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Post by Larryhausen on Sept 2, 2018 20:20:48 GMT -5
This applies to more then wrestling, but I absolutely despise the terms underrated and overrated. To me, they come across as elitist and holier than thou
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Post by dirkburton on Sept 2, 2018 20:21:28 GMT -5
It's not a kilt...it's a SKIRT! ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/hJaSRHRRPvg9W/giphy.gif)
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Post by thetower52 on Sept 2, 2018 20:47:30 GMT -5
The young bucks have never had an original idea in their lives, everything they’ve ever done is ripping off something that worked in the past, left to their own devices and without any gimmick to steal from, they fail just like they did in tna. They can’t come up with anything original. I think that if they ever join the wwe and have to come up with original stuff for their gimmicks, they’ll suffer a slow miserable death, kinda like what Anderson and Gallows are experiencing. I think Gallows and Anderson have much more creativity but there creativity seems more adult oriented. Tex/sex furgeson and chad 2 Bad I think are funny as shit
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 2, 2018 21:09:49 GMT -5
He will never be a main eventer in the wwe. He’s too small and not charismatic enough for the wwe audience. He tried a million diferent characters and ideas, still the vast majority of the fans didn’t care and that’s why he never moved past the mid card scene. If Dusty was alive he would tell his son, “Nah babeh that’s for somebody else, you’re no star.” That’s your opinion just like this is mine While I’m not a big fan of Cody’s ring work, he’s no doubt showed on the indies he has star qualities in how he carries himself. He had the ability to jump up in the main event in WWE but just never got over that threshold There’s nothing wrong with him coming back to be a mid carder but I believe he can jump up as he’s shown he can carry himself like a star around the world which holds weight He’s a main eventer everwhere he wants to work in, except the wwe. For some reason, that audience will never believe in him and the poor guy tried everything.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 2, 2018 21:10:38 GMT -5
The young bucks have never had an original idea in their lives, everything they’ve ever done is ripping off something that worked in the past, left to their own devices and without any gimmick to steal from, they fail just like they did in tna. They can’t come up with anything original. I think that if they ever join the wwe and have to come up with original stuff for their gimmicks, they’ll suffer a slow miserable death, kinda like what Anderson and Gallows are experiencing. I think Gallows and Anderson have much more creativity but there creativity seems more adult oriented. Tex/sex furgeson and chad 2 Bad I think are funny as shit Gallows more so than Karl, would’ve been a main eventer back in the attitude era.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Sept 2, 2018 21:34:18 GMT -5
I despise nearly everything I've seen from Stone Cold Steve Austin. His antics. His look (daisy dukes, vest, and a chain?). His promos. Everything. He was a huge part of why I ignored wrestling for as long as I did as a kid.
Even today whenever they do flashbacks like beating up McMahon in a hospital or the store brawl I roll my eyes at how terrible it is to me.
Funny enough, I don't mind when he shows up nowadays. But his old stuff is so bad to me.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Sept 2, 2018 21:36:35 GMT -5
I still love the original ECW. Yes, it's of it's time, and headshots bad blah, blah, blah.....fine. Don't care. Still love that shit. To me it was the closest thing wrestling had to punk rock.
For that matter, still love the Attitude Era. Yes, once again, it's of its time, and doesn't fit into the 2018 mindset blah, blah, blah. Don't care. I still love it, and am legit sad that WWE will never be that exciting again.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 2, 2018 21:41:09 GMT -5
Bruiser Brody is only remembered fondly because he got killed, in reality most of his peers saw him as an asshole and a bully, they still worked in wwc and with Invader.
