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Post by Kalmia on Jun 13, 2023 15:39:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure what baffles me more on Dark Knight Rises, its complete failure to understand how money works or how the whole prison subplot only makes sense if Gotham has a desert wasteland district. What baffles me is someone edited that movie, heard the final version of Bane's voice, and was like "yeah this is totally acceptable." They probably heard the original version and thought that at least the movie version was understandable. |
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Post by Renslayer on Jun 13, 2023 15:57:22 GMT -5
There's a video going around of the two Flashes and Supergirl facing off with Zod and the Kryptionians. I'm pretty sure it's an official release, but I haven't followed the marketing closely enough to know for sure. Anyway, the CGI and everything about the scene looks awful. It's like a PS3 cut scene. It looks so much worse than similar scenes in Man of Steel, despite Man of Steel being 10 years older. I hate comparing movies like this, but as so much of the scene is directly based on Man of Steel, I think it's fair in this case. And I'm not holding up Man of Steel as an example of exemplary movie-making and effects either, but it makes The Flash look like a CW show. I know marvel grinds the folks who do their CGI to dust by overworking them, does DC/WB do the same? |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 13, 2023 16:03:20 GMT -5
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 13, 2023 16:27:26 GMT -5
Yeah, it does seem like it's become especially worse in recent years compared to where the industry was 10 years ago when MOS came out. They've had a ridiculous amount of additional time to get The Flash ready and have spent stupid amounts of money on it. DC/WBD really have no excuses for something looking so awful and skimping on time and money on the CGI for The Flash. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 13, 2023 16:35:16 GMT -5
I imagine the reason Flash looks so awful is because they recut this movie 87 times trying desperately to find a formula to make it a hit.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 13, 2023 17:04:11 GMT -5
They've had a ridiculous amount of additional time to get The Flash ready That's the thing, the effects houses really haven't. Rather than use the time caused by the numerous delays to polish the movie to a gleaming finish the studio has been test screening it to death, chopping and changing major sequences based on the feedback. Most of the action sequences weren't even finalised until a few months ago. |
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 13, 2023 18:17:43 GMT -5
They've had a ridiculous amount of additional time to get The Flash ready That's the thing, the effects houses really haven't. Rather than use the time caused by the numerous delays to polish the movie to a gleaming finish the studio has been test screening it to death, chopping and changing major sequences based on the feedback. Most of the action sequences weren't even finalised until a few months ago. Which was WB and DC's choice. They could have given the CGI artists all the time they needed. That they kept messing with the final cut of the movie doesn't negate my point that they had the time, they just didn't use it right. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 13, 2023 19:11:59 GMT -5
Which was WB and DC's choice. They could have given the CGI artists all the time they needed. That they kept messing with the final cut of the movie doesn't negate my point that they had the time, they just didn't use it right. Sure, it's WB/DC's fault, but it's the effects houses that'll end up taking the blowback, critically and (more importantly) financially. The bigger ones that worked on the movie, like Wētā FX, will survive losing out on money owed if the movie bombs, but the smaller ones are always at risk of folding after a big blockbuster tanks. |
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Post by thechase on Jun 14, 2023 4:58:06 GMT -5
Caught the last three minutes that were leaked to Youtube, couldn't help but dwell on this... {Spoiler}Snyder sampled the soundtrack from Batman and Robin for his Watchmen trailers and now the last word on his universe is that it becomes Batman and Robin |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 14, 2023 17:00:11 GMT -5
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Post by thechase on Jun 15, 2023 11:25:03 GMT -5
I saw the movie. It was fair, fun, but is it essential peak cinema? Nope, it's something you'd air on Kids WB back in the day {Spoiler}I really enjoyed those opening scenes with Affleck and Gadot, but that CG baby rescue needs to go. It was a scene you'd expect out of Deadpool
Pun fully intended, but this film just 'sped' through every major moment too, Michael Keaton randomly does his best to randomly explain the time travel with food analogies, isn't crystal clear why he won't help them, then changes his mind and ditches the Billy Connolly look just like that and dons the suit. He gets a big huge action scene in Siberia, but after that he just kind of winds down and the acting is peak 'cheque please' from him the whole time. You could say that about a lot of other performances also.
Supergirl? Oh man A lot of her scenes once she's healthy is just exposition, reading details about her character off a casting sheet than really giving in an impactful, emotionally driven performance. She's likeable enough, she has a presence, but she feels so unessential outside of helping Older Barry get his powers back.
