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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 2:13:42 GMT -5
Not sure about Kofi, but it wouldn't surprise me. Hell, Punk was pretty friendly with Miz up until Miz got the world title push and subsequent WrestleMania main event, at which point he never passed up a chance to shit on Miz, whether it be on the BITW documentary, in interviews, or on podcasts, and more or less admitted that whenever they worked a match together after that he'd put zero effort into making it work. Even as a big fan of Punk, I can't not notice how much of an insecure, narcissistic bag of dicks he can be. Not that he ever hid it, that is. He's always been pretty open about the way he's wired. Which always came across as incredibly petty to me, his beef with Miz because he got a Mania main event spot.
Miz while not being the greatest wrestler at that time bust his ass that no one can match besides when you account in ring and outside the ring work. A guy like Punk wouldn't do as much media commitment as Miz did or have the patience to do it and keep a smile without saying something crazy that would affect the company
Del Rio doesn't like Miz either does he? Then again Del Rio doesn't like many people
To briefly posit my theory there. Miz is someone who toes the company line and tries his hardest with whatever he's given, always ready to be the face of a publicly traded company. ADR/Punk, agitators and complainers don't like that Miz' conduct puts theirs in a very bad light. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 15, 2018 2:13:59 GMT -5
I'm gonna throw some bail at the guy only because he changed after the wwe fired him on his wedding day. After that he just erased wrestling and anyone from the wwe in his life. Before that he still had his friends from there, after that happened he killed his friendships with Kofi and Swoggle. I know "X unfollowed Y on Twitter" is generally something to roll your eyes at, but with Colt, Hornswoggle, and Mercury it rings true with Punk, and almost every wresting personality he still follows on Twitter is not employed by WWE: - Cliff Compton - MVP - Eve Torres - Matt Sydal - Jimmy Rave - Rocky Romero - Seth Skyfire - Rip Rogers - Alberto - JoMo - Batista - Bret Hart - Dave Prazak - Ace Steel - The Young Bucks - Steve Austin Only three exceptions to this: - Ronda Rousey - Eric Young - Shayna Baszler And in Ronda and Shayna's cases it's likely because he follows almost every MMArtist on the face of the planet. So yeah, at some point it looks like Kofi and Gallows got the axe as well. In the infamous aow episode that got them sued, Punk told a story about wwe executives harrasing him. Apparently a executive would but dial him, and when Punk answered her, he would hear voices telling the woman to hang up. This happened on a couple occasions. Because of this and getting fired on his wedding day, I think that he believes everyone at the company is trying to f*** him over. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 15, 2018 2:15:50 GMT -5
Not sure about Kofi, but it wouldn't surprise me. Hell, Punk was pretty friendly with Miz up until Miz got the world title push and subsequent WrestleMania main event, at which point he never passed up a chance to shit on Miz, whether it be on the BITW documentary, in interviews, or on podcasts, and more or less admitted that whenever they worked a match together after that he'd put zero effort into making it work. Even as a big fan of Punk, I can't not notice how much of an insecure, narcissistic bag of dicks he can be. Not that he ever hid it, that is. He's always been pretty open about the way he's wired. Which always came across as incredibly petty to me, his beef with Miz because he got a Mania main event spot. Miz while not being the greatest wrestler at that time bust his ass that no one can match besides when you account in ring and outside the ring work. A guy like Punk wouldn't do as much media commitment as Miz did or have the patience to do it and keep a smile without saying something crazy that would affect the company Del Rio doesn't like Miz either does he? Then again Del Rio doesn't like many people