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Post by bob on Sept 2, 2018 21:53:37 GMT -5
The Ultimate Warrior and Rick Rude were underrated
original ECW is overrated
in Hogan's first WWF run if you saw 1 of his matches you saw all of them for the most part
3 Count with Tank Abbott were awesome
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Sept 2, 2018 21:55:04 GMT -5
Yeah, it kills me when people blast WWE/TNA for having dumb, nonsensical storylines, as if they're expecting some intricate Game of Thrones-like writing out companies that, for the most part in their history, have made it a habit of producing dumb/nonsensical product for the last 20 years. More often than not, unless you have either a wrestling mind like Paul Heyman, or a star who kind of comes up with their own shit (Triple H/HBK/Jericho/other stars that can come in and call their own shots, but have enough knowledge of the business and what works to come up with great shit for themselves), the shows have been, by and large, stupid and nonsensical. Quit expecting great writing out of WWE/TNA. You're only going to be disappointed every week. Why? Because other than a few BIG MATCHES that they want to build towards, most of that shit is made up week to week. Shit can change on a dime based on the opinions of 1-2 people at the top. The writers then have to try and make sense of those opinions/desires. A lot of that that ends up being very dumb and contradictory, but it's because there's no long term planning to any of it. Just relax and enjoy the stupidity. Don't take it so seriously. Wrestling/Sports Entertainment, by and large, is kind of stupid and has been for a looooong time now. Enjoy the great shit and quit freaking out over the dumb shit. You want more intricate writing and character work in your Sports Entertainment. Go watch Lucha Underground.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 21:55:36 GMT -5
Women's wrestling was TERRIBLE in WWE virtually throughout the 2000s with very few exceptions, and the idea of having to pretend people like Maria "paved the way" for anything is freaking hilarious. Mediocre talents like Beth Phoenix get praised as Hall of Famers because people were desperately starved for anything good, confusing someone who could have cool moments with someone who could have good matches.
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Post by tenshi on Sept 2, 2018 22:10:11 GMT -5
Here are some:
1. All In was essentially made so Cody Rhodes could prove to Dave Meltzer that he could be a big draw... and the show was as big as it was because of the other wrestlers involved in it, not Cody himself.
2. All In was good but it doesn't have a match that one must drop whatever they're doing and go watch. It was pretty good but it's not one of the great shows of the year.
3. AJ Styles and Shinsuke Nakamura were victims of their own hype at WrestleMania. They had good matches over the WWE title and, while there were parts when they felt underwhelming, chances are that they feel that way because we know they can do better. Just because their matches in WWE weren't as good as their stuff in New Japan doesn't mean that they weren't good.
4. People put too much weight on Meltzer's star system. Dave Meltzer knows what he likes but taking his word as gospel and treating Omega and Okada as the best damn pro wrestlers ever because a middle aged man felt tingly when he saw them wrestle is a bit over the top. Then again, wrestling should be about giving the fans a good show and tell a story, not please one critic and wait for him to give you an imaginary reward for your efforts.
5. Shibata should've won the G1 Climax instead of Omega, having his crowning moment at Wrestle Kingdom and finally being forgiven for his past.
6. I don't see the big deal about Pentagon Jr. Just because you scream that you're fearless and call people faggots in Spanish doesn't make you a badass and most of his offense can be done by anyone else in the indies with similar results. What he has is presence and that goes out of the window when everyone else is a badass out there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 22:13:13 GMT -5
Doesn't appear that sacrilegious now with everyone else1 talking about All In, but my major feeling (aside from apathy/dislike of 95% of the talent) is that the Bucks/Cody are in a bubble that will inevitably burst and I think this with no obvious follow up will lead to that happening more quickly. Where do they go from here?
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Post by Larryhausen on Sept 2, 2018 22:13:24 GMT -5
I have a very good set of blinders. If the storyline sucks, but the match is awesome, cool, I'll just watch the match. The match sucked, but the buildup was awesome? That makes the match a lot better. There's no storyline, and this is just a dream match? I'll check it out. If it's fun to watch, then f***ing a. If it shits the bed, I don't have to watch it again.
When I filter out the things I don't like, there's still WAYYYYYYY more things I do like. When that scale tips the other way, I'll stop watching.
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Post by the2ndevil on Sept 2, 2018 22:24:14 GMT -5
Time for me to make friends and influence people!
I found the final card of the All In show to be 100% unappealing, and looking at the results, I do not feel like I missed much of anything, other than a bunch of literal dicks, which I see more as a blessing than a curse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 22:24:47 GMT -5
I have no problem being a selfish fan. If booking dictates one guy should go over but the other does, and I'm a fan of the other, I still mark out like a kid.
Kinda related but the only guy in the reign of terror that should have beaten Hunter and didn't was Booker, and that was because of the horrible direction booking took. If the racial side werent there, that match was booked correctly. Noone else was able to carry a brand or able to work hurt at a time with little star power.
Rock did more damage than good for WWE in the long run with the company's obsession in turning it's babyface stars into wisecracking Rock clones. His promos were awful when he stopped actually hyping matches and just buried guys with catchphrases about monkey nipples.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Sept 2, 2018 22:24:48 GMT -5
Omega is a top 50 wrestler at best and having one of the worst IWGP reigns ever, and the BC is a cancerous influence on NJPW. (And he’s still good lol)
Gedo is a bad booker.
