragged out quite a bit.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Apr 25, 2022 8:34:01 GMT -5
So, this season isn’t bad but it really feels like a 2 hour movie stretched into 10 hours of television. First Contact told this story considerably better It's good, but there's definitely a lot of filler. They could probably tell this story in six episodes. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Also, I really don't like that they've decided to have Q be dying. I don't have Paramount + so I have not been watching the series. Having said that, regarding the spoiler it isn't that hard to explain it canonically. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Q has had his psyche affected by the Q that wished to die. He came to understand the mindset and has, in some way, come to embrace it. He's had it reinforced by witnessing the creeping mortality of his favorite mortal, Picard.
In short, I'm sure that it will be shown that the reason he is dying is that his own subconscious is using the power of Q to kill himself. He may, in the end, even look forward to experiencing something so exquisitely mortal.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 25, 2022 9:55:13 GMT -5
It's good, but there's definitely a lot of filler. They could probably tell this story in six episodes. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Also, I really don't like that they've decided to have Q be dying. I don't have Paramount + so I have not been watching the series. Having said that, regarding the spoiler it isn't that hard to explain it canonically. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Q has had his psyche affected by the Q that wished to die. He came to understand the mindset and has, in some way, come to embrace it. He's had it reinforced by witnessing the creeping mortality of his favorite mortal, Picard.
In short, I'm sure that it will be shown that the reason he is dying is that his own subconscious is using the power of Q to kill himself. He may, in the end, even look forward to experiencing something so exquisitely mortal. They address that last point {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Basically, at first he was excited to be able to die. But it's taking so long, and he's gradually losing things, fading away, it's basically crap and boring in actuality.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 29, 2022 23:18:06 GMT -5
You can definitely tell the writing team split halfway through the season and the B-team has handled the second half. Really feels like it's stumbling towards the finish line, and I hope the A-team really have something up their sleeves for Season 3 TNG Season 8. Predictions for the finale: {Spoiler}- Rios changes his mind and stays in the past - Tallinn is the "Renée that must die" that allows Renée to live - Elnor stays dead - Soong gets away - The Borg Queen from the first episode is Jurati (though that's been pretty much clear since the third episode)
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 2, 2022 15:35:18 GMT -5
You can definitely tell the writing team split halfway through the season and the B-team has handled the second half. Really feels like it's stumbling towards the finish line, and I hope the A-team really have something up their sleeves for Season 3 TNG Season 8. Predictions for the finale: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}- Rios changes his mind and stays in the past - Tallinn is the "Renée that must die" that allows Renée to live - Elnor stays dead - Soong gets away - The Borg Queen from the first episode is Jurati (though that's been pretty much clear since the third episode) ; {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Wow, and I thought Voyager neutered the Borg, so the Queen was just sad and lonely the whole time, and if someone said they should assimilate nicely we could have avoided all this misunderstanding.
I need to watch Q Who again. See an implacable, unknowable threat
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Post by CMWaters on May 5, 2022 4:09:26 GMT -5
You can definitely tell the writing team split halfway through the season and the B-team has handled the second half. Really feels like it's stumbling towards the finish line, and I hope the A-team really have something up their sleeves for Season 3 TNG Season 8. Predictions for the finale: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}- Rios changes his mind and stays in the past - Tallinn is the "Renée that must die" that allows Renée to live - Elnor stays dead - Soong gets away - The Borg Queen from the first episode is Jurati (though that's been pretty much clear since the third episode) Well... {Spoiler}3 out of 4 as Elnor returned. And Soong had to get away for Enterprise's Soong to be a thing.
Did not expect Wesley to make an appearance though.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 5, 2022 4:14:41 GMT -5
{Spoiler}3 out of 4 as Elnor returned. And Soong had to get away for Enterprise's Soong to be a thing.
Did not expect Wesley to make an appearance though. {Spoiler}Yeah, Wesley was a big surprise, and I didn't hate it.
All in all, I liked the episode. Actually got choked up when Q and Picard hugged. I still don't like that they've killed off Q, but I suppose a good send-off is better than none at all.
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Post by CMWaters on May 5, 2022 5:08:44 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}3 out of 4 as Elnor returned. And Soong had to get away for Enterprise's Soong to be a thing.
Did not expect Wesley to make an appearance though. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Yeah, Wesley was a big surprise, and I didn't hate it.
All in all, I liked the episode. Actually got choked up when Q and Picard hugged. I still don't like that they've killed off Q, but I suppose a good send-off is better than none at all. {Spoiler}Q didn't die. He was just reborn in an alternate universe where horses were the primary life form instead of humanoids. Though I do wonder...Q was dying alone before he brought Picard along for that mission...what happened to Q Jr.?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 5, 2022 5:26:14 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Though I do wonder...Q was dying alone before he brought Picard along for that mission...what happened to Q Jr.? {Spoiler}Q was never the most popular member of the continuum. It's not hard to imagine he and Jr. had a falling out. If one wanted to make it all the more dark, Jr. could be the one behind Q's dying.
IRL, we just don't talk about Q Jr., who seemingly only existed to give de Lancie a chance to act with his son.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 5, 2022 21:00:25 GMT -5
Overall I think the season was decent. Great opening few episodes, solid finale (extra points awarded for the reprise of the First Contact theme), but a very saggy middle that could have been trimmed down to about two episodes.
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