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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 6, 2022 10:10:53 GMT -5
Overall I think the season was decent. Great opening few episodes, solid finale (extra points awarded for the reprise of the First Contact theme), but a very saggy middle that could have been trimmed down to about two episodes. Kinda where I’m at, nowhere near as bad as a lot are claiming, but not perfect by any means. Midsection felt like a weird First Contact rehash, probably could’ve done more with Q, but I like where the season ended up at and tho it’s been a while since I watched season 1 I felt this was a better overall season |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 6, 2022 10:22:10 GMT -5
Overall I think the season was decent. Great opening few episodes, solid finale (extra points awarded for the reprise of the First Contact theme), but a very saggy middle that could have been trimmed down to about two episodes. Kinda where I’m at, nowhere near as bad as a lot are claiming, but not perfect by any means. Midsection felt like a weird First Contact rehash, probably could’ve done more with Q, but I like where the season ended up at and tho it’s been a while since I watched season 1 I felt this was a better overall season Same. I probably like it a bit more than the both of you do but I can see where people didn’t but I definitely felt like there was more direction than in Season 1. The finale was surprisingly touching. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 6, 2022 10:25:34 GMT -5
Kinda where I’m at, nowhere near as bad as a lot are claiming, but not perfect by any means. Midsection felt like a weird First Contact rehash, probably could’ve done more with Q, but I like where the season ended up at and tho it’s been a while since I watched season 1 I felt this was a better overall season Same. I probably like it a bit more than the both of you do but I can see where people didn’t but I definitely felt like there was more direction than in Season 1. The finale was surprisingly touching. The finale hit me right in the feels a few times. Openly crying at a certain hug moment, actually that whole scene in general. But Kevin Smith might be the only dude who cries at geek moments more then I do, so not the best barometer. Season started strong, ended strong, lagged in the middle quite a bit. Feels like they stretched out 6-7 episodes of ideas in to 10 EDIT: {Spoiler} Holy shit, I did love the concept of the new Agnes run Borg. Borg with a conscience working to better the universe not just the collective is a very interesting concept I hope we see more of |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 6, 2022 10:31:28 GMT -5
Same. I probably like it a bit more than the both of you do but I can see where people didn’t but I definitely felt like there was more direction than in Season 1. The finale was surprisingly touching. The finale hit me right in the feels a few times. Openly crying at a certain hug moment, actually that whole scene in general. But Kevin Smith might be the only dude who cries at geek moments more then I do, so not the best barometer. Season started strong, ended strong, lagged in the middle quite a bit. Feels like they stretched out 6-7 episodes of ideas in to 10 EDIT: {Spoiler}{Spoiler} Holy shit, I did love the concept of the new Agnes run Borg. Borg with a conscience working to better the universe not just the collective is a very interesting concept I hope we see more of I can agree with that. Cut down a couple of filler episodes and you have a consistent season. Probably my favorite new Trek thing not named Lower Decks until I catch up with other stuff (Thanks Paramount, by the way, for making that harder than it should be). To your other point… {Spoiler}Same, it feels like the most logical direction to go because, honestly, you’ve done everything you can with them. Like, worst thing they could be is like the Darleks or the Cybermen where you wheel them out for new people to face them like in Doctor Who. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 6, 2022 10:35:48 GMT -5
The finale hit me right in the feels a few times. Openly crying at a certain hug moment, actually that whole scene in general. But Kevin Smith might be the only dude who cries at geek moments more then I do, so not the best barometer. Season started strong, ended strong, lagged in the middle quite a bit. Feels like they stretched out 6-7 episodes of ideas in to 10 EDIT: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Holy shit, I did love the concept of the new Agnes run Borg. Borg with a conscience working to better the universe not just the collective is a very interesting concept I hope we see more of I can agree with that. Cut down a couple of filler episodes and you have a consistent season. Probably my favorite new Trek thing not named Lower Decks until I catch up with other stuff (Thanks Paramount, by the way, for making that harder than it should be). To your other point… {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Same, it feels like the most logical direction to go because, honestly, you’ve done everything you can with them. Like, worst thing they could be is like the Darleks or the Cybermen where you wheel them out for new people to face them like in Doctor Who. Haven’t watched season 2 of Lower Decks yet, but Strange New Worlds is easily the best of the Disco era stuff I’ve seen and it’s only one episode in. I loved that premiere so much. |
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Post by CMWaters on May 6, 2022 10:52:40 GMT -5
I heard Prodigy is pretty good too, as long as you realize it is made for a younger audience. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Thinking about this season of Picard, I think I saw an unintentional (or maybe intentional but understated) theme of this season: acceptance.
