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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 13, 2023 14:49:37 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Prodigy writers: Man, our penultimate episode was pretty dark. It sets up a real cluster of an end for the Federation.
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Post by Burst on Apr 13, 2023 17:42:49 GMT -5
{Spoiler}I'll definitely say, was not expecting the Borg and the twist with the transporters is clever as hell, I'm honestly surprised that to my knowledge, it took this long in canon for someone to think of weaponizing the transporters in this way, when you think about it. I'm almost feeling like the whole bit with the networked ships etc. and needing an older museum vessel to circumvent the takeover has got to be an intentional homage to BSG and/or Ronald Moore, because it's like... exactly the start of BSG just with more takeover and less straight-up killing and explosions (for now).
Will be very curious to see how they wrap all of this up in a single episode, and I have a feeling we'll see some sort of a throwback to Picard's "sleep" command from BOBW. Curious how much of a reset button if any there will be (which may or may not be coming from wishing that Shaw had survived), or if Starfleet gets collectively destroyed (again) and they just leave it at that. Also for a season that's been playing to an almost Gundam-level of deaths, I'm really hoping that the core cast survives the series and is allowed to retire in peace.
Re: Shaw, I'm almost feeling like they legit weren't expecting the character to get as positively received as he's been and that he was clearly earmarked for a redemption-equals-death/heroic sacrifice sort of thing from the beginning. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 13, 2023 18:12:02 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Will be very curious to see how they wrap all of this up in a single episode, and I have a feeling we'll see some sort of a throwback to Picard's "sleep" command from BOBW. Curious how much of a reset button if any there will be (which may or may not be coming from wishing that Shaw had survived), or if Starfleet gets collectively destroyed (again) and they just leave it at that. Also for a season that's been playing to an almost Gundam-level of deaths, I'm really hoping that the core cast survives the series and is allowed to retire in peace.
Re: Shaw, I'm almost feeling like they legit weren't expecting the character to get as positively received as he's been and that he was clearly earmarked for a redemption-equals-death/heroic sacrifice sort of thing from the beginning. {Spoiler}Since Jack is the transmitter, I think we'll be getting Picard vs. Queenie for Jack's soul, with Jack ultimately regaining his humanity and shutting down the assimilated Starfleet crew.
As for Shaw, Todd Stashwick has said he was surprised at how positive the fan reaction has been. If we do get a continuation with Seven as captain I have a hard time believing the dynamic between her and her first officer will be anywhere near as interesting. Seeing two lead characters' dislike of each other gradually thaw into mutual respect and eventual friendship would have made for a better show, IMO. A missed opportunity, especially given Shaw's final moments were so thoroughly predictable they were correctly guessed by about 95% of the fandom by the end of the second episode. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 13, 2023 19:17:09 GMT -5
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Post by CMWaters on Apr 13, 2023 19:34:56 GMT -5
Concerning Shaw in something pointed out to me elsewhere: {Spoiler}He kind of comes full circle in a way. He was alive because an officer lost their live to get him in an escape pod against The Borg. Here, he is getting a bunch of people into a shuttle to escape from the Borg at the cost of his life. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 13, 2023 20:03:50 GMT -5
Concerning Shaw in something pointed out to me elsewhere: {Spoiler}He kind of comes full circle in a way. He was alive because an officer lost their live to get him in an escape pod against The Borg. Here, he is getting a bunch of people into a shuttle to escape from the Borg at the cost of his life. {Spoiler}Similarly, Shelby made her career developing countermeasures to fight the Borg, and is killed by the Borg after spearheading an initiative that unintentionally handed the Borg Starfleet's fleet on a silver platter. |
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Post by schma on Apr 14, 2023 10:47:14 GMT -5
Finally got the chance to see the most recent episode. Damn that was good. Not gonna lie, I had all the feels.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 14, 2023 22:49:47 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Apr 15, 2023 1:59:02 GMT -5
The finale is an hour in length Source: Trekyards Matalas also confirms that |
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Post by schma on Apr 15, 2023 2:26:30 GMT -5
How do they measure that? Doesn't Netflix keep their viewership numbers to themselves? Not sure if the other companies share their numbers. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 15, 2023 3:23:29 GMT -5
How do they measure that? Doesn't Netflix keep their viewership numbers to themselves? Not sure if the other companies share their numbers. Nielsen has an app that its users install on their devices to track what they watch. The sample size isn't exactly huge, but it is accurate. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 15, 2023 3:37:39 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Suddenly the chances of a Janeway cameo just went up. |
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Post by thechase on Apr 15, 2023 3:50:17 GMT -5
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Post by CMWaters on Apr 15, 2023 5:23:02 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Suddenly the chances of a Janeway cameo just went up. {Spoiler}Despite her being mentioned every so often in "Picard", I almost wonder if they just want to keep the majority of her story to "Prodigy". |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 15, 2023 6:02:10 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Despite her being mentioned every so often in "Picard", I almost wonder if they just want to keep the majority of her story to "Prodigy". {Spoiler}Most likely, but given Prodigy takes place about 15 years before Picard I don't see any harm in her appearing here. After all, we have Voyager's Borg Queen as the true antagonist of the season, Jeri Ryan is billed as a co-lead, and Tim Russ confirmed that he was in two episodes, so we know we're getting a resolution to what happened to Tuvok. Finally, the only graphical display from the end credits that hasn't played out in the show so far is an Intrepid-class ship (presumably Voyager) orbiting Earth Spacedock (it has the additional external structures not present on the Fleet Museum).
