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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 4, 2018 2:47:23 GMT -5
LU is a tv show based on wrestling, akin to the GLOW revival rather than a promotion. It wouldn't hold up if the shows were live as it's easy to look good with heavy editing. Calling it a TV show isn't a criticism, that may be the future for non WWE wrestling on TV.
Ric Flair worked the wrestling press better than any matches he had during the 90s. He left WCW with their world title, which would have been unforgivable for anyone else, but he got a pass because Jim Herd was the first guy in wrestling to pitch bad ideas. He managed to be the hero whoever was running wcw and only years later did we hear what a manchild Flair could be when new blood began reporting and old guys did shoot videos explaining how Flair was always kind of a conman.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 4, 2018 6:32:11 GMT -5
Boogeyman was awesome.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Sept 4, 2018 6:38:38 GMT -5
99% of people who claim to hate Kenny/Cody/The Bucks are simply contrarian edgelords trying to be different. It pretty much always comes off as "Look at me! I have an opinion different than the popular one!", not even remotely genuine.
I don't like Terry Bollea or Jim Hellwig, but I will always love Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior.
Ronda Rousey isn't good and never will be.
Bret Hart was every bit as bad as Shawn Michaels behind the scenes, possibly worse. And in the years since retirement, Hart has become an unbearable curmudgeon.
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Post by KobashiChop on Sept 4, 2018 7:12:23 GMT -5
Women's wrestling is graded on a much softer scale in the WWE and people give it a pass for fear of being seen as sexist.
Take away about 6 or 7 women on the main roster and they're f***ing garbage. Becky, Bayley, Sasha, Ember, Asuka, Charlotte and Ruby Riott are the only ones who bring anything in.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Sept 4, 2018 7:16:16 GMT -5
Candace LeRae is overrated and runs the ropes/corner bumps on the same level as Velvet Sky.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 4, 2018 8:08:50 GMT -5
I never cared for the design of the "Undisputed Belt" that JBL and Eddie Guerrero carried around. (FTR, my favorite belts ever are the Attitude WWF belt, the WWE Intercontinental, and the NWA/WCW Big Gold.)
Miz isn't a high-impact elite level worker, but he is a solid pro wrestler.
Razor Ramon should have been more of a main eventer during The New Generation.
People sleep on just how great Sasha Banks has consistently been.
I believe there's room for all kinds of wrestling. Lucha Underground does a good job with its crazy fantasy approach, NJPW and ROH know how to put on fun and more realistic products while WWE is mostly realistic with a dash of camp and glitz. There are so many styles of pro wrestling, and I'm loving how there's something for every type of fan these days.
"Straight-up fight" wrestling is exciting, but I'm fine with comedy wrestling and playing to crowds if the performers are charismatic and the gags are well crafted.
Roman Reigns is a very talented worker, who could be a much more over main eventer if his booking wasn't so forced. And I feel he's more charismatic than his writing's allowed him to be.
HHH's "Reign of Terror" and his slowdown shortly after the quad tear have smoke-screened just how great a wrestler he is.
I'm loving NJPW right now, but some of the head and neck bumps have GOT to stop. We saw what happened to Hiromu at the Cow Palace show, and Naito was taking some head drops from Kota during the G1 that are going to leave him in bad shape once he retires. It's the same thing with that Shibata head butt. Some spots just aren't necessary, and the tease of these dangerous moves are more than enough for crowds usually. Kenny Omega is the man, but he doesn't need to be dragon suplexing Ishii through a table to the floor.
Speaking of Tetsuya Naito, I don't feel his booking has been that damaging to him. He's already an icon at this point, and even though it was brief he can still call himself a former IWGP Heavyweight Champ. The fact that top-tier guys like him and Ishii, Suzuki, etc. haven't yet been able to capture the belt makes it more prestigious and elusive, IMO.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 4, 2018 8:46:08 GMT -5
Dixie Carter wasn't a lowlife carny coming into wrestling, but the sea of opportunists from within the industry that gave her advice that only benefited them made her become every bit as crappy as they are. Hogan, Russo, Bischoff, Dusty, the Jarretts, Mantell, Prichard, Nash and countless others helped make her what she became. This is what old school wrestling minds do to those around them, by and large, opportunistic carnies helped build the WWE monopoly by running the competition into the ground and why we're better off as most of them retire or are exiled from the sport in favour of professionals and people who are capable of thinking long term... About things other than their own pockets in the short term.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 4, 2018 10:16:14 GMT -5
Dixie Carter wasn't a lowlife carny coming into wrestling, but the sea of opportunists from within the industry that gave her advice that only benefited them made her become every bit as crappy as they are. Hogan, Russo, Bischoff, Dusty, the Jarretts, Mantell, Prichard, Nash and countless others helped make her what she became. This is what old school wrestling minds do to those around them, by and large, opportunistic carnies helped build the WWE monopoly by running the competition into the ground and why we're better off as most of them retire or are exiled from the sport in favour of professionals and people who are capable of thinking long term... About things other than their own pockets in the short term. She might not have been a carny but she was pretty ditzy Still tho you can say they influenced her carny but she took that shit way further then a lot of people (defaulting on credit card for the company, cheating billy Corgan out his money with lies, the take it or leave it to the roster, trying to get a reality show etc...) I believe that southern belle/charm was a rouse and she always had this side to her but she got the benefit of doubt by acting clueless