Pretty much. Punk was unquestionably the better in-ring talent, but being the champion - especially for a relatively lengthy reign, as Miz's was - needs someone who offers more than just good matches on PPV. Miz get heat on Raw one night, can charm an audience on Kimmel the next night, then play the fool on the Nickelodeon Kids Awards the night after that, which is tremendous PR for the company. Punk, on the other hand, tends to come across as a temperamental ass when asked to do stuff like that. Hell, one of his first press conferences for UFC he got into a verbal fight with someone in the audience. And no, Del Rio doesn't like Miz, and he and Ricardo also took shots at him in a radio interview. But as you say, that's not uncommon behaviour for him. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 15, 2018 2:19:28 GMT -5
In the infamous aow episode that got them sued, Punk told a story about wwe executives harrasing him. Apparently a executive would but dial him, and when Punk answered her, he would hear voices telling the woman to hang up. This happened on a couple occasions. Because of this and getting fired on his wedding day, I think that he believes everyone at the company is trying to f*** him over. Which is understandable when it comes to the execs and their cronies, but the talent? You've got to be one paranoid son of a bitch to think that your former co-workers, some of whom you considered good friends, are out to get you, despite having no logical reason for doing so. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 15, 2018 2:23:34 GMT -5
In the infamous aow episode that got them sued, Punk told a story about wwe executives harrasing him. Apparently a executive would but dial him, and when Punk answered her, he would hear voices telling the woman to hang up. This happened on a couple occasions. Because of this and getting fired on his wedding day, I think that he believes everyone at the company is trying to f*** him over. Which is understandable when it comes to the execs and their cronies, but the talent? You've got to be one paranoid son of a bitch to think that your former co-workers, some of whom you considered good friends, are out to get you, despite having no logical reason for doing so. Well Mercury was his close friend and he stooged Punk over. Some of his paranoia turned out to be truth. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 15, 2018 2:23:37 GMT -5
Which always came across as incredibly petty to me, his beef with Miz because he got a Mania main event spot. Miz while not being the greatest wrestler at that time bust his ass that no one can match besides when you account in ring and outside the ring work. A guy like Punk wouldn't do as much media commitment as Miz did or have the patience to do it and keep a smile without saying something crazy that would affect the company Del Rio doesn't like Miz either does he? Then again Del Rio doesn't like many people
Pretty much. Punk was unquestionably the better in-ring talent, but being the champion - especially for a relatively lengthy reign, as Miz's was - needs someone who offers more than just good matches on PPV. Miz get heat on Raw one night, can charm an audience on Kimmel the next night, then play the fool on the Nickelodeon Kids Awards the night after that, which is tremendous PR for the company. Punk, on the other hand, tends to come across as a temperamental ass when asked to do stuff like that. Hell, one of his first press conferences for UFC he got into a verbal fight with someone in the audience. And no, Del Rio doesn't like Miz, and he and Ricardo also took shots at him in a radio interview. But as you say, that's not uncommon behaviour for him. Right. As much as people don't like the "Rock Mold" or "Cena Mold" it works as far as PR goes. You have to be able to show personality wherever you go and not just be the crusty wrestler who doesn't want to be bothered. Miz knows being the top guy isn't just being the champ which is why he's been employed for so long and why WWE hasn't had any outside problems with him
Guys like Titus are learning that as well. Dude is nowhere near good in the ring but the person is such a good man and someone you want around for the company and the locker room.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 15, 2018 2:28:30 GMT -5
Which always came across as incredibly petty to me, his beef with Miz because he got a Mania main event spot.
