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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 12, 2018 10:45:04 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure everyone and their grandmother has said this answer before to people but I'll say it one more time as a metaphor. It's cheaper to renovate an old house than it is to buy the land and get planning permission to construct an entirely new house. But everytime the house gets renovated something awful happens like it was built on top of a graveyard. The Carters wasted tens of millions and they couldn't rebuild the house. Neither could Jeff Jarrett the man who built it. At some point maybe just quit. But for all the costs of sorting out Impact now, the costs of setting up a whole new wrestling promotion or even plucking one up like MLW is probably a lot more. You have to find the right venues to hold the shows, get the right talent, get the right staff who know what they're talking about, figure out marketing, figure out what you want to do etc. Like, yes, I'm not saying Impact's the right choice for all this but...dude, who else is there? ROH's already got their big conglomerate giving them money, MLW was around for years before their TV deal, CZW needs a lot more work before they even begin to pitch themselves to broadcasters etc. |
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Post by The Captain on Aug 12, 2018 11:56:51 GMT -5
I was definitely on the "shut the damn thing down" train when it seemed like there was no hope in them ever becoming a competently-run organization. But they're still hanging on and have actually become a competently-run organization. And especially a more self-aware organization.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 11:57:57 GMT -5
That is insane...There has to be a better platform to show this on
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 12, 2018 12:01:41 GMT -5
But everytime the house gets renovated something awful happens like it was built on top of a graveyard. The Carters wasted tens of millions and they couldn't rebuild the house. Neither could Jeff Jarrett the man who built it. At some point maybe just quit. But for all the costs of sorting out Impact now, the costs of setting up a whole new wrestling promotion or even plucking one up like MLW is probably a lot more. You have to find the right venues to hold the shows, get the right talent, get the right staff who know what they're talking about, figure out marketing, figure out what you want to do etc. Like, yes, I'm not saying Impact's the right choice for all this but...dude, who else is there? ROH's already got their big conglomerate giving them money, MLW was around for years before their TV deal, CZW needs a lot more work before they even begin to pitch themselves to broadcasters etc. Well ROH may be in trouble since Tribune is suing Sinclair for a billion dollars. I understand the need for wrestling to be on tv, but at the end of the day the benefits should be bigger than the costs. WCW was their highest rated show, but they were losing money so it got cancelled. At some point Anthem needs to look at their bottom line and see if it's worth opening the doors every week or every week they lose money. |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 12, 2018 12:03:22 GMT -5
That is insane...There has to be a better platform to show this on What network will even touch this? They got cancelled twice, maybe three times if their deal isn't renewed this year. I think the only reason Pop tv put them on was because they were willing to share ad revenue, which is a problem because advertisers hate wrestling. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 17:49:29 GMT -5
PWInsider has a running tally of Impact viewership; at this time last year the show drew 277,000 viewers. Two years ago, it netted 315,000. Surely the drop in viewers can’t be blamed solely on football, can it? Do preseason games typically score high ratings? Not really. There are some games historically that drew ratings, but most preseason games are aired locally by the team's broadcasting crew, so you can't factor in a national audience. |
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Post by Aya Reiko on Aug 13, 2018 3:51:40 GMT -5
At this point, it's more likely Impact will probably lose its TV deal when CBS and/or Lionsgate decides Pop is not worth keeping rather than the network not wanting Impact anymore.
As for Alberta del Pendejo, he wasn't a big fish in a small pond, he was a slightly above-average sized fish in a kiddy pool. The main reason he drew in TNA is that nearly everyone else on the roster is a nobody. Or they too left the show in the past year.
The problem with Impact is it isn't so bad it's good anymore, it's just merely bad and duller than dishwater, and everyone who cares has noticed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 11:02:07 GMT -5
To increase their ratings, POP should run the old preview guide rotating listing on the bottom half of the screen. Then they can get really old people with CRT televisions to watch to see when Murder She Wrote reruns are coming on.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Aug 13, 2018 11:43:06 GMT -5
Feel bad for Callis and D'Amore, they have the world's largest hill to climb.
Of course, it doesn't help that Dixie dug a six foot grave and hopped in before giving up.
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Post by benstudd on Aug 17, 2018 5:09:38 GMT -5
People seem to find them that they are competent and are doing good wrestling. Sort of like....ROH.
But let me ask you something, do TNA fans like that? It is something to consider.