-Q had to accept that he was dying, and found a way to make sure he wasn't alone.
-Picard had to accept his past, not take blame, and learn how to accept someone get close.
-Seven had to again accept her Borg past by the end, and her relationship with Raffi
-Raffi had to accept Elnor's death wasn't her fault, and her relationship with Seven
-Rios had to accept he felt he was out of his time, and make a change in that path
-Rene had to accept her destiny for the Europa mission.
-Soong's failure to accept caused him to lose everything and have to change his path in life
-Young Guinan accepting that, while they may stumble, humanity is worth not giving up on.
-Borg Queen accepting that the way things had been done was not working, and maybe it was time for something different
-Agnes accepting a way to end her outsider feeling and work to something better for herself and in return, a species
I may be overthinking things a bit, but that's how I saw it looking back. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 6, 2022 10:55:27 GMT -5
I heard Prodigy is pretty good too, as long as you realize it is made for a younger audience. Prodigy is basically Star Trek for Beginners and it does the job way better than it has any right to. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 6, 2022 11:40:31 GMT -5
I can agree with that. Cut down a couple of filler episodes and you have a consistent season. I think this season probably works better as a binge watch. Narratively it's closer to a movie than a TV show, so should probably be viewed in the same way. The season's biggest issue was clearly the dividing of the writing team halfway through. The start and the end were clearly written first, and the middle filled in later. Given how satisfying the first few episodes and the last episode are, {Spoiler}and with at least two fewer cast members to find screen time for I'm hopeful that what amounts to TNG Season 8 will deliver a consistent story from start to finish. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 6, 2022 11:42:00 GMT -5
I heard Prodigy is pretty good too, as long as you realize it is made for a younger audience. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Thinking about this season of Picard, I think I saw an unintentional (or maybe intentional but understated) theme of this season: acceptance.
-Q had to accept that he was dying, and found a way to make sure he wasn't alone.
-Picard had to accept his past, not take blame, and learn how to accept someone get close.
-Seven had to again accept her Borg past by the end, and her relationship with Raffi
-Raffi had to accept Elnor's death wasn't her fault, and her relationship with Seven
-Rios had to accept he felt he was out of his time, and make a change in that path
-Rene had to accept her destiny for the Europa mission.
-Soong's failure to accept caused him to lose everything and have to change his path in life
-Young Guinan accepting that, while they may stumble, humanity is worth not giving up on.
-Borg Queen accepting that the way things had been done was not working, and maybe it was time for something different
-Agnes accepting a way to end her outsider feeling and work to something better for herself and in return, a species
I may be overthinking things a bit, but that's how I saw it looking back. Holy shit, everything in your spoiler tag is incredibly on point. |
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Post by CMWaters on May 6, 2022 11:56:05 GMT -5
I heard Prodigy is pretty good too, as long as you realize it is made for a younger audience. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Thinking about this season of Picard, I think I saw an unintentional (or maybe intentional but understated) theme of this season: acceptance.
-Q had to accept that he was dying, and found a way to make sure he wasn't alone.
-Picard had to accept his past, not take blame, and learn how to accept someone get close.
-Seven had to again accept her Borg past by the end, and her relationship with Raffi
-Raffi had to accept Elnor's death wasn't her fault, and her relationship with Seven
-Rios had to accept he felt he was out of his time, and make a change in that path
-Rene had to accept her destiny for the Europa mission.
-Soong's failure to accept caused him to lose everything and have to change his path in life
-Young Guinan accepting that, while they may stumble, humanity is worth not giving up on.