Miz while not being the greatest wrestler at that time bust his ass that no one can match besides when you account in ring and outside the ring work. A guy like Punk wouldn't do as much media commitment as Miz did or have the patience to do it and keep a smile without saying something crazy that would affect the company
Del Rio doesn't like Miz either does he? Then again Del Rio doesn't like many people
To briefly posit my theory there. Miz is someone who toes the company line and tries his hardest with whatever he's given, always ready to be the face of a publicly traded company. ADR/Punk, agitators and complainers don't like that Miz' conduct puts theirs in a very bad light. Yea, pretty much
It's the whole wrestler vs "wrestler". Miz got into the company through his TV background but he's earned his spot and will go down in history as one of their best when he's finally finished
ADR/Punk seem to only get parts of what it takes to be "The Guy" in and out the ring. You can tell when they have a bad day and therefore you can't send them out to do media or take on another opportunities. A guy like Miz or Cena can probably be having their worst day of the month be dead tired and just want to relax but if the company needs something they can put on that smile for the company, handle business, and go home
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 2:35:49 GMT -5
What's kind of ironic about the Miz / Punk / Alberto thing is I think their TLC match was easily the best title defense of Punk's reign.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 15, 2018 2:48:41 GMT -5
Which is understandable when it comes to the execs and their cronies, but the talent? You've got to be one paranoid son of a bitch to think that your former co-workers, some of whom you considered good friends, are out to get you, despite having no logical reason for doing so. Well Mercury was his close friend and he stooged Punk over. Some of his paranoia turned out to be truth. I'm thinking more about the Kofis and Gallowses of the world that he severed ties with after he left the company. Did he cut them out of his life because they simply worked for "the enemy" or was it a more personal thing? |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 15, 2018 2:54:01 GMT -5
A guy like Miz or Cena can probably be having their worst day of the month be dead tired and just want to relax but if the company needs something they can put on that smile for the company, handle business, and go home There was a point when you could tell just how much time Miz in particular was putting in just from how dark the huge bags under his eyes were. Hell, he once flew to Australia for a TV appearance, was in the country for a matter of hours and flew back for Raw. Can you imagine how Punk would've taken being asked to do that? |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 15, 2018 3:23:02 GMT -5
Well Mercury was his close friend and he stooged Punk over. Some of his paranoia turned out to be truth. I'm thinking more about the Kofis and Gallowses of the world that he severed ties with after he left the company. Did he cut them out of his life because they simply worked for "the enemy" or was it a more personal thing? In my opinion they were casualties of war. Again this is just my opinion but he started doubting everyone, and to tell the truth some of his suspicions weren't that far off, in the trial they showed Dr ZPak casually discussing Punk's medical story with guys he thought were his friends like Ziggler and Jericho. Now regarding Kofi and Luke, he probably just wanted to remove every link he had with the wwe. I'm going back to what I said about him becoming a recluse like Savage, I think he'll settle with Cabana so he can finally dissapear from public life and just forget about wrestling. |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 15, 2018 5:26:56 GMT -5
Which always came across as incredibly petty to me, his beef with Miz because he got a Mania main event spot. Miz while not being the greatest wrestler at that time bust his ass that no one can match besides when you account in ring and outside the ring work. A guy like Punk wouldn't do as much media commitment as Miz did or have the patience to do it and keep a smile without saying something crazy that would affect the company Del Rio doesn't like Miz either does he? Then again Del Rio doesn't like many people
Pretty much. Punk was unquestionably the better in-ring talent, but being the champion - especially for a relatively lengthy reign, as Miz's was - needs someone who offers more than just good matches on PPV. Miz get heat on Raw one night, can charm an audience on Kimmel the next night, then play the fool on the Nickelodeon Kids Awards the night after that, which is tremendous PR for the company. Punk, on the other hand, tends to come across as a temperamental ass when asked to do stuff like that. Hell, one of his first press conferences for UFC he got into a verbal fight with someone in the audience. And no, Del Rio doesn't like Miz, and he and Ricardo also took shots at him in a radio interview. But as you say, that's not uncommon behaviour for him. And aren't Punk and Bertie pretty much the only 2 that don't like Miz. He's liked by Bryan, Cody, and AJ Styles, but not Punk and Bertie. I'm obviously leaving out guys like Morrison, Dolph, and Ryder who are his friends. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 15, 2018 6:26:33 GMT -5