Like when Russo went to WCW and changed their whole product to make it like late 90s WWF Attitude. The ratings were somewhat maintained probably cause they brought WWF fans but meanwhile, the WCW fans left. So it was about even. But when the WWF fans finally returned home(instead of continuing watching an imitation), the WCW fans were not there to maintain things, the drop was gigantic.
A lot of TNA fans were WCW fans and they like old stars, nostlagia, and stuff like that. They like the swerves and surprises and "big TV moments" that you have to tune it to watch. Because that is what Jarrett gave them for a long time. These fans may find this new TNA/Impact too sanitized.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 17, 2018 22:19:05 GMT -5
I've been trying to think about this issue. Why have people tuned out of Impact when the product itself has been stronger of late? I think it's because the show has basically zero redeemable characters on it. I mean seriously is there a single root worthy babyface there? The main event feud is Austin Aries and Eddie Edwards, with Aries acting like a self righteous prick heel and Edwards being a complete maniac that has tried to kill Sami Callihan a few times, alienated his wife, basically gone insane. Who is there to cheer for there? Same deal with LAX vs. LAX OGs. It's kinda interesting but it's a bunch of gang bangers fighting each other. Who cares who wins? The Su Yung stuff is weird and just plain crazy. Sami and OVE are a bunch of lunatics, but it's not like Pentagon and Fenix are sunny heroes here.
The show feels like Callis is trying to ape ECW's style of tweeners and antiheroes except Heyman used to infuse the ECW characters with some sort of fun quality or redeeming quality, whereas here I feel like Impact is a bunch of unappealing dicks or psychos fighting each other.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 22:55:15 GMT -5
People seem to find them that they are competent and are doing good wrestling. Sort of like....ROH. But let me ask you something, do TNA fans like that? It is something to consider. Like when Russo went to WCW and changed their whole product to make it like late 90s WWF Attitude. The ratings were somewhat maintained probably cause they brought WWF fans but meanwhile, the WCW fans left. So it was about even. But when the WWF fans finally returned home(instead of continuing watching an imitation), the WCW fans were not there to maintain things, the drop was gigantic. A lot of TNA fans were WCW fans and they like old stars, nostlagia, and stuff like that. They like the swerves and surprises and "big TV moments" that you have to tune it to watch. Because that is what Jarrett gave them for a long time. These fans may find this new TNA/Impact too sanitized. There is something to this in my life I’ve known 2 actual real-life TNA/Impact fans: the 1st is in his mid 50’s was a huge wcw fan hates and never watches wwe has never been on the internet once in his life has no clue about what’s going on behind the scenes he started losing interest in tna the end of the spike tv run and he didn’t get destination America so he came back when they went to pop tv but gave up after a couple months due to finding it completely uninteresting and he hasn’t watched wrestling in a couple years now. the 2nd is in his early 30’s loved both WWF & WCW as a child but lost interest in WWF post Mania 17 and TNA became his promotion again he doesn’t know any behind the scenes news he just watches his wrestling show each week and he would always buy the ppv’s including the One Night Only’s.Over the last couple years his interest has really decreased as he’s seen a lot of the people he liked leave tna or just retire and he recently told me that the current company is full of geeks and has no stars and to him it doesn’t he hasn’t watched Wwe in almost 2 decades and he doesn’t watch Lucha underground or indies or NJPW he doesn’t care about that.He doesn’t care about guys having “great matches” for the sake of great matches he wants a show with interesting characters that he cares about involved in interesting stories on a fun show that feels like it matters.He gave it another try with the post slammiversay show and he was bored out of his mind and hasn’t watched since and has no interest to watch again. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 23:50:54 GMT -5
I get it is subjective but always seemed weird to me.