And about Barry and the differences I did appreciate Ezra managing to sort of approach the roles uniquely, he's a total clutz at the start of the film, but suddenly comes into his own with the mentorship of Young Barry, and it was satisfying that it did come through for him when young Barry sacrifices himself at the end |
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Post by Renslayer on Jun 15, 2023 16:30:55 GMT -5
That's the thing, the effects houses really haven't. Rather than use the time caused by the numerous delays to polish the movie to a gleaming finish the studio has been test screening it to death, chopping and changing major sequences based on the feedback. Most of the action sequences weren't even finalised until a few months ago. Which was WB and DC's choice. They could have given the CGI artists all the time they needed. That they kept messing with the final cut of the movie doesn't negate my point that they had the time, they just didn't use it right. To the CGI point... |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 15, 2023 16:43:35 GMT -5
Sure, Andy. Sure.  |
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 15, 2023 16:44:40 GMT -5
Which was WB and DC's choice. They could have given the CGI artists all the time they needed. That they kept messing with the final cut of the movie doesn't negate my point that they had the time, they just didn't use it right. To the CGI point... If by distorted, he means make people look like they're in a PS3 cut scene, then mission accomplished, I guess? I know some of the scenes are not from the regular world/dimension/whatever term they use in the movie to explain it, but people can still look like actual breathing people underneath the distortion. |
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Post by ayumidah on Jun 15, 2023 18:20:47 GMT -5
So um I don't know if the audio levels were part of the perspectives or what, but man oh man, it was BAD in the viewing I just came home from. My ears are still kind of recovering. Sometimes dialogue was too low, sometimes the audio kept popping the mics.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 15, 2023 19:58:16 GMT -5
Which was WB and DC's choice. They could have given the CGI artists all the time they needed. That they kept messing with the final cut of the movie doesn't negate my point that they had the time, they just didn't use it right. To the CGI point... Andy, telling us the visuals are intentionally shit is not the saving throw you think it is. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jun 15, 2023 20:12:41 GMT -5
Pretty sure I’m gonna go see this tomorrow, although I am kinda on the fence about it now. This could end up on digital quick
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Post by mo on Jun 15, 2023 20:18:15 GMT -5
Saw it and I suppose I’ll give my thoughts on it {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Most of what I liked was the Batman stuff,
Keaton was great, my favorite part of the movie easily. Watching him do his thing with the Elfman score playing had me smiling.
The Clooney cameo got a good laugh out of me. Didn’t think he’d ever want to be involved with that kind of stuff again so good on him for being a good sport about it. Affleck’s scene was fun as well.
Actually kind of liked the trip down DC memory lane, not sure what the general consensus on it is but I thought it was neat. Wonder if Nicolas Cage, Adam West, and the two Reeves got acting credits?
Barry Allen was annoying as hell, the goofy act wore thin very quickly.
Supergirl was okay, didn’t expect them to job her out so quickly but oh well!
The villains were whatever. Zod was barely there and they brought back Faora, who many saw as a highlight of MoS and just had her stand around and have no lines. Dark Flash felt like they realized they needed a Flash-centric character so they threw him in there. They all felt pretty tacked on.
Then there’s the big CGI complaints, and yup, it’s some of the worst CGI I’ve ever seen in movies. From what I’ve seen most of the complaints are about the time travel sections, but it was the beginning with the babies when I knew the movie was gonna look rough.
Didn’t stick around for the post credit scene.
I didn’t hate this movie as much as it may sound like, it had its moments and it had its flaws. If this is the end of the Snyderverse then good riddance, hopefully Gunn can do something good with it. |
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Post by agent817 on Jun 16, 2023 9:03:19 GMT -5
I saw it last night. I enjoyed it. While I do agree with some of you on the visual effects, I can't say I didn't have fun with it. Although I think it could have been better had it not been a plot about multiverses and paradoxes. Now that I think about it, I do want to watch "The Flashpoint Paradox" again. It has been years since I last watched it.
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Post by salz4life on Jun 16, 2023 10:35:18 GMT -5
Pretty sure I’m gonna go see this tomorrow, although I am kinda on the fence about it now. This could end up on digital quick I've decided I'm not going to not see it in the theater as a protest of Ezra Miller.... but then I preordered the steelbook at Best Buy so... I guess I cancelled the protest out. |
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