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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 7, 2018 19:43:12 GMT -5
If I’m not mistaken, the royal rumble wasn’t that big money drawing event, they had to drastically lower the prizes just to fill it. It was basically more of a presentation than anything. There's a video with Jim Cornette breaking down the business side of the 1997 Royal Rumble. About 47,000 paid attendance and a $480,000 gate. So obviously that's people paying on average a little over $10 for a ticket. And that's not including the 12,000 tickets they gave away for free. Even adjusting for inflation that ain't great for a crowd that big. That’s another argument for HBK being horrible for business as the main event.
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Post by Larryhausen on Sept 7, 2018 22:08:42 GMT -5
I'll piggyback off all the WM IX talk and say it's actually one of my favorite WWF PPVs. It's just goofy ass fun. No no no no It ain’t fun, wm 9 is what they show to wrestling fans in hell. We had Giant Gonzalez, Steiner dropping a Samoan on his head, Hulk Hogan stinking up the joint with Brutus, Razor and Backlund wrestling for a minute. The only thing resembling a good match was Shawn against Tatanka. I love that show. It's stupid fun, with a few really good matches in the card, and just enough extravagant hilarity.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Sept 8, 2018 0:38:22 GMT -5
I really liked D-Generation X: In Your House. Nothing truly mindblowing on that PPV, but the matches are all enjoyable. As a kid I would throw it into the VCR and watch a little bit before bed, even after having seen the show multiple times already.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Sept 8, 2018 3:49:33 GMT -5
The Ultimate Warrior's entrance was more exciting and entertaining than the entirety of some wrestlers careers.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 8, 2018 4:35:09 GMT -5
I hate hardcore wrestling and I hate matches where people stiff the hell ot of one another. The aim of wrestling is to make it look like you're hurting your opponents without doing so, if you can't gave a good looking match without shaving a decade off your physical peak or that of your opponent by battering them with garbage or actual blows then you have no business being in the ring.
Bob Holly should have done jail time for what he did to Rene Dupree. He went out and battered a co-worker, it does not matter why he did it, or if he warned people beforehand. He went out there with the intention of leaving a co-worker bloody, concussed and black and blue in a premeditated assault, that is the action of a dangerous lunatic. Holly had zero issues going to 'Wrestlers court' over petty BS, but instead he assaulted Dupree because he knew he could get away with it like the piece of s**t bully that he is.
On the subject of 'wrestlers court', that is one of the many reasons I have no respect for the Undertaker. It was simply another means for him and his buddies to torture rookies for breaking rules that were never explained to them, to get free drinks from people on a fraction of what top guys make or just to punish people for getting a push they were seen as undeserving of... A system propped up by Taker, who went straight from the WCW undercard to the world title scene in the WWF, and Bradshaw, whose unwanted main event run murdered Smackdown as a brand, punished people for being pushed too soon... Give me a break. It's telling how much happier everyone is now they and their idiotic system are gone, you don't have guys melting down every few months or just up and quitting like Lesnar and Palmer Cannon.
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Post by Glitch on Sept 8, 2018 5:08:52 GMT -5
Nxt is boring, and is mostly praised because of how bad the main wwe shows are.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Sept 9, 2018 9:56:15 GMT -5
Kawada was the best of the Four Pillars of Heaven. He had Misawa's presence, believability and intensity combined with selling even better than Kobashi's.
Okada was at his best in his 2012-13 cocky young gun heel run where he never really spoke and was just generally the smug asshole trying to take the crown, rather than the new Ace. His matches were also more interesting as he used a greater repertoire of holds but still all with the goal of wearing down the opponent's neck.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Sept 9, 2018 12:47:51 GMT -5
Misawa is one of the worst wrestlers in history. Working snug is one thing, straight up beating the shit out of people and dropping them on their heads multiple times a match is just being an asshole. If he had been from any other country in the world, he would be regarded as a complete piece of shit, but being Japanese made Meltzer and all his cronies cream their drawers.
Related to that: Meltzer is nothing more than a dude who makes vaguely educated guesses and passes on things he hears from fans. He's the wrestling equivalent of supermarket tabloids.
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Post by petef3 on Sept 10, 2018 12:11:23 GMT -5
Try not to cut yourself on that edge there.
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Post by blissified on Sept 10, 2018 13:25:31 GMT -5
Wonder how many people that loved the Joey Ryan stuff at All In.. would read WWE the riot act over the same thing?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 10, 2018 13:40:02 GMT -5
Sarge from WCW's PowerPlant and Bill DeMott have killed more careers than Hulk Hogan, The Kliq and Vince Russo booking combined. They drove off two generations of talent between them and the majority of those who did make it to the main roster had great bodies but were lacking in major ways.
Jeff Jarrett would have held the Smackdown world title more than once had he remained in the WWF. He would have been the go-to guy for a transtional champion who lays down for guys like Eddie or Jeff Hardy.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 10, 2018 13:56:22 GMT -5
Nxt is boring, and is mostly praised because of how bad the main wwe shows are. I disagree
There are people who will only watch the PPV and not the TV show but can easily follow along with what's going thanks to how good NXT does in their presentation factors
It's not about how bad the main show can be but how NXT raises the bar and hardly if ever had a Takeover that was boring
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Post by Rican on Sept 10, 2018 14:39:32 GMT -5
-Secondary championships like the Intercontinental and United States championships are an outdated concept. It's just a bunch of guys not currently in the main event fighting for second place.
-The Nexus should have been rather quickly revealed to be someone like Triple H or CM Punk's army. Cena deserves flack for burying them at Summerslam but after Bryan was released none of those guys should have been trusted to carry a main event program in the ring and the angle ultimately not working has more to do with that.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 10, 2018 15:59:01 GMT -5
In terms of production values, RAW always looked like shit compared to Nitro during the MNW.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 16:16:04 GMT -5
Wonder how many people that loved the Joey Ryan stuff at All In.. would read WWE the riot act over the same thing? Maybe several? Who knows? Would they then have to apologize to the group?
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Post by thirteen3 on Sept 10, 2018 16:30:14 GMT -5
In terms of production values, RAW always looked like shit compared to Nitro during the MNW. This thread is about opinions not objective facts. That's what it looks like when your owned by a billion dollar conglomerate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 16:34:52 GMT -5
WWE programming is definitely flawed, but it's still the best put together, best booked product available with a much more entertaining collection of workers and matches than any other promotion around, by some margin.
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Post by petef3 on Sept 10, 2018 18:33:38 GMT -5
Now that I'm off mobile let me expand a bit: Misawa was getting rave notices in the mid-'80s, years before he did a single head-drop, so that had nothing to do with his fame. While I don't like how AJPW increased their emphasis on head-dropping as the '90s went on, you also can't really argue that Misawa didn't take as much as he dished out--it's not like he was spiking people on their heads but refusing to take bumps himself. On the contrary, Kawada and Dr. Death were far more prone to spike Misawa on his head and neck than vice versa. Of course, the "Meltzer only likes him because he's Japanese" is just about the lamest and most played-out criticism imaginable at this point.
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Post by rrg251 on Sept 10, 2018 22:05:38 GMT -5
I really like those Amazing Red/SAT/Divine Storm/Special K Scramble matches from early ROH
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 10, 2018 22:10:32 GMT -5
Adam Bomb was one of my favorites in that era.
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