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Post by WIENERS=$$$ on Oct 3, 2018 21:54:11 GMT -5
Robert Kirkman I feel accidentally spites his audience at times. He kills characters people love because it makes the gravity of the deaths meaningful rather than just something the readers get over by the next issue. But starting with Abraham in TWD, the characters chosen for the chopping block have felt pretty spiteful at times. I am a big "on again/off again" fan of his work, and I explain Kirkman to people interested in TWD or Invincible, as an author who hates his characters. I don't feel he kills off fan-favorites out of spite, but out of boredom. Granted issue #100 of TWD came as a bit of a slap in the face, and coincidentally made me stop reading (for awhile), I feel as a creator he has to destroy to create. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 3, 2018 21:57:37 GMT -5
Robert Kirkman I feel accidentally spites his audience at times. He kills characters people love because it makes the gravity of the deaths meaningful rather than just something the readers get over by the next issue. But starting with Abraham in TWD, the characters chosen for the chopping block have felt pretty spiteful at times. I am a big "on again/off again" fan of his work, and I explain Kirkman to people interested in TWD or Invincible, as an author who hates his characters. I don't feel he kills off fan-favorites out of spite, but out of boredom. Granted issue #100 of TWD came as a bit of a slap in the face, and coincidentally made me stop reading (for awhile), I feel as a creator he has to destroy to create. That's true as well. He actually shocked me last year when he openly admitted that he regretted killing {Spoiler}Ezekiel. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 3, 2018 21:58:54 GMT -5
I raise One More Day with Sins Past to be fair they kinda bury Sins Past... to the point they wont even bring it up to retcon it out of existence. One More Day had One Day More! and other attempts at "fixing it" |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 3, 2018 22:09:07 GMT -5
I am a big "on again/off again" fan of his work, and I explain Kirkman to people interested in TWD or Invincible, as an author who hates his characters. I don't feel he kills off fan-favorites out of spite, but out of boredom. Granted issue #100 of TWD came as a bit of a slap in the face, and coincidentally made me stop reading (for awhile), I feel as a creator he has to destroy to create. That's true as well. He actually shocked me last year when he openly admitted that he regretted killing {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Ezekiel. He somewhat regretted Andrea as well even tho he said he agonized with it for a while
You can count the TV show as well with some their decisions in killing Andrea in the early seasons and Carl last year just because they can do so
But yeah {Spoiler} Zeke is one on records where he says he regrets that and you can see that was purely for shock factor
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Oct 6, 2018 2:29:19 GMT -5
From a certain interpretation, The End of Evangelion. Basically made so Hideaki Anno could respond to the avalanche of criticism, as well as outright death threats, toward the weird and fraying-plot-thread-filled ending of the Neon Genesis Evangelion series with a film that basically amounted to him saying “Fine! You wanted a f***ing ending!? Here’s your f***ing ending!!!!” And I say this as someone who loves End of Evangelion. Also its alleged that Anno wasn't too found of fans who perved over both Asuka and Rei. Which has lead to the theory that the Shinji masturbating over a comatose Asuka scene was his way of saying f*** you to them. |
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Post by Jokaine on Oct 6, 2018 10:48:22 GMT -5
Robert Kirkman I feel accidentally spites his audience at times. He kills characters people love because it makes the gravity of the deaths meaningful rather than just something the readers get over by the next issue. But starting with Abraham in TWD, the characters chosen for the chopping block have felt pretty spiteful at times. While I respect your point, I feel this is a perfect indication of how rare it is for creators to create with the intention off pissing off their fans. You're of the opinion that Kirkman kills off meaningful characters, at least in part, to spite fans. By the same end, I specifically remember internet commentary in which comic fans called Brad Meltzer a piece of shit, a coward and a bully (I never quite understood the last one) for the raping and murdering of Sue Dibney in Identity Crisis. They said if he wanted to run that storyline he should have used Wonder Woman or somebody meaningful as opposed to a throwaway character like Sue. Paraphrasing here but the adjectives are direct. Basically, I write this to Express that more often than not, creators just tell the stories they want to tell with an audience of one in mind: Themselves. |
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Post by Jokaine on Oct 6, 2018 10:59:37 GMT -5
Batman after Knightfall and having Azrael become Batman. The editor constantly mocked the fans’ letters who hated the new direction. I think there is a difference between doing something for spite and having a terrible idea and rolling with it. Azrael as Batman was a disaster from the jump but I think people sat around a table, started bouncing ideas and the next thing you know, this seemed like a good idea. As far as the editor or writer goes, I don't blame them for being critical of fans shitting on their ideas. Who likes to check their email (or letter bag back then) and get bashed every morning. I understand the urge to be diplomatic when dealing with a character like Batman that essentially belongs to the public, but it should be perfectly understandable and acceptable for a creator to fire back in other instances. I use to get just as much enjoyment from reading Todd Mcfarlane's responses in the Spawn letters page as I did from the book itself. Even then, as a kid, I thought he had every reason in the world to tell those people to f--k off. |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 6, 2018 14:24:58 GMT -5