WWE, for the large part, isn’t out of touch. They know exactly what they are doing and take that as you will.
Top ten women’s wrestlers are all in Japan outside Becky
Okada is great, but only in one gear. The gap between Miyahara and him is gigantic.
Ishikawa should win the G1.
Kensuke Sasaki is the GOAT
Inokiism was nowhere near as bad as people who didn’t watch say, and that claim ignores SO much about the business in Japan
We need to look at who promotions and shows are geared towards before we slam them. All In had a lot of bad matches and talent—it also hit every note for the fans that went. It was a success and should be celebrated even though I hate everyone involved lol
I hate these threads.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 23:00:25 GMT -5
Doesn't appear that sacrilegious now with everyone else1 talking about All In, but my major feeling (aside from apathy/dislike of 95% of the talent) is that the Bucks/Cody are in a bubble that will inevitably burst and I think this with no obvious follow up will lead to that happening more quickly. Where do they go from here? Yeah, I think the novelty of a big non-WWE super show will wear off and future All Ins (assuming they happen) will be viable but not nearly as big as the first one. We're already seeing signs of that with the NJPW shows in the US. Their upcoming Long Beach show is bombing at the box office when earlier this year they sold out a show in the same building within hours. Not to make it sound like I'm shitting on those products but drawing big crowds isn't sustainable when it's only a few hundred thousand people watching the show.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 2, 2018 23:01:46 GMT -5
Yeah, it kills me when people blast WWE/TNA for having dumb, nonsensical storylines, as if they're expecting some intricate Game of Thrones-like writing out companies that, for the most part in their history, have made it a habit of producing dumb/nonsensical product for the last 20 years. More often than not, unless you have either a wrestling mind like Paul Heyman, or a star who kind of comes up with their own shit (Triple H/HBK/Jericho/other stars that can come in and call their own shots, but have enough knowledge of the business and what works to come up with great shit for themselves), the shows have been, by and large, stupid and nonsensical. Quit expecting great writing out of WWE/TNA. You're only going to be disappointed every week. Why? Because other than a few BIG MATCHES that they want to build towards, most of that shit is made up week to week. Shit can change on a dime based on the opinions of 1-2 people at the top. The writers then have to try and make sense of those opinions/desires. A lot of that that ends up being very dumb and contradictory, but it's because there's no long term planning to any of it. Just relax and enjoy the stupidity. Don't take it so seriously. Wrestling/Sports Entertainment, by and large, is kind of stupid and has been for a looooong time now. Enjoy the great shit and quit freaking out over the dumb shit. You want more intricate writing and character work in your Sports Entertainment. Go watch Lucha Underground. Well they don’t write awesome intricate storylines because no decent writer wants to work there, between wwe’s shit reputation treating writers and firing them, Vince only gets the bottom of the barrel.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Sept 2, 2018 23:11:21 GMT -5
Yeah, it kills me when people blast WWE/TNA for having dumb, nonsensical storylines, as if they're expecting some intricate Game of Thrones-like writing out companies that, for the most part in their history, have made it a habit of producing dumb/nonsensical product for the last 20 years. More often than not, unless you have either a wrestling mind like Paul Heyman, or a star who kind of comes up with their own shit (Triple H/HBK/Jericho/other stars that can come in and call their own shots, but have enough knowledge of the business and what works to come up with great shit for themselves), the shows have been, by and large, stupid and nonsensical. Quit expecting great writing out of WWE/TNA. You're only going to be disappointed every week. Why? Because other than a few BIG MATCHES that they want to build towards, most of that shit is made up week to week. Shit can change on a dime based on the opinions of 1-2 people at the top. The writers then have to try and make sense of those opinions/desires. A lot of that that ends up being very dumb and contradictory, but it's because there's no long term planning to any of it. Just relax and enjoy the stupidity. Don't take it so seriously. Wrestling/Sports Entertainment, by and large, is kind of stupid and has been for a looooong time now. Enjoy the great shit and quit freaking out over the dumb shit. You want more intricate writing and character work in your Sports Entertainment. Go watch Lucha Underground. Well they don’t write awesome intricate storylines because no decent writer wants to work there, between wwe’s shit reputation treating writers and firing them, Vince only gets the bottom of the barrel. He wants them young and disposable if need be, with Yes Men guiding them to write what will make Vince relatively happy.
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