Wants great stories and characters
a wrestling company presents a superior quality of stories and characters
Thinks it is shit
circle back to wanting great characters and stories
Everytime I see that I always just go back to the simpsons quote
"so you want a completely down to earth show that is completely off the wall and swarming with magical robots"
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 18, 2018 0:20:12 GMT -5
People seem to find them that they are competent and are doing good wrestling. Sort of like....ROH. But let me ask you something, do TNA fans like that? It is something to consider. Like when Russo went to WCW and changed their whole product to make it like late 90s WWF Attitude. The ratings were somewhat maintained probably cause they brought WWF fans but meanwhile, the WCW fans left. So it was about even. But when the WWF fans finally returned home(instead of continuing watching an imitation), the WCW fans were not there to maintain things, the drop was gigantic. A lot of TNA fans were WCW fans and they like old stars, nostlagia, and stuff like that. They like the swerves and surprises and "big TV moments" that you have to tune it to watch. Because that is what Jarrett gave them for a long time. These fans may find this new TNA/Impact too sanitized. I could potentially see that except, if I recall correctly, the downturn was already well underway far before D'Amore and Callis took over. The TNA brand was becoming poisonous for a good, long while and viewership was falling for a whole combination of reasons, but I think that cake was already baked before the switch to the current regime. It really seems that Impact's TV woes right now stem largely from how horribly Dixie botched the relationships with the other, more visible networks they had been on previously, leaving Pop, a niche station already that has become even harder to access this month as many providers have dropped it from their main packages (at least temporarily). Plain and simply, many people can't find them, and others can't access them, and Pop being dropped from a lot of providers this month is clearly poison for Impact's numbers, regardless of show quality. Put another way, there's a large audience out there that will potentially watch a weekly pro wrestling show so long as it's easily accessible (see: Impact getting over 1 million viewers even during its lowest points creatively during its Spike run); it's how Raw can still draw over 2.5 million viewers, people will just put it on because it's there. Once you shift over to a smaller channel, worse timeslot, etc., plain and simply your audience pool shrinks. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 0:28:46 GMT -5
I get it is subjective but always seemed weird to me. Wants great stories and characters a wrestling company presents a superior quality of stories and characters Thinks it is shit circle back to wanting great characters and stories Everytime I see that I always just go back to the simpsons quote "so you want a completely down to earth show that is completely off the wall and swarming with magical robots" The problem is impact doesn’t have real stars and the stories & characters aren’t of a high quality and everyone other than Fallah Bah is completely unlikable and that’s only because he only says one word and we don’t understand what that word means and the one person that does Scarlett thinks he’s a pervert. |
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Post by Fade on Aug 18, 2018 1:46:14 GMT -5
Everytime I see that I always just go back to the simpsons quote "so you want a completely down to earth show that is completely off the wall and swarming with magical robots"  |
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Post by benstudd on Aug 18, 2018 21:41:12 GMT -5
People seem to find them that they are competent and are doing good wrestling. Sort of like....ROH. But let me ask you something, do TNA fans like that? It is something to consider. Like when Russo went to WCW and changed their whole product to make it like late 90s WWF Attitude. The ratings were somewhat maintained probably cause they brought WWF fans but meanwhile, the WCW fans left. So it was about even. But when the WWF fans finally returned home(instead of continuing watching an imitation), the WCW fans were not there to maintain things, the drop was gigantic. A lot of TNA fans were WCW fans and they like old stars, nostlagia, and stuff like that. They like the swerves and surprises and "big TV moments" that you have to tune it to watch. Because that is what Jarrett gave them for a long time. These fans may find this new TNA/Impact too sanitized. I could potentially see that except, if I recall correctly, the downturn was already well underway far before D'Amore and Callis took over. The TNA brand was becoming poisonous for a good, long while and viewership was falling for a whole combination of reasons, but I think that cake was already baked before the switch to the current regime. It really seems that Impact's TV woes right now stem largely from how horribly Dixie botched the relationships with the other, more visible networks they had been on previously, leaving Pop, a niche station already that has become even harder to access this month as many providers have dropped it from their main packages (at least temporarily). Plain and simply, many people can't find them, and others can't access them, and Pop being dropped from a lot of providers this month is clearly poison for Impact's numbers, regardless of show quality. Put another way, there's a large audience out there that will potentially watch a weekly pro wrestling show so long as it's easily accessible (see: Impact getting over 1 million viewers even during its lowest points creatively during its Spike run); it's how Raw can still draw over 2.5 million viewers, people will just put it on because it's there. Once you shift over to a smaller channel, worse timeslot, etc., plain and simply your audience pool shrinks. No doubt what you said plays a big part. But consider when TNA finally had their act together during Hogan's tenure around 2012 after the craziness stopped. Everybody was praising them yet the ratings took a fall. |
