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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 17, 2023 10:18:25 GMT -5
I feel cheated. A movie called The Flash and not one pair of exposed breasts.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 17, 2023 11:02:22 GMT -5
I feel cheated. A movie called The Flash and not one pair of exposed breasts. Ezra Miller is one big boob if that helps. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 17, 2023 13:02:07 GMT -5
$55 million would be a truly dire opening weekend for this thing. It was tracking at $70 to $80 million and even that would’ve been well below what it needs to be successful.
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 17, 2023 13:12:42 GMT -5
Black Adam, widely seen as a disaster that really did change the hierarchy of DC movies (just not in the way the Rock predicted) did $67 million in its opening weekend.
The Flash has two advertised Batmen, was given a Superbowl spot, and has been talked up as the best superhero movie ever by everyone including Tom Cruise, and is tracking for around the same/less.
Oof.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 17, 2023 13:16:21 GMT -5
I wonder if that many people are put off by Ezra Miller and their crimes or if people don't see this film as worth watching because of the upcoming reboot of the entire DCU under the stewardship of Gunn and Safran. Or just all the baggage of the DCEU.
Or maybe people want a Flash movie that's actually about the Flash and not Batman and cynical fanservice.
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Post by Kalmia on Jun 17, 2023 13:25:45 GMT -5
I wonder if that many people are put off by Ezra Miller and their crimes or if people don't see this film as worth watching because of the upcoming reboot of the entire DCU under the stewardship of Gunn and Safran. Or just all the baggage of the DCEU. Or maybe people want a Flash movie that's actually about the Flash and not Batman and cynical fanservice.
Honestly, I think it's everything. The movie has done a great job of alienating several different groups of people at once. I doubt there's one universal reason but different reasons for different people. |
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jun 17, 2023 13:35:25 GMT -5
Sure, Andy. Sure.  wait... Lister was in charge of the cgi? that explains the complaints. Kryten has better experience with that sort of thing (he put a fully working tank into a pride and prejudice world.) |
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Post by dirtyoldman on Jun 17, 2023 13:55:33 GMT -5
So hopefully it will appear on Amazon prime/Netflix soon enough so I can watch it from the comfort of home
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 17, 2023 14:01:09 GMT -5
This movie feels very death by a thousand cuts to me. Ezra being a weird-skate-running disaster, their depiction of the character not being well-received to begin with, the shadow cast over it by the fact everything's being rebooted anyway, the general shaky at best quality of DC movies, the marketing campaign doing everything it can to focus on everything but the titular character, Spider-Verse and Transformers being stiff competition, the desperation to let you know that it's THE BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVERRRRRR that feels like they're practically begging people to see it... I don't think you can point at any one thing.
I do feel like there is also probably some superhero fatigue going on. It's certainly not universal - hell, Spider-Verse is doing excellently right now - but I do think that audiences are drifting toward being more choosy toward them and oversaturation is leading to diminishing returns for the ones that aren't as giant of hits. It probably doesn't help that this is the third DC movie in the span of eight months and the previous two both also flopped, which likely doesn't bode well for Blue Beetle.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 17, 2023 14:54:05 GMT -5
I do feel like there is also probably some superhero fatigue going on. It's certainly not universal - hell, Spider-Verse is doing excellently right now - but I do think that audiences are drifting toward being more choosy toward them and oversaturation is leading to diminishing returns for the ones that aren't as giant of hits. We're definitely seeing a situation where mid-tier quality and lower movies are being rejected by audiences. Marvel are going to have to work real hard to maintain the level of success they've been used to. DC? I think it's going to be a long, hard road. That's a damaged brand if ever there was one. |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 17, 2023 15:19:11 GMT -5
This movie feels very death by a thousand cuts to me. Ezra being a weird-skate-running disaster, their depiction of the character not being well-received to begin with, the shadow cast over it by the fact everything's being rebooted anyway, the general shaky at best quality of DC movies, the marketing campaign doing everything it can to focus on everything but the titular character, Spider-Verse and Transformers being stiff competition, the desperation to let you know that it's THE BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVERRRRRR that feels like they're practically begging people to see it... I don't think you can point at any one thing. I do feel like there is also probably some superhero fatigue going on. It's certainly not universal - hell, Spider-Verse is doing excellently right now - but I do think that audiences are drifting toward being more choosy toward them and oversaturation is leading to diminishing returns for the ones that aren't as giant of hits. It probably doesn't help that this is the third DC movie in the span of eight months and the previous two both also flopped, which likely doesn't bode well for Blue Beetle. I think there are two things that might save Blue Beetle; 1) James Gunn emphasized that this would be part of the canon of the new DCU, and 2) the reception to the first Blue Beetle trailer was overall really positive, while the receptions to the trailers for Black Adam, Shazam, and The Flash ranged from “meh” to “oh this looks awful”. Another factor in why The Flash is underperforming that we can’t ignore was the massive backlash WBD got for writing off Batgirl, which was freaking completed, while keeping this film around. The optics of forever shelving a superhero film led by a Black woman in favor of keeping around a film with at the time a very publicly troublemaking white person did not sit well with many people. Not to mention doing this also pissed off all the Brendan Fraser fans who were looking forward to another entry in his comeback story. That one move made The Flash movie so many enemies. |