-Borg Queen accepting that the way things had been done was not working, and maybe it was time for something different
-Agnes accepting a way to end her outsider feeling and work to something better for herself and in return, a species
I may be overthinking things a bit, but that's how I saw it looking back. Holy shit, everything in your spoiler tag is incredibly on point. I try. {Spoiler}There's also the FBI agent guy accepting that his thoughts about what happened in his childhood were wrong, though that was a minor detour in the whole thing. |
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Post by thechase on May 6, 2022 14:49:23 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 8, 2022 17:23:26 GMT -5
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Post by CMWaters on May 8, 2022 17:31:18 GMT -5
Knew about Jurati not returning.
Elnor I guess is doing his Academy stuff now.
Rios...well, obvious why he's back.
Soji/Kore and Wesley they said won't be back for Picard...but there is always the door open for other spin offs.
Still, majority TNG cast, plus Seven and Raffi is a full enough crew as it is (Jeri Ryan talked about wrapping filming so I'm assuming Seven at the very least has a part in this).
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 8, 2022 17:48:46 GMT -5
Knew about Jurati not returning. Elnor I guess is doing his Academy stuff now. Rios...well, obvious why he's back. Soji/Kore and Wesley they said won't be back for Picard...but there is always the door open for other spin offs. Still, majority TNG cast, plus Seven and Raffi is a full enough crew as it is (Jeri Ryan talked about wrapping filming so I'm assuming Seven at the very least has a part in this). Stewart and Matalas have said all along the TNG cast aren't returning for cameo roles, so it was inevitable that some characters would have to be cut to make room. Given how little Briones and Evagora were used in season 2 it's pretty obvious that the change in creative leadership didn't work in their favour. The general fan reaction to their characters hasn't been great either, even amongst those who like the show, so there's that, too. I wouldn't mind seeing Wesley and Kore appear elsewhere, perhaps in Discovery, since I feel like Paramount want to keep Strange New Worlds as its own thing. I think we'll probably see a spinoff from Picard though. Rios was the obvious choice, but that's obviously not gonna happen, and Jeri Ryan doesn't seem too interested in committing to a long-term return. Perhaps we'll finally have that Starfleet Academy show/movie that gets suggested every five years or so? Raffi and her crew of cadets. I'm 100% certain we'll see the Enterprise-F. There's no way you can do "one last ride" for the TNG crew and it not be on a ship named Enterprise. |
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Post by CMWaters on May 8, 2022 17:56:46 GMT -5
I'm 100% certain we'll see the Enterprise-F. There's no way you can do "one last ride" for the TNG crew and it not be on a ship named Enterprise. Question is, if we do get it, who will be in charge? Worf is the popular choice (given we don't have the Countdown comics timeline of Data coming back in B4's body to Captain the Enterprise), but I could see them playing off things with Seven's field commission she got at the end of season 2 (unless she takes Stargazer now that Rios changed his destiny). Yeah, Riker could take it, but he's had a couple of ships of his own after Enterprise (Titan and...the one from the end of Season 1 who I forget). Geordi has also been seen as a captain in one future, but that was a different ship too. EDIT: Also...Discovery is one option for Wesley and Kore...but since time and space are apparently malleable for what Wesley is now, I think it could be interesting to see them pop up (voice only, obviously) on Prodigy. I mean, Gates McFadden did at least one new line of dialogue for the Kobayashi Maru episode. |
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Post by The Captain on May 8, 2022 18:01:26 GMT -5
I wonder what class the F will be. Apparently the Odyssey class exists in canon now. And what happened to the E? Just decommissioned or something more exciting?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 8, 2022 18:25:22 GMT -5
I'm 100% certain we'll see the Enterprise-F. There's no way you can do "one last ride" for the TNG crew and it not be on a ship named Enterprise. Question is, if we do get it, who will be in charge? Worf is the popular choice (given we don't have the Countdown comics timeline of Data coming back in B4's body to Captain the Enterprise), but I could see them playing off things with Seven's field commission she got at the end of season 2 (unless she takes Stargazer now that Rios changed his destiny). Yeah, Riker could take it, but he's had a couple of ships of his own after Enterprise (Titan and...the one from the end of Season 1 who I forget). Geordi has also been seen as a captain in one future, but that was a different ship too. Worf is probably the leading