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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 2, 2018 23:18:53 GMT -5
Well they don’t write awesome intricate storylines because no decent writer wants to work there, between wwe’s shit reputation treating writers and firing them, Vince only gets the bottom of the barrel. He wants them young and disposable if need be, with Yes Men guiding them to write what will make Vince relatively happy. Prichard recently admitted by accident that they start just being flunkies, a writer’s assistant basically is codeword for carrying water and doing errands, which serious writer wants to work on that shithole?
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Post by WWEedy on Sept 2, 2018 23:19:54 GMT -5
All In was a self indulgent mess where a bunch of guys who the mainstream wrestling audience don't care about in the slightest put themselves over in front of a bunch of people who they're already over with in storylines and angles based around a YouTube series that barely anyone in the grand scheme of things watches. They're not taking over, they're not great businessmen and the whole thing was a load of nothing. People comparing it to the first Nitro or other monumental moments in wrestling couldn't be further from the truth and the WWE do not and will never care. Absolutely no offense intended, but a bunch of guys took a niche product that they built up themselves, and sold 10,000 tickets, meet and greets, and ppv buys to the audience they have, and probably made a proverbial shit ton of money from it. How does that make them not good businessmen? Because they sold to the audience they have before they even ran the show, they then didn't do anything but stroke their own ego and put themselves over and as I said before they were more interested in being self indulgent than showing proper hype packages to clue in first time viewers instead choosing insider references to their YT stuff and allowing themselves to run over time to the benefit of nobody instead of running a tight professional ship. They also didn't build it up themselves, that does a disservice to every promoter who's ever helped showcase them or their brand. They're marks for themselves, they're not businessmen. Absolutely no offense intended, but a bunch of guys took a niche product that they built up themselves, and sold 10,000 tickets, meet and greets, and ppv buys to the audience they have, and probably made a proverbial shit ton of money from it. How does that make them not good businessmen? Because the OP you quoted doesn’t like the Jacksons or Cody (or, if Inhad to guess Kenny, Ibushi, Scurll, etc) and therefore they aren’t good at anything up to and including business even though the numbers and facts would prove that wrong. But that’s just my guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Erm...okay?
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Post by fw91 on Sept 2, 2018 23:21:44 GMT -5
As good of talent as they were, Owen Hart and Eddie Guerrero’s placements by many on the “all time great” or favorites lists is probably largely influenced by their tragic, untimely deaths while they were on the active roster.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Sept 2, 2018 23:46:55 GMT -5
He wants them young and disposable if need be, with Yes Men guiding them to write what will make Vince relatively happy. Prichard recently admitted by accident that they start just being flunkies, a writer’s assistant basically is codeword for carrying water and doing errands, which serious writer wants to work on that shithole? Well, they don't want another Russo, and I mean that in the sense of a writer given greater power over the product, and then dipping off to the competition.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 2, 2018 23:51:45 GMT -5
The worst thing to happen to modern wrestling is the wrestlers themselves started to give a shit what Dave Meltzer thinks.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Sept 3, 2018 0:10:06 GMT -5
The worst thing to happen to modern wrestling is the wrestlers themselves started to give a shit what Dave Meltzer thinks. Yep. He’s a unfortunate kingmaker and highlighted shitty wrestling styles.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 3, 2018 0:25:15 GMT -5
Prichard recently admitted by accident that they start just being flunkies, a writer’s assistant basically is codeword for carrying water and doing errands, which serious writer wants to work on that shithole? Well, they don't want another Russo, and I mean that in the sense of a writer given greater power over the product, and then dipping off to the competition. Ding ding ding. Ironically enough Brian Gewirtz was hired to help Russo, but once he left, McMahon felt so betrayed that he never wanted to give another writer that much power.
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Post by Larryhausen on Sept 3, 2018 0:41:21 GMT -5
Absolutely no offense intended, but a bunch of guys took a niche product that they built up themselves, and sold 10,000 tickets, meet and greets, and ppv buys to the audience they have, and probably made a proverbial shit ton of money from it. How does that make them not good businessmen? Because they sold to the audience they have before they even ran the show, they then didn't do anything but stroke their own ego and put themselves over and as I said before they were more interested in being self indulgent than showing proper hype packages to clue in first time viewers instead choosing insider references to their YT stuff and allowing themselves to run over time to the benefit of nobody instead of running a tight professional ship. They also didn't build it up themselves, that does a disservice to every promoter who's ever helped showcase them or their brand. They're marks for themselves, they're not businessmen. Because the OP you quoted doesn’t like the Jacksons or Cody (or, if Inhad to guess Kenny, Ibushi, Scurll, etc) and therefore they aren’t good at anything up to and including business even though the numbers and facts would prove that wrong. But that’s just my guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Erm...okay? Again, not trying to shit on your opinion, but the entire point of the show was "can we do this? Yes, we're f***ing doing this." It wasn't meant to build towards anything but the show itself. And they accomplished every goal they set for themselves, and it paid off royally. That is the very definition of good business. And if they choose to do more than that, they have a motherf***er of a jumping off point. They did GREAT business. Everything else you said was totally valid.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 3, 2018 4:31:41 GMT -5
Konnan's contribution to the evolution of North American wrestling is hugely underrated. He helped a lot of great talent get their foot in the door at a major promotion and their style helped influence a generation of future stars.