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Post by benstudd on Aug 18, 2018 21:54:44 GMT -5
People seem to find them that they are competent and are doing good wrestling. Sort of like....ROH. But let me ask you something, do TNA fans like that? It is something to consider. Like when Russo went to WCW and changed their whole product to make it like late 90s WWF Attitude. The ratings were somewhat maintained probably cause they brought WWF fans but meanwhile, the WCW fans left. So it was about even. But when the WWF fans finally returned home(instead of continuing watching an imitation), the WCW fans were not there to maintain things, the drop was gigantic. A lot of TNA fans were WCW fans and they like old stars, nostlagia, and stuff like that. They like the swerves and surprises and "big TV moments" that you have to tune it to watch. Because that is what Jarrett gave them for a long time. These fans may find this new TNA/Impact too sanitized. There is something to this in my life I’ve known 2 actual real-life TNA/Impact fans: the 1st is in his mid 50’s was a huge wcw fan hates and never watches wwe has never been on the internet once in his life has no clue about what’s going on behind the scenes he started losing interest in tna the end of the spike tv run and he didn’t get destination America so he came back when they went to pop tv but gave up after a couple months due to finding it completely uninteresting and he hasn’t watched wrestling in a couple years now. the 2nd is in his early 30’s loved both WWF & WCW as a child but lost interest in WWF post Mania 17 and TNA became his promotion again he doesn’t know any behind the scenes news he just watches his wrestling show each week and he would always buy the ppv’s including the One Night Only’s.Over the last couple years his interest has really decreased as he’s seen a lot of the people he liked leave tna or just retire and he recently told me that the current company is full of geeks and has no stars and to him it doesn’t he hasn’t watched Wwe in almost 2 decades and he doesn’t watch Lucha underground or indies or NJPW he doesn’t care about that.He doesn’t care about guys having “great matches” for the sake of great matches he wants a show with interesting characters that he cares about involved in interesting stories on a fun show that feels like it matters.He gave it another try with the post slammiversay show and he was bored out of his mind and hasn’t watched since and has no interest to watch again. That is very old school and yea that seem to equal the WCW fans or NWA fans. They had the guys that they had watched all their lives like Flair and Arn and they had the stars coming from everywhere like Japan and the WWF. TNA tried to be that by bringing in the old stars from WCW and the WWF/E but this could not be maintained without Spike's money. And guys like AJ and Roode and Joe and so forth were to TNA what Arn and Flair were to WCW. So when you lose the big stars and the homegrown guys, that fanbase was not interested anymore. Unfortunetely, a promotion that WCW and TNA fans may like is an expensive one and could only exist with big money coming in and a rich owner with unlimited means. |
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 18, 2018 22:53:50 GMT -5
I could potentially see that except, if I recall correctly, the downturn was already well underway far before D'Amore and Callis took over. The TNA brand was becoming poisonous for a good, long while and viewership was falling for a whole combination of reasons, but I think that cake was already baked before the switch to the current regime. It really seems that Impact's TV woes right now stem largely from how horribly Dixie botched the relationships with the other, more visible networks they had been on previously, leaving Pop, a niche station already that has become even harder to access this month as many providers have dropped it from their main packages (at least temporarily). Plain and simply, many people can't find them, and others can't access them, and Pop being dropped from a lot of providers this month is clearly poison for Impact's numbers, regardless of show quality. Put another way, there's a large audience out there that will potentially watch a weekly pro wrestling show so long as it's easily accessible (see: Impact getting over 1 million viewers even during its lowest points creatively during its Spike run); it's how Raw can still draw over 2.5 million viewers, people will just put it on because it's there. Once you shift over to a smaller channel, worse timeslot, etc., plain and simply your audience pool shrinks. No doubt what you said plays a big part. But consider when TNA finally had their act together during Hogan's tenure around 2012 after the craziness stopped. Everybody was praising them yet the ratings took a fall. During that time, there was a dispute between DirecTV and Spike IIRC, and 500,000 homes couldn't get Impact. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 19, 2018 1:46:53 GMT -5
The thing is... TNA has never really has it's own identity.
They were always the copycats of other more successful things.
Russo Era wcw
The attitude era
Modern wwe
Monday night wars wcw.
RoH/New Japan
Etc.
RoH is the one that treats it like a sport
Lucha Underground like a television show
WWE sports entertainment side show
There really has never been a big TNA identity.
The closest they had was the x division and AJ Styles and they burned both of those ages ago.
Other than that the thing most associated with the company is failure and ineptitude and you can't really build a brand with that.
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