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 4, 2018 10:49:57 GMT -5
Dixie Carter wasn't a lowlife carny coming into wrestling, but the sea of opportunists from within the industry that gave her advice that only benefited them made her become every bit as crappy as they are. Hogan, Russo, Bischoff, Dusty, the Jarretts, Mantell, Prichard, Nash and countless others helped make her what she became. This is what old school wrestling minds do to those around them, by and large, opportunistic carnies helped build the WWE monopoly by running the competition into the ground and why we're better off as most of them retire or are exiled from the sport in favour of professionals and people who are capable of thinking long term... About things other than their own pockets in the short term. She might not have been a carny but she was pretty ditzy Still tho you can say they influenced her carny but she took that shit way further then a lot of people (defaulting on credit card for the company, cheating billy Corgan out his money with lies, the take it or leave it to the roster, trying to get a reality show etc...) I believe that southern belle/charm was a rouse and she always had this side to her but she got the benefit of doubt by acting clueless Doesn't change the fact she's far from the first wrestling promoter to cheat talent, investors, other promoters, shitty behaviour happened so often it became common practice. There is no excusing anything Dixie has done, but to pretend she is anything close to the worst is laughable. She's not the worst, she's the most recent and had her misdeeds laid out for all the world to see as they happened, that's all. Compare it to Heyman, who did worse, we're still learning about what a nasty piece of work he was and how he screwed people as ECW burned. As for Dixie secretly being Machiavelli? Nah, she was out if her depth running anything and got taken for a ride, she then took the expensive lesson dealing with wrestling people taught her and passed it along. It's sleazy as hell, but that's wrestling. The sooner the sleazy, carny side of wrestling dies, the better.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 4, 2018 10:57:47 GMT -5
She might not have been a carny but she was pretty ditzy Still tho you can say they influenced her carny but she took that shit way further then a lot of people (defaulting on credit card for the company, cheating billy Corgan out his money with lies, the take it or leave it to the roster, trying to get a reality show etc...) I believe that southern belle/charm was a rouse and she always had this side to her but she got the benefit of doubt by acting clueless Doesn't change the fact she's far from the first wrestling promoter to cheat talent, investors, other promoters, shitty behaviour happened so often it became common practice. There is no excusing anything Dixie has done, but to pretend she is anything close to the worst is laughable. She's not the worst, she's the most recent and had her misdeeds laid out for all the world to see as they happened, that's all. Compare it to Heyman, who did worse, we're still learning about what a nasty piece of work he was and how he screwed people as ECW burned. As for Dixie secretly being Machiavelli? Nah, she was out if her depth running anything and got taken for a ride, she then took the expensive lesson dealing with wrestling people taught her and passed it along. It's sleazy as hell, but that's wrestling. The sooner the sleazy, carny side of wrestling dies, the better. Nah not saying she’s the worst at all her. However, to write her off as saying well she was like everyone else and is the “lesser evil” is incorrect. Did Russo teach her how to lie to someone for money, create a big charade (going to the boys in the back and saying Corgan will be boss), and just generally manipulate people? Heyman lies to talent and she did so as well. Heyman let drug fiends parade all around the ring while Dixie did the same thing. Hell, I’ll probably create a compare and contrast for Dixie and Heyman. However, I do agree it’s sleazy and the quicker that dies the better.
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Post by hyperstorm on Sept 4, 2018 14:11:15 GMT -5
The Big Gold Belt looks like shit.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 4, 2018 16:00:10 GMT -5
Doesn't change the fact she's far from the first wrestling promoter to cheat talent, investors, other promoters, shitty behaviour happened so often it became common practice. There is no excusing anything Dixie has done, but to pretend she is anything close to the worst is laughable. She's not the worst, she's the most recent and had her misdeeds laid out for all the world to see as they happened, that's all. Compare it to Heyman, who did worse, we're still learning about what a nasty piece of work he was and how he screwed people as ECW burned. As for Dixie secretly being Machiavelli? Nah, she was out if her depth running anything and got taken for a ride, she then took the expensive lesson dealing with wrestling people taught her and passed it along. It's sleazy as hell, but that's wrestling. The sooner the sleazy, carny side of wrestling dies, the better. Nah not saying she’s the worst at all her. However, to write her off as saying well she was like everyone else and is the “lesser evil” is incorrect. Did Russo teach her how to lie to someone for money, create a big charade (going to the boys in the back and saying Corgan will be boss), and just generally manipulate people? Heyman lies to talent and she did so as well. Heyman let drug fiends parade all around the ring while Dixie did the same thing. Hell, I’ll probably create a compare and contrast for Dixie and Heyman. However, I do agree it’s sleazy and the quicker that dies the better. History's not going to be as kind to Heyman as one may have thought a few years back.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Sept 4, 2018 17:06:37 GMT -5