Robert Kirkman I feel accidentally spites his audience at times. He kills characters people love because it makes the gravity of the deaths meaningful rather than just something the readers get over by the next issue. But starting with Abraham in TWD, the characters chosen for the chopping block have felt pretty spiteful at times. While I respect your point, I feel this is a perfect indication of how rare it is for creators to create with the intention off pissing off their fans. You're of the opinion that Kirkman kills off meaningful characters, at least in part, to spite fans. By the same end, I specifically remember internet commentary in which comic fans called Brad Meltzer a piece of shit, a coward and a bully (I never quite understood the last one) for the raping and murdering of Sue Dibney in Identity Crisis. They said if he wanted to run that storyline he should have used Wonder Woman or somebody meaningful as opposed to a throwaway character like Sue. Paraphrasing here but the adjectives are direct. Basically, I write this to Express that more often than not, creators just tell the stories they want to tell with an audience of one in mind: Themselves. That's exactly why I used the word "accidentally". He kills characters people love in horrible ways, but he's not doing it maliciously. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Oct 6, 2018 15:17:03 GMT -5
I raise One More Day with Sins Past I don't think that was an attempt to spite fans, it was just a horrible story. |
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Post by adamclark52 on Oct 7, 2018 1:17:19 GMT -5
This topic belongs in the WWE section
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Oct 7, 2018 11:51:30 GMT -5
This far without mentioning One More Day? As a vocal hater of "One More Day", I don't necessarily think the story itself is spiteful on Quesada's part. The fact that it's affected canon for 11 years at this point, despite it being almost unanimously hated? That is definitely spite. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Oct 7, 2018 12:03:26 GMT -5
The Simpsons made a crack on an episode last year that was a clear "f*** you" to the growing number of people calling for Apu to be removed from the show.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Oct 7, 2018 16:01:18 GMT -5
The Simpsons made a crack on an episode last year that was a clear "f*** you" to the growing number of people calling for Apu to be removed from the show. I haven’t watched the show in forever, but well before the controversy I felt like Apu had been developed into a genuine 3 dimensional character who’s personality went well beyond “he’s Hindi and has a convenience store!” While the starting point may not have been great, it changed with the times. I don’t really see the problem. |
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Post by chrom on Oct 7, 2018 16:05:19 GMT -5
The Simpsons made a crack on an episode last year that was a clear "f*** you" to the growing number of people calling for Apu to be removed from the show. I haven’t watched the show in forever, but well before the controversy I felt like Apu had been developed into a genuine 3 dimensional character who’s personality went well beyond “he’s Hindi and has a convenience store!” While the starting point may not have been great, it changed with the times. I don’t really see the problem. Personally I found the kid on the Disney Channel shows to be a bigger India stereotype than Apu is. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 18:29:44 GMT -5
More deceit than spite but the creators of Lost assured the fans when it got popular that they had an end game, all the weirdness, connections and mysteries would be explained and it would all make sense in the end.
It was around season 3 when this became evident that the writers room had been one long meltdown of "what the hell do we do about this?" the whole time.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Oct 7, 2018 18:53:15 GMT -5
The Simpsons made a crack on an episode last year that was a clear "f*** you" to the growing number of people calling for Apu to be removed from the show. I haven’t watched the show in forever, but well before the controversy I felt like Apu had been developed into a genuine 3 dimensional character who’s personality went well beyond “he’s Hindi and has a convenience store!” While the starting point may not have been great, it changed with the times. I don’t really see the problem. It's a white guy doing a stereotypical Indian accent. Even Hank Azaria has said he gets it and doesn't mind retiring the character at all but Al Jean and Matt Groening are dug in fast. |
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 7, 2018 21:03:15 GMT -5
Highlander: The Source...…….
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 7, 2018 21:06:27 GMT -5
Highlander: The Source...……. Yeah... not sure if it was meant to be... it absolutely looked like they went through like literally everything associated with Highlander and made sure to ruin it  |
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Post by Shark on Oct 7, 2018 21:22:21 GMT -5
Stephanie Meyer basically sabotaged Jacob Black after the second book when he became a little too popular. He suddenly becomes an asshole in book three. Then rounding off his story arc by having him "imprint" on an infant. All because some of her audience said "Hey, that other one isn't a 100+ year old, emotionally distant stalker. He seems like a pleasant alternative." That really came through in the movies too. Jacob in the second movie actually came off like a 3 dimensional character and from the 3rd movie on, he was a possessive asshole who fell in love with a baby and his last line was asking Edward if he should start calling him 'dad'. |
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Post by bob on Oct 7, 2018 21:45:36 GMT -5
Did anyone mention WWE and George Lucas yet?
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