As much as this season has been a love letter to TNG, it's leaned heavily on Voyager, too. |
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Post by thechase on Apr 15, 2023 12:06:12 GMT -5
Preview of episode ten is out {Spoiler}
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 15, 2023 15:17:06 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 15, 2023 15:52:37 GMT -5
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Post by Burst on Apr 15, 2023 16:01:53 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler} {Spoiler}I'll be honest, as late 80s/early 90s as it is to a point, I miss the design philosophy of the Ent-D bridge and the interiors of that ship in general. It's really the only starship that's seemingly kept creature comforts in mind for what's supposed to be a long haul, expeditionary vessel, and it's really the only Star Trek starship that feels like it would be actually comfortable to be on for an extended mission. I think I may also just be tired of the lingering wartime aesthetic from First Contact and Deep Space 9 which admittedly makes sense in-universe but out of universe to a point feels like kowtowing to all the fans who were like lol the enterprise looks like a hotel as if that's a bad thing for the ship's intended role as an exploratory and essentially diplomatic vessel.
To pull some real world comparisons into this rant, the hospital at which I'm currently working, was rebuilt in 1991 and has a very similar vibe, in the sense of the public areas of the place being very airy with lots of natural light and plants and natural materials and essentially the same color palette as the Ent-D bridge. Yes, it looks like a mall, yes it looks very early 90s, but it's just weirdly cozy in a way hospitals almost never are. I'll contrast that with another hospital I was at briefly, which is a nationally known institution that really wants to make sure you know that they're a nationally known institution. They just rebuilt their main lobby within the last few years, and while it's impressive in a monumental sort of way, it's polished stone and glass and hard surfaces and makes me think 'cavernous airport terminal' more than anything else. I assume they weren't literally going for 'cold and clinical', but basically, this is how I feel about the newer bridge and starship interior aesthetic, right down to the seeming unwillingness to properly illuminate things. |
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Apr 15, 2023 17:13:59 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} {Spoiler}{Spoiler}I'll be honest, as late 80s/early 90s as it is to a point, I miss the design philosophy of the Ent-D bridge and the interiors of that ship in general. It's really the only starship that's seemingly kept creature comforts in mind for what's supposed to be a long haul, expeditionary vessel, and it's really the only Star Trek starship that feels like it would be actually comfortable to be on for an extended mission. I think I may also just be tired of the lingering wartime aesthetic from First Contact and Deep Space 9 which admittedly makes sense in-universe but out of universe to a point feels like kowtowing to all the fans who were like lol the enterprise looks like a hotel as if that's a bad thing for the ship's intended role as an exploratory and essentially diplomatic vessel.
To pull some real world comparisons into this rant, the hospital at which I'm currently working, was rebuilt in 1991 and has a very similar vibe, in the sense of the public areas of the place being very airy with lots of natural light and plants and natural materials and essentially the same color palette as the Ent-D bridge. Yes, it looks like a mall, yes it looks very early 90s, but it's just weirdly cozy in a way hospitals almost never are. I'll contrast that with another hospital I was at briefly, which is a nationally known institution that really wants to make sure you know that they're a nationally known institution. They just rebuilt their main lobby within the last few years, and while it's impressive in a monumental sort of way, it's polished stone and glass and hard surfaces and makes me think 'cavernous airport terminal' more than anything else. I assume they weren't literally going for 'cold and clinical', but basically, this is how I feel about the newer bridge and starship interior aesthetic, right down to the seeming unwillingness to properly illuminate things. There are some various lore channels on youtube that like to add backstory and context to certain ships. One of them, might have been Triangulum or Lore Reloaded, described the mood and moment the Federation was in with the Galaxy-class ships. No conflicts, relative peace with the Romulans in hiding and a firm peace treaty with the Klingons, and so the Galaxy-class ships reflected that optimistic sense of peace. I always liked that. What did you think of the ever so briefly seen refit of the Enterprise-D on Generations? That was probably my favorite, updating it to a more serious tone while keeping a lot of the softer aesthetics. |
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