I cringe whenever I see the word midcarder used to dismiss talents contributions or opinions on wrestling matters. Not everyone should main event, you can have a fantastic cares without a world title, look at Curt Hennig, The Big Bossman, The Rock and Roll Express and so on. A good wrestling show is packed from top to bottom with over guys and able workers, you can't stick them all at the top without devaluing the title, the main event and hollowing out the rest of the card. Just look at the 00's WWE.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 3, 2018 4:38:38 GMT -5
Dusty Rhodes is the most overrated wrestler of all time. He also killed Jim Crockett Promotions by booking himself as the top star.
He’s also not a genius. He created the Lockdown ppv effectively killing the cage gimmick in tna, his stint as booker is one of the lowlights in the company. The shows consisted of Dusty hanging out in his shit pick up truck in the parking lot.
Another unpopular opinion, Vince deserved to get his ass kicked by Nailz and I’m surprised that it never happened more often.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 3, 2018 4:51:28 GMT -5
Doesn't appear that sacrilegious now with everyone else1 talking about All In, but my major feeling (aside from apathy/dislike of 95% of the talent) is that the Bucks/Cody are in a bubble that will inevitably burst and I think this with no obvious follow up will lead to that happening more quickly. Where do they go from here? Surely they go.... All Out! Followed by All Shake It All About.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 3, 2018 5:37:23 GMT -5
I despise nearly everything I've seen from Stone Cold Steve Austin. His antics. His look (daisy dukes, vest, and a chain?). His promos. Everything. He was a huge part of why I ignored wrestling for as long as I did as a kid. Even today whenever they do flashbacks like beating up McMahon in a hospital or the store brawl I roll my eyes at how terrible it is to me. Funny enough, I don't mind when he shows up nowadays. But his old stuff is so bad to me. I never really got face Austin back in his day. I loved Paranoid Heel Austin, though.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 3, 2018 6:51:15 GMT -5
The Marty Scurll “finger break” spot is the dumbest spot in wrestling. Worse than any of the showoff moves like the peoples elbow or the 5 knuckle shuffle.
It takes forever and has literally no impact on the match itself. The opponents get over their finger being broken immediately. It’s dumb.
Scurll kinda sucks all around. Open mouth smiling isn’t a character.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 3, 2018 7:04:08 GMT -5
The Marty Scurll “finger break” spot is the dumbest spot in wrestling. Worse than any of the showoff moves like the peoples elbow or the 5 knuckle shuffle. It takes forever and has literally no impact on the match itself. The opponents get over their finger being broken immediately. It’s dumb. Scurll kinda sucks all around. Open mouth smiling isn’t a character. It's there to make a cool sound, that's it. Same as Big Show shushing the crowd before a massive chop. It's just a bit of fun for the audience.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 3, 2018 7:07:18 GMT -5
The Marty Scurll “finger break” spot is the dumbest spot in wrestling. Worse than any of the showoff moves like the peoples elbow or the 5 knuckle shuffle. It takes forever and has literally no impact on the match itself. The opponents get over their finger being broken immediately. It’s dumb. Scurll kinda sucks all around. Open mouth smiling isn’t a character. It would work if they f***ing sold it for more than a second!! I hate god damn spot monkeys video game wrestlers that don’t sell shit.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 3, 2018 7:08:18 GMT -5
The Marty Scurll “finger break” spot is the dumbest spot in wrestling. Worse than any of the showoff moves like the peoples elbow or the 5 knuckle shuffle. It takes forever and has literally no impact on the match itself. The opponents get over their finger being broken immediately. It’s dumb. Scurll kinda sucks all around. Open mouth smiling isn’t a character. It's there to make a cool sound, that's it. Same as Big Show shushing the crowd before a massive chop. It's just a bit of fun for the audience. Difference is that they actually sell Big Show’s chop. The finger break is just stupid.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 3, 2018 7:13:47 GMT -5
I suspect we're heading into the Infallible era of the WWE, where 'billion dollar TV deal' is brought up to dismiss all fan complaints, by people within wrestling and the fandom itself. We're going to keep hearing it no matter how viewing figures, merch sales and live gates decline.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 3, 2018 7:15:29 GMT -5
I suspect we're heading into the Infallible era of the WWE, where 'billion dollar TV deal' is brought up to dismiss all fan complaints, by people within wrestling and the fandom itself. We're going to keep hearing it no matter how viewing figures, merch sales and live gates decline. Unfortunately since it’s the only game in town, the quality won’t improve despite business declining.
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Post by abjordans on Sept 3, 2018 7:27:15 GMT -5
Kenny Omega would never be a top guy in any other era than the present.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 3, 2018 8:18:29 GMT -5
This thread is cathartic. We need one like this every year.
Velveteen Dream will be the next great champion and will get mainstream attention.
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