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Post by thechase on Feb 23, 2023 15:08:37 GMT -5
Picard S3 Ep 2 {Spoiler}I loved that Crusher's reunion with Jean-Luc this episode didn't require any words, Stewart did all the emoting for both of them and it was mesmerising, then he takes a level in badass and Shaw is like "oh f*** it, let's do this your way", resigned to the situation. The little reassuring tap on the shoulder was also great, a real feelgood ending, and now on to the chase!
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 24, 2023 7:05:46 GMT -5
This season has really opened firing on all cylinders. {Spoiler}To nobody's surprise, Jack is Picard's son. I loved that Riker figured it out immediately; he really was speaking for us all when he was giving Picard the "Don't tell me you're not seeing it" speech.
It'll be interesting to see where they fit Jack's birth on the timeline. He looks too old (and has clearly been pissing people off for a long time) to have been born post-Nemesis when Beverly disappeared off the radar. Ed Speelers is 37, and assuming his character is a similar age that would put the year of birth around the time of TNG's second season, when Dr. Pulaski had replaced Beverly on the Enterprise. Of course, that leads to the problem of a child that Beverly keeps secret from everybody – including his father – all through TNG seasons 3-7 plus four movies.
Elsewhere, of course Raffi's handler was Worf, and by god did he make an entrance. That's the Worf we've always wanted to see, literally cutting fools to pieces.
Amanda Plummer definitely watched her pa's performance in Undiscovered Country, didn't she? She's chewing that scenery with the best of them. And throwing a starship? That's a baller move. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 24, 2023 7:44:28 GMT -5
It took until the third season for people to actually like it, it really is a TNG follow-up.
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Post by schma on Feb 24, 2023 8:01:41 GMT -5
It took until the third season for people to actually like it, it really is a TNG follow-up. Thats standard for nearly all star trek shows. I'd say the exceptions are the original series and Strange New Worlds. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 24, 2023 8:09:04 GMT -5
It took until the third season for people to actually like it, it really is a TNG follow-up. Thats standard for nearly all star trek shows. I'd say the exceptions are the original series and Strange New Worlds. I'd say Prodigy and Lower Decks also qualify but yeah, these shows usually don't start well. |
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Post by schma on Feb 24, 2023 8:19:36 GMT -5
Thats standard for nearly all star trek shows. I'd say the exceptions are the original series and Strange New Worlds. I'd say Prodigy and Lower Decks also qualify but yeah, these shows usually don't start well. I haven't seen Prodigy. Lower Decks took me a few episodes but yeah, I was definitely on board before the end of the first season. |
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Post by schma on Feb 24, 2023 8:23:27 GMT -5
This season has really opened firing on all cylinders. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}To nobody's surprise, Jack is Picard's son. It'll be interesting to see where they fit his birth on the timeline. He looks too old to have been born post-Nemesis when Beverly disappeared off the radar. Ed Speelers is 37, and assuming his character is a similar age that would put the year of birth around the time of TNG's second season, when Dr. Pulaski had replaced Beverly on the Enterprise. Of course, that leads to the problem of a child that Beverly keeps secret from everybody – including his father – all through TNG seasons 3-7 plus four movies.
Elsewhere, of course Raffi's handler was Worf, and by god did he make an entrance. That's the Worf we've always wanted to see, literally cutting fools to pieces. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}
Despite looking too old to be 20, I think that's what they will go with. I figure during their last failed attempt at a relationship Beverly either left when she realized she was pregnant or before she realized. Either way, I'm curious what her justification for not saying anything all these years is.
To completely cut everyone out like that sounds quite unlike her. {Spoiler}
{Spoiler} If they tried to fit it into the Pulaski season, that wouldn't really make sense. It was never indicated in the show that they ever actually went ahead with a relationship. Then there's the Wesley situation. Her one son just ups and disappears and she would still keep the other away and secret? |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 24, 2023 9:18:57 GMT -5
My question has been answered: {Spoiler}
So that places his birth year around 2377-'78, conceived as early as 2376. Insurrection happened in 2375, Nemesis in 2379.
Guessing Riker and Troi weren't the only crewmembers feeling frisky after the stay on Ba'ku. |
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 2, 2023 7:32:39 GMT -5
Well then... {Spoiler}Adding Changelings into the mix is something I did not expect, but it is cool to see DS9 getting referenced in this way.
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Post by ToyfareMark on Mar 2, 2023 8:04:39 GMT -5
This is a nitpick. It's just strange how star ships are so friggin dark now. I'm not expecting it to be as bright as it was on the Enterprise D, but it's almost like it would be a safety hazard. I know its for dramatic effect, but it still bugs me.