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 17, 2023 15:19:27 GMT -5
I do feel like there is also probably some superhero fatigue going on. It's certainly not universal - hell, Spider-Verse is doing excellently right now - but I do think that audiences are drifting toward being more choosy toward them and oversaturation is leading to diminishing returns for the ones that aren't as giant of hits. We're definitely seeing a situation where mid-tier quality and lower movies are being rejected by audiences. Marvel are going to have to work real hard to maintain the level of success they've been used to. DC? I think it's going to be a long, hard road. That's a damaged brand if ever there was one. DC and Warner better hope Blue Beetle in August turns out to be a hit for them and doesn’t get tainted by the mid-tier movies that came before it this year. The reactions to BB’s trailer have been largely positive, so that’s an encouraging sign. |
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Post by The Spelunker! on Jun 17, 2023 16:42:46 GMT -5
This movie feels very death by a thousand cuts to me. Ezra being a weird-skate-running disaster, their depiction of the character not being well-received to begin with, the shadow cast over it by the fact everything's being rebooted anyway, the general shaky at best quality of DC movies, the marketing campaign doing everything it can to focus on everything but the titular character, Spider-Verse and Transformers being stiff competition, the desperation to let you know that it's THE BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVERRRRRR that feels like they're practically begging people to see it... I don't think you can point at any one thing. I do feel like there is also probably some superhero fatigue going on. It's certainly not universal - hell, Spider-Verse is doing excellently right now - but I do think that audiences are drifting toward being more choosy toward them and oversaturation is leading to diminishing returns for the ones that aren't as giant of hits. It probably doesn't help that this is the third DC movie in the span of eight months and the previous two both also flopped, which likely doesn't bode well for Blue Beetle. I think there are two things that might save Blue Beetle; 1) James Gunn emphasized that this would be part of the canon of the new DCU, and 2) the reception to the first Blue Beetle trailer was overall really positive, while the receptions to the trailers for Black Adam, Shazam, and The Flash ranged from “meh” to “oh this looks awful”. Another factor in why The Flash is underperforming that we can’t ignore was the massive backlash WBD got for writing off Batgirl, which was freaking completed, while keeping this film around. The optics of forever shelving a superhero film led by a Black woman in favor of keeping around a film with at the time a very publicly troublemaking white person did not sit well with many people. Not to mention doing this also pissed off all the Brendan Fraser fans who were looking forward to another entry in his comeback story. That one move made The Flash movie so many enemies. I honestly think you’re way overestimating that. Most normal people don’t even know that movie was being made let alone any details. |
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 17, 2023 16:57:57 GMT -5
on a sidenote {Spoiler}I get not having the Rogues in the movie for fear of them seeming "too small" to be a movie-level threat, but having the one villain who's shtick is literally "The Flash, but evil" not be in it is kinda weak. |
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jun 17, 2023 17:03:59 GMT -5
on a sidenote {Spoiler}{Spoiler}I get not having the Rogues in the movie for fear of them seeming "too small" to be a movie-level threat, but having the one villain who's shtick is literally "The Flash, but evil" not be in it is kinda weak. {Spoiler}At the same time in the wake of Across the Spider-Verse, fearing how seriously villains can be taken is honestly going to be a silly excuse not to use them, imo. Mirror Master for example actually has some absolutely terrifying nigh-cosmic horror potential with his abilities. What I love about the Rogues is they reveal who is and isn’t a good or at least creative writer because an unskilled writer will just go, “Oh Mirror Master can go through mirrors, and Captain Cold can freeze things, look how lame they are!” while a capable writer will realize how broken most of the Rogues are. They have to be to keep up with the Flash, quite possibly the most broken hero(es) on DC’s roster. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2023 17:05:18 GMT -5
This and Rise of the beasts have this same odd conumdrum going on.
Where the main focus pretty much drags down the film...but then when they bring in the characters that do not get nearly enough screentime the movie kicks into being so much better but unfortunately the focus does not heavly shift instead staying with what dragged the movie down in the first place.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 17, 2023 17:56:55 GMT -5
So not seeing the movie and only seeing articles and a couple of images… {Spoiler}It’s astoundingly weird to me that the CWverse, the streaming exclusive Titans show and even Teen Titans Go respected the concept of the wider DC multiverse and throwing back to it than this movie did and this one had the budget to basically be that stuff but better.
Heck, Chip Zdarsky respected Keaton Batman’s legacy in a couple
Of pages of one issue of a comic than this movie and he’s likely being paid less than any big wig that was responsible for telling the Director and writer to include these things. |
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Jun 17, 2023 18:09:29 GMT -5
I enjoyed it. But I’m easy to please.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2023 18:14:01 GMT -5
The current state of DC movies could never.  |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 17, 2023 19:01:28 GMT -5
$55 million would be a truly dire opening weekend for this thing. It was tracking at $70 to $80 million and even that would’ve been well below what it needs to be successful. Yeah, I was just reading that it is projected to not surpass $70M which is not good for them |
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