candidate, since at least in the series tie-in novels he succeeded Picard as captain of the E. Paramount seem to be keen to make the supplemental material as canon as possible, so that makes him the likely choice, especially if the E is still in service – three Sovereigns were seen in Season 2, so it's possible. If it's the F then there's no guarantees. I would guess Seven stays in command of Stargazer. I figure if Starfleet were that reluctant to accept her before, they'd probably not give her another ship voluntarily until she's proven herself with the command Picard gave her. Riker asked for temporary reinstatement at the end of Season 1, so I'd expect him to be retired and making pizza in his back yard again. Geordi would be a good choice. He left the E with Picard to oversee the building of the Romulus evacuation fleet on Mars and survived the bombings there, and hasn't yet reappeared in anything in the 10 years since, so he could easily be in command of a ship by 2402. Beverly would be a good outside bet. Stewart has openly expressed his regret that she barely featured in any of the TNG movies, and with Laris seemingly not looking like she's sticking around for long I'm not convinced the Picard-Crusher shippers won't finally get what they've wanted for the last 30 years. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 8, 2022 18:34:55 GMT -5
And what happened to the E? Just decommissioned or something more exciting? Since three Sovereign-class ships were part of the Season 2 fleet, I'm guessing the E might appear, possibly as a refit since it would be almost 30 years old at the time of Season 3. It's possible the E might meet its end in Season 3 and be replaced with the F, or the season begins in a similar way to Generations, and the crew get pulled along on some sort of big emergency on the F's maiden voyage. |
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Post by CMWaters on May 8, 2022 18:35:18 GMT -5
Question is, if we do get it, who will be in charge? Worf is the popular choice (given we don't have the Countdown comics timeline of Data coming back in B4's body to Captain the Enterprise), but I could see them playing off things with Seven's field commission she got at the end of season 2 (unless she takes Stargazer now that Rios changed his destiny). Yeah, Riker could take it, but he's had a couple of ships of his own after Enterprise (Titan and...the one from the end of Season 1 who I forget). Geordi has also been seen as a captain in one future, but that was a different ship too. Worf is probably the leading candidate, since at least in the series tie-in novels he succeeded Picard as captain of the E. Paramount seem to be keen to make the supplemental material as canon as possible, so that makes him the likely choice, especially if the E is still in service – three Sovereigns were seen in Season 2, so it's possible. If it's the F then there's no guarantees. I would guess Seven stays in command of Stargazer. I figure if Starfleet were that reluctant to accept her before, they'd probably not give her another ship voluntarily until she's proven herself with the command Picard gave her. Riker asked for temporary reinstatement at the end of Season 1, so I'd expect him to be retired and making pizza in his back yard again. Geordi would be a good choice. He left the E with Picard to oversee the building of the Romulus evacuation fleet on Mars and survived the bombings there, and hasn't yet reappeared in anything in the 10 years since, so he could easily be in command of a ship by 2402. Beverly would be a good outside bet. Stewart has openly expressed his regret that she barely featured in any of the TNG movies, and with Laris seemingly not looking like she's sticking around for long I'm not convinced the Picard-Crusher shippers won't finally get what they've wanted for the last 30 years. I doubt the Enterprise F would be ball shaped enough for Beverly to want it. I mean, look at her "All Good Things" command, the Pasteur.  Kidding aside, that would be an interesting twist to have her in charge. I would say Troi could be interesting too, but with Riker and Troi I do wonder if they'll be bringing their daughter from Season 1 with them for this, or will she be back home watched by someone else? |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 8, 2022 18:42:53 GMT -5
I doubt the Enterprise F would be ball shaped enough for Beverly to want it. I mean, look at her "All Good Things" command, the Pasteur. Kidding aside, that would be an interesting twist to have her in charge. I would say Troi could be interesting too, but with Riker and Troi I do wonder if they'll be bringing their daughter from Season 1 with them for this, or will she be back home watched by someone else? I love the Pasteur. Such a fun, goofy-looking design. I hope the Rikers' daughter stays home on this one, since she'd inevitably end up as kidnap bait or some other worn out dramatic trope. Leave her with the O'Briens for the weekend or something. |
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