Pretty much. Punk was unquestionably the better in-ring talent, but being the champion - especially for a relatively lengthy reign, as Miz's was - needs someone who offers more than just good matches on PPV. Miz get heat on Raw one night, can charm an audience on Kimmel the next night, then play the fool on the Nickelodeon Kids Awards the night after that, which is tremendous PR for the company. Punk, on the other hand, tends to come across as a temperamental ass when asked to do stuff like that. Hell, one of his first press conferences for UFC he got into a verbal fight with someone in the audience. And no, Del Rio doesn't like Miz, and he and Ricardo also took shots at him in a radio interview. But as you say, that's not uncommon behaviour for him. And aren't Punk and Bertie pretty much the only 2 that don't like Miz. He's liked by Bryan, Cody, and AJ Styles, but not Punk and Bertie. I'm obviously leaving out guys like Morrison, Dolph, and Ryder who are his friends. I sometimes got the vibe that Cena isn't particularly fond of Miz. The whole "Too busy making average look awesome" promo from years back comes to mind. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 15, 2018 6:33:38 GMT -5
Hornswaggle said Punk is the toughest person to have a friendship with. If you're his friend he'll take care of you and the relationship is very solid, trusting, and he'll be there for you. If there's some form of a slight no matter how minor or inconsequential it appears he'll cut that person off completely. I just remember how hurt Hornswaggle sounded when he said that Punk literally ended their friendship because he asked for a friends number. Given Punk's past with his family and friends, along with his acrimonious relationship with wrestling, he has strong trust issues and is very paranoid about the people around him. That's not a friendship, that's a dictatorship. If someone is your friend and you truly love them, a perceived slight shouldn't be enough to make you cut yourself off from them. If you can do that so easily, you don't really care about them the way you say you do. Friendships aren't supposed to hinge on how well they follow your rules on personal conduct, or how much they parrot your feelings and opinions. You can keep your free house if one day you're gonna turn around and give me the silent treatment like a four year old just because I had the gall to innocently ask for someone's phone number, or dare not to cut off someone else for a minor "infraction". This lawsuit aside, more and more evidence is pointing to the fact that Punk is, for the most part, an incredibly lousy friend |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 7:28:00 GMT -5
When it comes to friendships, Punk is such a quieter.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 15, 2018 8:04:40 GMT -5
One thing ,when were Miz and Punk ever friends?
As far as I know ,ever since ECW, they never got along.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 15, 2018 9:15:48 GMT -5
And aren't Punk and Bertie pretty much the only 2 that don't like Miz. He's liked by Bryan, Cody, and AJ Styles, but not Punk and Bertie. I'm obviously leaving out guys like Morrison, Dolph, and Ryder who are his friends. I sometimes got the vibe that Cena isn't particularly fond of Miz. The whole "Too busy making average look awesome" promo from years back comes to mind. I chalk that up to professional jealousy
Miz is the only one close to Cena level commitment with WWE and Cena knows it. Cena has said before about how he doesn't hold back on the mic from rookies or vets because he tells them to give him their best shot and Miz is one of those people who holds his own with Cena in that regard too
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Aug 15, 2018 10:01:30 GMT -5
Listen to Jericho talk about trying to be Punk's friend. He isn't even trying to dis him but you can totally see what a paranoid ass Punk is.
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Post by lionheart21 on Aug 15, 2018 10:07:51 GMT -5
That's crazy Wasn't their a rumor earlier about him and Kofi not being friends either? One would think if you helped someone save their house you must really care about them but I guess shit changes over time
Not sure about Kofi, but it wouldn't surprise me. Hell, Punk was pretty friendly with Miz up until Miz got the world title push and subsequent WrestleMania main event, at which point he never passed up a chance to shit on Miz, whether it be on the BITW documentary, in interviews, or on podcasts, and more or less admitted that whenever they worked a match together after that he'd put zero effort into making it work. Even as a big fan of Punk, I can't not notice how much of an insecure, narcissistic bag of dicks he can be. Not that he ever hid it, that is. He's always been pretty open about the way he's wired. That's petty as hell, Miz had to go through hell (even more so due to his reality show past) and worked his ass off to earn a shot. Also, when you say that he made no effort into making it work, was that Punk saying that about himself or Miz? |
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Post by lionheart21 on Aug 15, 2018 10:08:51 GMT -5
Punk's pretty much nuked any sense of good will anybody had left for the man at this point. At a Progress event in Chicago his name was heavily booed by the audience followed by chants of "Colt Cabana". Even Chicago is finally sick of his shit after all these years. Yikes! When your own hometown hates your guts, you know you messed up. |
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