I'm loving NJPW right now, but some of the head and neck bumps have GOT to stop. We saw what happened to Hiromu at the Cow Palace show, and Naito was taking some head drops from Kota during the G1 that are going to leave him in bad shape once he retires. It's the same thing with that Shibata head butt. Some spots just aren't necessary, and the tease of these dangerous moves are more than enough for crowds usually. Kenny Omega is the man, but he doesn't need to be dragon suplexing Ishii through a table to the floor. I could not agree more. Kota's deadlift German Superplex is honestly ridiculous and everytime he does it I expect someone to die. The list of wrestlers who can do and take those sorts of moves safely and without it mounting up in the future is basically nobody, when someone as good as Omega is right now still gets hurt from that style.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 4, 2018 17:09:33 GMT -5
I'm loving NJPW right now, but some of the head and neck bumps have GOT to stop. We saw what happened to Hiromu at the Cow Palace show, and Naito was taking some head drops from Kota during the G1 that are going to leave him in bad shape once he retires. It's the same thing with that Shibata head butt. Some spots just aren't necessary, and the tease of these dangerous moves are more than enough for crowds usually. Kenny Omega is the man, but he doesn't need to be dragon suplexing Ishii through a table to the floor. I could not agree more. Kota's deadlift German Superplex is honestly ridiculous and everytime he does it I expect someone to die. The list of wrestlers who can do and take those sorts of moves safely and without it mounting up in the future is basically nobody, when someone as good as Omega is right now still gets hurt from that style. There were a couple times in the Tanahashi G1 match where it looked like Kota killed the dude.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 4, 2018 17:10:46 GMT -5
Also, while I'm mentioning Kota and unpopular opinions...
...I find Kota kind of creepy, the way it seems like he just doesn't talk (at least what I've seen of him).
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Sept 4, 2018 19:04:12 GMT -5
I'm loving NJPW right now, but some of the head and neck bumps have GOT to stop. We saw what happened to Hiromu at the Cow Palace show, and Naito was taking some head drops from Kota during the G1 that are going to leave him in bad shape once he retires. It's the same thing with that Shibata head butt. Some spots just aren't necessary, and the tease of these dangerous moves are more than enough for crowds usually. Kenny Omega is the man, but he doesn't need to be dragon suplexing Ishii through a table to the floor. I could not agree more. Kota's deadlift German Superplex is honestly ridiculous and everytime he does it I expect someone to die. The list of wrestlers who can do and take those sorts of moves safely and without it mounting up in the future is basically nobody, when someone as good as Omega is right now still gets hurt from that style. The big thing to me is just how frequently they're done. Like most things in wrestling such as blading, they are acceptable and even add to the match in some cases, but usually they're just there to be there.
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Post by Tiiulicious on Sept 4, 2018 19:10:31 GMT -5
Undertaker is the most overrated sack of shit wrestler I've ever seen and he's had less than five worthwhile matches in his career. He should retire and never come back. New Day bores me and the pancake thing is the exact opposite of funny. EC3 is terrible in the ring and looks roided up as hell. Asuka is alright but I've never seen anything special in her. Cedric is boring and makes every match he's in boring just by being in it. He's a charisma vacuum. WWE f***ed up by not signing Tessa Blanchard. She's way better already than Charlotte will ever be. Bayley is a mediocre wrestler and her infantile gimmick needs to be retired for good.
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Sept 4, 2018 19:41:16 GMT -5
I think Vince Russo gets more crap than he deserves for some of his ideas in WCW. Knowing that the David Arquette title win suggestion was just a joke, a lot of his booking ideas afterwards come across as "let's see what they'll let me get away with", rather than thinking that all of his ideas are good.
For all the people here saying guys like Joey Ryan and Kenny Omega are cancers, I think the real cancer to wrestling is Brock Lesnar. He demands ludicrous sums of money for minimal work, he'll only put you over if he likes you (f*** that "he'll do anything if he's paid" bullshit, he's proven multiple times that even with the money, Brock'll just do what benefits Brock), he doesn't pull his punches, and he'll just get in people's faces and push them around if they try to confront him on it. He's a manchild who does the same things guys like Hulk Hogan and Shawn Michaels get buried for, yet people on the board defend him for it, because he's "smart". No, he's lazy. I realize that the "I'm just glad to be here" mentality means guys get walked on by management, but if you DON'T want to be there, and you DON'T want to do your job like everyone else, there's the door. Get the f*** out.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Sept 4, 2018 20:40:31 GMT -5
99% of people who claim to hate Kenny/Cody/The Bucks are simply contrarian edgelords trying to be different. It pretty much always comes off as "Look at me! I have an opinion different than the popular one!", not even remotely genuine. Ah ok cool thanks. I was wondering if I actually legitimately disliked them based on merit/opinion but this clears things up for me.
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Post by WWEedy on Sept 4, 2018 21:44:48 GMT -5
99% of people who claim to hate Kenny/Cody/The Bucks are simply contrarian edgelords trying to be different. It pretty much always comes off as "Look at me! I have an opinion different than the popular one!", not even remotely genuine. Ronda Rousey isn't good and never will be. Funnily enough I feel the same way about people who say the same things about Rhonda.
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