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 2, 2023 8:12:21 GMT -5
This is a nitpick. It's just strange how star ships are so friggin dark now. I'm not expecting it to be as bright as it was on the Enterprise D, but it's almost like it would be a safety hazard. I know its for dramatic effect, but it still bugs me. In universe, I could see it being that after Wolf 359, they figured that focus on consoles would be easier without too much lighting, especially in battle situations. It was a gradual shift in design from the 24th to 25th centuries. Compare the color scheme of the D to the E...and around the same time Voyager too. |
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Post by thechase on Mar 2, 2023 10:56:03 GMT -5
Blimey {Spoiler}This is how you do "deconstruction" right, making both Picard and Riker's strategies flawed, it's lose/lose, and for Picard it's the worst case scenario, as laid out by an upset Riker. Picard being so overprotective of his son is what I presume is what made him so aggressively gung ho in this episode. This is what it's like to have Captain Ahab Picard from First Contact barking orders and there is a price paid for indulging him. Work on yourself Jean-Luc
Loved the deep faked flashback and showing Deana with the son and what the seventeen seconds meant to Riker and eventually to Picard. Adding that Riker's son died while Jack ends up surviving this episode also adds a layer of tension
And now we have a Changeling splinter faction involved in things. Too bad we haven't seen them in their Founder forms just yet, or maybe the budget and time doesn't stretch for that? |
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 2, 2023 11:25:47 GMT -5
Blimey {Spoiler}{Spoiler}This is how you do "deconstruction" right, making both Picard and Riker's strategies flawed, it's lose/lose, and for Picard it's the worst case scenario, as laid out by an upset Riker. Picard being so overprotective of his son is what I presume is what made him so aggressively gung ho in this episode. This is what it's like to have Captain Ahab Picard from First Contact barking orders and there is a price paid for indulging him. Work on yourself Jean-Luc
Loved the deep faked flashback and showing Deana with the son and what the seventeen seconds meant to Riker and eventually to Picard. Adding that Riker's son died while Jack ends up surviving this episode also adds a layer of tension
And now we have a Changeling splinter faction involved in things. Too bad we haven't seen them in their Founder forms just yet, or maybe the budget and time doesn't stretch for that? To your last point {Spoiler}Keep in mind that the Founders were more adept at changing shape than Odo, and only took a similar look in story to be a constant reminder to him, not because that was a true form or anything. |
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Post by The Captain on Mar 2, 2023 17:38:01 GMT -5
This is a nitpick. It's just strange how star ships are so friggin dark now. I'm not expecting it to be as bright as it was on the Enterprise D, but it's almost like it would be a safety hazard. I know its for dramatic effect, but it still bugs me. In universe, I could see it being that after Wolf 359, they figured that focus on consoles would be easier without too much lighting, especially in battle situations. It was a gradual shift in design from the 24th to 25th centuries. Compare the color scheme of the D to the E...and around the same time Voyager too. Good point with Voyager. Like the bridge was pretty bright in regular and yellow alert situations. But when it was red alert time, all the lights dimmed and the console lighting looked brighter by comparison. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 2, 2023 17:43:16 GMT -5
Good point with Voyager. Like the bridge was pretty bright in regular and yellow alert situations. But when it was red alert time, all the lights dimmed and the console lighting looked brighter by comparison. Its funny, because whenever I think of Voyager I remember the bridge being pretty dark, even though it never really happened that often. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 2, 2023 20:49:07 GMT -5
{Spoiler}"I am Worf, Son of Mogh, House of Martok, Son of Sergei, House of Rozhenko. Bane to the Duras Family. Slayer of Gowron. I have made some Chamomile tea. Do you take sugar?"
"Beheadings are on Wednesdays."
I am loving "working on myself" Worf. |
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Post by The Captain on Mar 2, 2023 22:59:57 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Anyone think Vadic is a Changeling herself or just an opportunistic bounty hunter possibly working for the breakaway faction? |
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 2, 2023 23:08:08 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Anyone think Vadic is a Changeling herself or just an opportunistic bounty hunter possibly working for the breakaway faction? {Spoiler}Had her ears not been visible I might have thought she was a remixed Vorta that's heading the mission for the Changeling splinter group. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 2, 2023 23:32:06 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Anyone think Vadic is a Changeling herself or just an opportunistic bounty hunter possibly working for the breakaway faction? {Spoiler}I don't think she's a bounty hunter, but since she has access to the portal gun tech she is obviously aligned with the rogue changelings.
After rewatching the episode and reviewing the trailers, I'm pretty sure the Riker we've been with so far is a changeling. There's a scene in the last trailer where Worf, Raffi, and Riker enter a blue-lit chamber, presumably at the Daystrom Institute, since the lighting also matches the scene featuring Moriarty. Since it doesn't look like the Titan and Raffi/Worf strands are getting woven together any time soon I'll go out on a limb and say the changelings had two operatives tailing Picard, one impersonating Riker and the other infiltrating the Titan, and the real Riker will be the one who ties the two plots together.
The vision or whatever Jack had while he was dying suggests to me that the Prophets are involved somehow. Although I don't expect it to happen, given Avery Brooks is apparently blacklisted, but I would freak out if we got a Sisko appearance. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 5, 2023 16:13:11 GMT -5
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